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#13821 CK16

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Posted 24 June 2016 - 10:42 PM

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So....I want the Fire Moth now.....That thing could be a nasty mech for sure....Can you imagine Locust but with ability to bring almost any meta weapon! O.o

I will do the Fire Falcon Spread sheet, could use some art work....And some who has some time (kinda busy with helping a friend on her WoT blog atm...) to type a post for the "Fire Flight" package! PLEASE Posted Image

Edited by CK16, 24 June 2016 - 10:55 PM.


#13822 Pariah Devalis

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Posted 25 June 2016 - 03:28 AM

View PostCK16, on 24 June 2016 - 10:42 PM, said:

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So....I want the Fire Moth now.....That thing could be a nasty mech for sure....Can you imagine Locust but with ability to bring almost any meta weapon! O.o

I will do the Fire Falcon Spread sheet, could use some art work....And some who has some time (kinda busy with helping a friend on her WoT blog atm...) to type a post for the "Fire Flight" package! PLEASE Posted Image


Crit layout of the Fire Moth below:
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Even if it is released without MASC, it would be a fun mech to have. Could use the free tonnage, too, since it comes with only 2 out of 4 tons of armor.

Meanwhile, the Fire Falcon:

From Shimmering Sword. http://shimmering-sw...alcon-334164588
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Due to volumetric scaling, and being so torso chunky, I would expect it to be a tiny looking 25 ton mech, too!

Crit Layout:
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Comes 1 ton shy of max armor.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 25 June 2016 - 04:00 AM.


#13823 TheArisen

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Posted 25 June 2016 - 04:16 AM

View PostCK16, on 24 June 2016 - 10:42 PM, said:

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So....I want the Fire Moth now.....That thing could be a nasty mech for sure....Can you imagine Locust but with ability to bring almost any meta weapon! O.o

I will do the Fire Falcon Spread sheet, could use some art work....And some who has some time (kinda busy with helping a friend on her WoT blog atm...) to type a post for the "Fire Flight" package! PLEASE Posted Image


A combo of the H LA, D RT & B RA would likely be the meta for a 20t mech, 6CSpulse.

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Posted 25 June 2016 - 04:28 AM

View PostTheArisen, on 25 June 2016 - 04:16 AM, said:

A combo of the H LA, D RT & B RA would likely be the meta for a 20t mech, 6CSpulse.


Or just a Pirate's Bane clone with the Prime LA, Bravo RA, and Delta RT, so you can get 4x ERSLas, 2 MG, and an ECM.

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Posted 25 June 2016 - 06:09 AM

View PostPariah Devalis, on 25 June 2016 - 04:28 AM, said:


Or just a Pirate's Bane clone with the Prime LA, Bravo RA, and Delta RT, so you can get 4x ERSLas, 2 MG, and an ECM.


Right, the pods I listed had the ecm B arm.

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Posted 25 June 2016 - 08:02 AM

View PostPariah Devalis, on 25 June 2016 - 04:28 AM, said:

Or just a Pirate's Bane clone with the Prime LA, Bravo RA, and Delta RT, so you can get 4x ERSLas, 2 MG, and an ECM.

And maybe the hero adds some useful LT... hey, just saying...

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Posted 25 June 2016 - 09:18 AM

Someone needs to collect all this stuff, and write a thread spreading the word lol.

Also consider that one of the variants E through K could be made into the 5th and assigned the P varriant. Not sure which one though of them would be worth it. E Seems like a nope with only 1 ATM 6 or something like that.

Edited by CK16, 25 June 2016 - 10:18 AM.


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Posted 25 June 2016 - 10:51 AM

View PostOdanan, on 25 June 2016 - 08:02 AM, said:

And maybe the hero adds some useful LT... hey, just saying...


You and I both know that would cause people to scream pay to win.

#13829 Metus regem

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Posted 25 June 2016 - 11:06 AM

View PostTheArisen, on 25 June 2016 - 10:51 AM, said:


You and I both know that would cause people to scream pay to win.


Like they cried P2W with the Pirate's Bane being ECM capable? At the end of the day, the Fire Moth would still only be 20t, not high enough to get bent out of shape over.

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Posted 25 June 2016 - 12:41 PM

View PostTheArisen, on 25 June 2016 - 10:51 AM, said:

You and I both know that would cause people to scream pay to win.


The Huntsman gets it's 8-missile hardpoint config only via the Hero.

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Posted 25 June 2016 - 12:42 PM

View PostMetus regem, on 25 June 2016 - 11:06 AM, said:

Like they cried P2W with the Pirate's Bane being ECM capable? At the end of the day, the Fire Moth would still only be 20t, not high enough to get bent out of shape over.

Besides, if the "hero" omnipods are sold for MCs, theoretically anyone could buy them without spending a single dime.

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Posted 25 June 2016 - 01:04 PM

View Postwanderer, on 25 June 2016 - 12:41 PM, said:

The Huntsman gets it's 8-missile hardpoint config only via the Hero.

Not to mention the Viper hero arms...

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Posted 26 June 2016 - 07:26 PM

View PostOdanan, on 25 June 2016 - 01:04 PM, said:

Not to mention the Viper hero arms...

