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#17681 Requiemking

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 01:18 PM

View PostGasoline, on 01 October 2017 - 09:46 PM, said:

Don't get me wrong, but people tend to say this about pretty much every friggin mech that get's released. Other than the Night Owl and the Sloth Bear I don't see a mech that has been nerfed into oblivion. Yes, there're a lot of niche mechs and the Piranha may be one of them. But first of all, it's something different, it's a weight class that is missing in the clan ranks and it's a BattleMech. Second there'll finally be a reason for Micro Lasers. The funniest thing is, the Piranha is the first mech clan pilots have to upgrade to double heat sinks as the Prime comes with singles (only the Prime tho)... It might even get Javelin/Assassin-like hitboxes. You can max out the armor on that thing by just switching to Ferro-Fibrous without losing any weight (you actually gain a net 0.1t). In TT it's just shy of 1 point of armor in the head and 2 on each leg (double the armor for MWO - so 16/18 head, and 14/18 legs) and has 16 available crit slots. Also downgrade the MG's to LMG's to get more ammo per tonnage. The CT heat sink has to move if upgraded to double heat sinks, because of the CT energy hardpoint. I would probably downgrade the Lasers to ER Smalls just for better sustained dps and less facetime. Now slap on more ammo or a TC1 and you're set. I doubt the Howler is any better, Prime has 3 LRM5 and 3 tons of ammo, -2 has 4 ATM3 and 2 tons of ammo (with an even downgraded engine and MASC) and -3 has one ER PPC and a TC... and it's a lot slower. Also that thing has a giant shoot me here shoulder. But while we're at it, I still want the Icestorm, but that won't happen any time soon (just 2 variants and one is Jihad-era).
The only one that does is the old TRO image of the Howler-1. The Howler-2's shoulder is nowhere near as obtrusive, and the Howler-3's weapon mount is practically non-existent. Plus, it's problems could easily be solved through a few PGI variants.

#17682 Ovion

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 03:28 PM

https://mwomercs.com/piranha
where is your god now!

#17683 Requiemking

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 04:31 PM

View PostOvion, on 02 October 2017 - 03:28 PM, said:

https://mwomercs.com/piranha
where is your god now!

Getting his investors together to smite that junker off the store page.

#17684 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 04:44 PM

first person that whines OP about a 20 ton MG boat needs to just slap themselves. HARD.

That'll be all.

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 04:45 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 02 October 2017 - 04:44 PM, said:

first person that whines OP about a 20 ton MG boat needs to just slap themselves. HARD.

That'll be all.

It's gonna be a loooooooooooooooong line of people needing to be slapped.

#17686 Bishop Steiner

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 04:52 PM

View PostFupDup, on 02 October 2017 - 04:45 PM, said:

It's gonna be a loooooooooooooooong line of people needing to be slapped.

Well that's just another day around any MWO Reddit......

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#17687 Pariah Devalis

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 05:14 PM

I shall name one "Omm."




Another, "Nomm."

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 02 October 2017 - 05:14 PM.


#17688 Valdarion Silarius

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 06:16 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 02 October 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

Well that's just another day around any MWO Reddit......

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I would pay good money to pilot a giant non-canon lieutenant Uhura battlemech that could bitchslap pilots right out of their cockpit. Might as well increase the salt tenfold.

#17689 Gasoline

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 10:53 PM

Interesting that the Piranha is actually reduced in speed and it's maximum engine rating is locked on the stock engine. 145.8 instead of 151 kph. That's a maximum speed of 156.7 kph speed tweaked. IIRC it's the same speed as the Jenner IIC.

#17690 Juodas Varnas

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 11:01 PM

View PostGasoline, on 02 October 2017 - 10:53 PM, said:

Interesting that the Piranha is actually reduced in speed and it's maximum engine rating is locked on the stock engine. 145.8 instead of 151 kph. That's a maximum speed of 156.7 kph speed tweaked. IIRC it's the same speed as the Jenner IIC.

It's probably an inept way to try to keep it balanced (and let's face it, it won't help) against the other 20 tonner - Locust, which will have a slightly bigger Max Engine of 190.

I am actually terrified of the day this thing comes out. I'm already frustrated by all the MG Cheetahs and Mist Lynxes, and now THIS thing... Gonna have to back-load armor, i guess Posted Image

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 11:19 PM

View PostJuodas Varnas, on 02 October 2017 - 11:01 PM, said:

It's probably an inept way to try to keep it balanced (and let's face it, it won't help) against the other 20 tonner - Locust, which will have a slightly bigger Max Engine of 190.

I am actually terrified of the day this thing comes out. I'm already frustrated by all the MG Cheetahs and Mist Lynxes, and now THIS thing... Gonna have to back-load armor, i guess Posted Image

View PostBishop Steiner, on 02 October 2017 - 04:44 PM, said:

first person that whines OP about a 20 ton MG boat needs to just slap themselves. HARD.

That'll be all.


View PostBishop Steiner, on 02 October 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

Well that's just another day around any MWO Reddit......

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#17692 Juodas Varnas

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 11:32 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 02 October 2017 - 11:19 PM, said:


Oh, i don't think it's going to be OP (no light mechs are, even if i do complain like a wuss)

Just annoying. The biggest issue i have with it (and the rest of the Clan MG lightboats) is that IS doesn't have anything comparable, with our Lights having 3-4 ballistic hardpoints at the maximum (as opposed to 8-12) and machine guns that are functionally identical but weight TWICE as much.

Edited by Juodas Varnas, 03 October 2017 - 01:13 AM.


#17693 Gasoline

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 12:48 AM

No JJ, no ECM, no defensive quirks (since clan tech), the Prime probably getting energy heat and range quirks, no ballistic, maybe a Night Owl like external heat transfer quirk or some such. That thing won't be OP. Just stop stripping armor from legs and back and you won't have anything to fear.

With everyone crying about 12 machine guns, people seem to forget the -2 with 15 energy... even with ER Micro Lasers it's a 36 damage alpha in 2 weapon groups... Guard your legs for the anklebiter. Posted Image

Edited by Gasoline, 03 October 2017 - 01:57 AM.


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Posted 03 October 2017 - 09:32 AM

I hope the B33F does a video of 12 Piranhas, call it Pushing Pirahnas or something

#17695 Metus regem

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 10:01 AM

View PostTheArisen, on 03 October 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

I hope the B33F does a video of 12 Piranhas, call it Pushing Pirahnas or something



I've got a couple titles he could spoof:

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 10:23 AM

Know how to deal with those pesky Piranhas trying to hump your leg?
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More proof the IS just needs its Melee. Swat those little bastiches where they stand!

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 11:34 AM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 03 October 2017 - 10:23 AM, said:

Know how to deal with those pesky Piranhas trying to hump your leg?
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More proof the IS just needs its Melee. Swat those little bastiches where they stand!



Naw, we just need one guy on the team to have this:

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You don't even have to hit them, they blast area is so big you can't possibly miss!

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 11:34 AM

Assault light-punting would solve many problems. Maybe if we equipped Supernovas with steel tipped boots or something.

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 01:16 PM

View PostMetus regem, on 03 October 2017 - 11:34 AM, said:



Naw, we just need one guy on the team to have this:

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You don't even have to hit them, they blast area is so big you can't possibly miss!

problem is since they'll be parked on your butt? Nukes kind of make a mess.... of you too

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 02:40 PM

View PostBishop Steiner, on 03 October 2017 - 01:16 PM, said:

problem is since they'll be parked on your butt? Nukes kind of make a mess.... of you too



It's called collateral damage, it is often unavoidable... How ever it'd sure make the Death Star achievement easy to get....





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