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[SuperFunkTron]

Odanan, on 25 March 2017 - 08:30 AM, said:

Orion was never mediocre.

I never believed the posts on the forum, but being a dedicated clanner, never had the chance to prove other wise. Thanks for clearing that up .

[Bishop Steiner]

Odanan, on 25 March 2017 - 08:30 AM, said:

Orion was never mediocre.


Avatar was in MW3 and MW4 and Men Shen was never in the spotlight. I tell you, Avatar has great chances to be in this game soon.

Orions were never exactly Meta, either. And did have massive CT issues initially. And still aren't considered a particularly high tier mech today. In part because they are very XL unfrinedly in the current environment. I do look forward to LFEs helping with that, TBH.

[SuperFunkTron]

I like hearing about the meta regularly because it makes beating metamech scores that much sweeter in my mixed builds

I love when someone tells me that there is no place for certain builds in upper tier matches and then end up with a top match score (LRMs are not useless when they are their for closing and supporting allies over their shoulders when they are blocking your line of sight! And mixed builds are grossly under appreciated!)

I really can't wait for the new upgrade system (ST) to come out so people can finally make their favorite mechs work toward their play styles! Sure there will be hardcore meta guys still, but at least the braver players will be able show what the less popular chassis are capable of!

[Odanan]

Bishop Steiner, on 25 March 2017 - 08:53 AM, said:

Orions were never exactly Meta, either. And did have massive CT issues initially. And still aren't considered a particularly high tier mech today. In part because they are very XL unfrinedly in the current environment. I do look forward to LFEs helping with that, TBH.

Yes, they can't use XL, STD with AC/20 + 4 SRM4s = a monster in brawl.

PS: they are great in stock matches too.

[Bishop Steiner]

Odanan, on 25 March 2017 - 10:04 AM, said:

Yes, they can't use XL, STD with AC/20 + 4 SRM4s = a monster in brawl.

PS: they are great in stock matches too.

they were decent in a brawl. TBH, they are only OK in one now. Too many other options just massively outclass, outgun and outrange them. The VA is the only ON1 I still run, and that is half the mech it was a year or so ago. Power has crept since then, quite some bit.

[FLG 01]

Odanan, on 25 March 2017 - 08:30 AM, said:

I tell you, Avatar has great chances to be in this game soon.

I hope not: a 70 ton Mech with fixed XL engine, huge STs that cannot be shielded, and less than 70kph top speed. Sounds like a death trap to me.
Sure, Clanners would love to face it, but I am somewhat less inclined to pilot it.

The IS has no shortage on Mechs which are power and have a rich lore. No need to resort to death traps.

[Metus regem]

Odanan, on 25 March 2017 - 10:04 AM, said:

Yes, they can't use XL, STD with AC/20 + 4 SRM4s = a monster in brawl.

PS: they are great in stock matches too.

Come tech update.... LFE+UAC/20+ASRM/4's = awesome Orion....

[Odanan]

FLG 01, on 26 March 2017 - 02:42 PM, said:

I hope not: a 70 ton Mech with fixed XL engine, huge STs that cannot be shielded, and less than 70kph top speed. Sounds like a death trap to me.
Sure, Clanners would love to face it, but I am somewhat less inclined to pilot it.

The IS has no shortage on Mechs which are power and have a rich lore. No need to resort to death traps.

What other IS heavy mechs do you suggest?

[TheArisen]

Odanan, on 26 March 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

What other IS heavy mechs do you suggest?

I'm glad you asked...

- Dragon Fire
- Toyama
- Falconer
- Onslaught
- Bandersnatch (For MRMS + ECM)
- Anvil (A little on the light end but still solid)

[FLG 01]

Odanan, on 26 March 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

What other IS heavy mechs do you suggest?

Depends on what you ask for.

As far as pure performance in MWO is concerned, my pick would be the Dragoon, but that one is extinct in the 31st century. (Too bad... it is an impressive design: high hardpoints in line with the cockpit, high engine cap, good hardpoints, JJ and ECM, can carry AC/20 in the arm...).

Dragon Fire, Toyama and Falconer have a lot going for them too, and they have some interesting lore. Flashman and Penetrator would be better Black Knights; the Penetrator would actually be a lot better. The Maelstrom is another fast energy boat with Marauder-heritage and high engine cap plus ECM (which appeals to me a lot).
Sometimes I think about the Cestus, which is essentially a smaller Marauder, and the Verfolger, which is a rather unique dark horse with some interesting traits. And since we are approaching the FCCW, the JägerMech 3 is worth a thought.