Hero's arms + A's side-torsos + C's center-torso = 11 energy hardpoints = FIRE ALL THE ERSLAS!

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Though, I imagine that the FOTM build would likely be "Hero's arms + C's side torsos" for a 6E/4B build, with CT to taste; it yields builds similar to those popular with the Ember, and avoids heat scaling issues (as heat scaling is triggered when 7 of the small or medium Clan energy weapons are used together).

With the Dragonfly's relatively meager pod space (8.5 tons at start)... lots of 6 ERSLas + 4 MG builds running around once the 'Mech is released?

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 08:16 AM

So, for the next mech... will PGI keep the plan and announce the Linebacker or will it surprise us with something different? Maybe a non-omni heavy mech?

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 08:28 AM

View PostOdanan, on 28 June 2016 - 08:16 AM, said:

So, for the next mech... will PGI keep the plan and announce the Linebacker or will it surprise us with something different? Maybe a non-omni heavy mech?


i dont like the weird disk on that rifleman xD Eh we'll have to wait and see. If its any good or appealing to me ill buy it.

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 08:36 AM

View PostLastKhan, on 28 June 2016 - 08:28 AM, said:

i dont like the weird disk on that rifleman xD Eh we'll have to wait and see. If its any good or appealing to me ill buy it.

The variants are pretty solid. And the high mount arms would be refreshing in the Clan stables.

But the problem with the Rifleman IIC is: it has only 2 variants with our current tech. Oh well, probably PGI will save it for after the time jump.

So, Linebacker it is. Did someone post the variants/hardpoints? Any known "hero"?

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 08:48 AM

View PostOdanan, on 28 June 2016 - 08:36 AM, said:

The variants are pretty solid. And the high mount arms would be refreshing in the Clan stables.

But the problem with the Rifleman IIC is: it has only 2 variants with our current tech. Oh well, probably PGI will save it for after the time jump.

So, Linebacker it is. Did someone post the variants/hardpoints? Any known "hero"?



No known hero for the Linebacker in lore...

my guess?


Prime

1E LA
1M LT
1M 1E ST
1E RA


Alpha
1E LA
1M LT
1M 2E RT
1E RA

Bravo
2E LA
1E LT
1B RT
1E RA

Charlie
2E LA
3E LT
2B 1E RT
1B RA

Delta
2M LA
2E LT
1E RT
2M RA



Anything after that runs into a lot of Future tech.... like heavy lasers and other toys....


Looks like the Charlie would be the one to get with Delta to brake up the monotony of energy weapons... but she is hard point and pod space starved in all other variants....

Edited by Metus regem, 28 June 2016 - 08:56 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2016 - 08:51 AM

Not that we need a 4th ClanTech 75-tonner (battlemech, granted), but what about the Black Python:

http://www.sarna.net...k_Python_(Viper)

Seems fun :D


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Posted 28 June 2016 - 08:52 AM

OK, here we go.

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Linebacker.
65 tons heavy omnimech.
Ferro Fibrous, Endo Steel
97.2 kph (104.5 kph with speed tweak)

Prime:

LA 1e
LT 1m
RT 1m, 1e
RA 1e

Alt A:

LA 1e
LT 1m
RT 1m, 1e
RA 1e

Alt B:

LA 2e
LT 1e
RT 1b
RA 1e

Alt C:

LA 2e
LT 3e
RT 2b, 1e
RA 1b

Alt D:

LA 2m
LT 2e
RT 1e
RA 2m

I can see people running it 7 lasers, 6 lasers + 3 SRMs, 6 lasers + 3 MGs or big ballistics + lasers. Because of the huge 390 engine, there is not much weight left for guns (only 16.5, with armor full), but at least there is a lot of room for heat sinks (and locked 14 DHS inside the engine). At least it's fast and will probably have an interesting low profile (and some good torso high-mount hardpoints).

EDIT; dang, ninjaed!

Edited by Odanan, 28 June 2016 - 08:54 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2016 - 08:57 AM

View PostOdanan, on 28 June 2016 - 08:52 AM, said:

OK, here we go.

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Linebacker.
65 tons heavy omnimech.
Ferro Fibrous, Endo Steel
97.2 kph (104.5 kph with speed tweak)

Prime:

LA 1e
LT 1m
RT 1m, 1e
RA 1e

Alt A:

LA 1e
LT 1m
RT 1m, 1e
RA 1e

Alt B:

LA 2e
LT 1e
RT 1b
RA 1e

Alt C:

LA 2e
LT 3e
RT 2b, 1e
RA 1b

Alt D:

LA 2m
LT 2e
RT 1e
RA 2m

I can see people running it 7 lasers, 6 lasers + 3 SRMs, 6 lasers + 3 MGs or big ballistics + lasers. Because of the huge 390 engine, there is not much weight left for guns (only 16.5, with armor full), but at least there is a lot of room for heat sinks (and locked 14 DHS inside the engine). At least it's fast and will probably have an interesting low profile (and some good torso high-mount hardpoints).

EDIT; dang, ninjaed!



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