Many question the performance capabilities of 60 Ton Mechs, but I for one - being a fan of cavalry Mechs - can well imagine to make good use of the Ost-Series and the Lancelot. Even the Black Hawk-KU would be a much better choice than the Avatar due to its geometry.

Well, and then there are my personal favourites based on my own nostalgia: Excalibur and Shootist. Both are ComGuard Mechs, but I doubt they'd find many fans here. Their performance in MWO wouldn't be meta-great but I take them over the Avatar if I want to win any time.

There are more Mechs I just don't care for, like Bandersnatch or Jinggau, but actually the Avatar is so vulnerable that I would prefer most other heavy Mechs including those I don't care for.
Speaking of lore only, the Avatar is a totally valid choice and if it sells well... fine. But I seriously doubt people realize what they would get.

And, as a footnote, I think it is highly ironic that people worship MW:4 like the second coming yet don't want MWO to do what MW:4 did: dare to introduce Mechs which have not been featured in previous games. I think we should honour that spirit of MW:4 instead of blindly stuffing every MW:4 Mech into MWO no matter how bad. It is not like we won't get Mechs from MW:4 anyway. I just hope we can chose those which are actually important in the BT-lore (unlike the Uziel) and highly capable in MWO (again, unlike the Uziel).

[CK16]

Thanatos?

Edited by CK16, 26 March 2017 - 07:14 PM.

[TheArisen]

CK16, on 26 March 2017 - 06:44 PM, said:

Thanatos?
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It's better than most but there's quite a few stronger options for the IS.

[Bishop Steiner]

[Odanan]

TheArisen, on 26 March 2017 - 05:37 PM, said:

I'm glad you asked...

- Dragon Fire
- Toyama
- Falconer
- Onslaught
- Bandersnatch (For MRMS + ECM)
- Anvil (A little on the light end but still solid)

All unknown mechs for most of MWO's playerbase.

CK16, on 26 March 2017 - 06:44 PM, said:

Thanatos?

MW4 mech? Good choice. But there is a problem: C3.

[CK16]

With the unknown mechs that is why IMO would be nice to see PGI to do a poll for each faction. Suggesting ONLY lesser known chassis (but decent ones) and let the community vote (giving them a picture, base loadouts, and Sarna link)

Could also do with it well known but as we know...Almost all popular and known chassis will end up in game at sometime.

[Kin3ticX]

MRM-40 and Heavy Gauss might finally give me a better build to put in my atlas-k

[Zergling]

Odanan, on 26 March 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:

MW4 mech? Good choice. But there is a problem: C3.

Only has a C3 Slave, which is easy to replace with other stuff.

[FLG 01]

Odanan, on 26 March 2017 - 07:22 PM, said:

All unknown mechs for most of MWO's playerbase.

So were Night Gyr or Huntsman. But they not only sold well, they are also very powerful in the game and thus a common sight in matches. Nostalgia Mechs like Rifleman - of which the IS has many, and is still getting more - are rarely seen, because people understand that even the greatest nostalgia does not make up for being shot like a dog in the long run.

Again, MWO is a BattleTech-game and it thus should embrace the full range of BattleTech. This is not only to do BT justice and to honour the spirit of previous MW-titles, this is also healthy for a balanced game in the long run.

[CK16]

Yup, although some lesser knowns have started to gain support here. Like the Night Star and Sagittaire. It is why those polls although nice to see, hurt alot of good options sometimes because people just vote for the common house hold names and don't research all the options on Sarna first.

[Bishop Steiner]

Kin3ticX, on 26 March 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

MRM-40 and Heavy Gauss might finally give me a better build to put in my atlas-k

AS7K are supposed to be bad. It's like an MWO rule or something.

FLG 01, on 27 March 2017 - 02:45 AM, said:

So were Night Gyr or Huntsman. But they not only sold well, they are also very powerful in the game and thus a common sight in matches. Nostalgia Mechs like Rifleman - of which the IS has many, and is still getting more - are rarely seen, because people understand that even the greatest nostalgia does not make up for being shot like a dog in the long run.

Again, MWO is a BattleTech-game and it thus should embrace the full range of BattleTech. This is not only to do BT justice and to honour the spirit of previous MW-titles, this is also healthy for a balanced game in the long run.

I'd say as much of it has to do with the playerbase... I think a goodly number of those playing are not traditional btech fans (just reading the forums and talking in chat reveals that) which makes nostalgia moot. The more important question is what percentage of SALES is tied to nostalgia machines and traditional Btech players, though? Because end of the day, game balance or not, PGI is smartest to choose what actually sells for IRL money, not MC or Cbills.

But that's hard to tell.