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[Odanan]

Wow, time flies. We might get a new mech announced in 3 days.

So... Stone Rhino or Turkina? Or Vapor Eagle?

[Virlutris]

Odanan, on 29 July 2018 - 04:28 PM, said:

Wow, time flies. We might get a new mech announced in 3 days.

So... Stone Rhino or Turkina? Or Vapor Eagle?

A medium makes good, solid, logical sense.

Therefore, they'll do a heavy or assault. Because Reasons™.

[SuperFunkTron]

FLG 01, on 24 July 2018 - 07:34 PM, said:

Let me explain:

I do not mind PGI using canon rumours to create hero Mechs. I actually like it. Tempest is a good example of a well used canon rumour; you know, the old Phantom Mech debate. PGI even included a phantom as hanging item. That's great.

But there are hero Mechs which simply don't make sense. I don't mind the fact that PGI creates hero Mechs, but why do they have to be so stupid? There is not one variant of the Crab using ammunition-based weaponry, and Florentine does violate the very idea of the design. At least they could have stayed in-character and use the Clan Busters of ComStar as a guideline. That means a refit centered around the XL 300, and perhaps long range weapons.

Lastly there are wasted opportunities. For example, if you have to create your non-canon Uziel-hero - and you have to due to the lack of (pre-Jihad) lore - use what little lore you have. The one shining moment of the Uziel in the FCCW was the defence of the Defiance plants on Hesperus II. So just give us an Uziel of the Defiance Self-Protection Force. It comes with a distinctive paint scheme, the huge Defiance facilities explain any modification you want, and it uses the FCCW-lore.
And yet, we got some fantasy Uziel that does none of that. How is that not a wasted opportunity?

The same applies, I am afraid to say, to the Champion. I just want some connection to the lore and a sensible hero variant. That should be possible.

I definitely feel you on the wasted hero opportunities. There are so many lore based Dire Wolf heroes we could get (Widowmaker, Prometheus, etc...) that could be made more unique by the quirks applied. I look at the Gargoyle Kin Wolf and wonder how the hell that was chosen over the Conal which would have provided an ECM variant, and I think it's safe to say that ECM alone would not make that variant over powered compared to the rest, but would allow the mech some very badly needed variety for a mech that has severely limited build options. We could probably go mech by mech, but unfortunately we won't get anywhere with it :/

And Sereglach touches on a very painful but real point. There seems to be an increasingly large disconnect from not only lore but the faction vs. faction element of the game. Solaris is fine and has helped get some improvements going, but I still think that working to greatly improve faction diversity and find more interesting ways to utilize those differences to incentivize different kinds of play and faction events would be a much better investment of their resources.

[FLG 01]

When it comes to the Clans I personally think Vlad's Executioner is the epitome of a wasted opportunity (though I do not disagree with your examples). You know, the massively overgunned Mech from Phelan's trial...
http://www.masteruni...xecutioner-vlad
....the beauty of Vlad's Executioner is that it is either illegal or using a smaller engine. That alone makes it a radically different variant. It is very likely some editing mistake or a misunderstanding in the writing process. After all, when Stackpole wrote those scenes the Clans and their Mechs were in their earlier stages of development (out-of-universe speaking). Maybe it was a last minute change. But still, it's there, ready to be used for MWO.

I mean, if we want radically different hero Mech configurations, this would have been available and it would be accurate to the lore (albeit not necessarily tournament legal...). I cannot see how Bekker, who is much less well known than Vlad and piloted a standard Executioner for all we know, is a better choice.

Edited by FLG 01, 30 July 2018 - 09:08 PM.

[Marauder3D]

Since we are so close to hearing about a potential new mech, do people think it is going to be Clan because we just had an IS mech?

I'm hoping for more IS goodness, because I love the 3025 era. Still hoping for the Crusader despite everything. Prepared to be disappointed.

Cheers,

Mad.

[Odanan]

Tomorrow?

[Marauder3D]

Odanan, on 31 July 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

Tomorrow?

That would be brilliant, but since the last mech announcement was only three weeks ago or so, I'm guessing Friday or sometime next week. Next Friday seems plausible too. I'd rather not wait THAT long.

[Odanan]

?

[Myke Pantera]

Odanan, on 29 July 2018 - 04:28 PM, said:

Wow, time flies. We might get a new mech announced in 3 days.

So... Stone Rhino or Turkina? Or Vapor Eagle?

Although i wouldn't mind either of those 3, my bet is on a non 55t, non 40t clan medium mech. Most likely Shadow Hawk IIC or Conjurer/Hellhound. Outside chance for Mongrel/Grendel, Griffin IIC and Pouncer.

[Karl Streiger]

They can bring the Hollander/Hollander, not.

considering that MWO outlived most expectations a Clan Mech would be a liablility - you could use it only in a "AddOn" for MW5 or BattleTech - while any IS Mech can be used by both games as well.

When you really want Clan Mechs the most "money safe" way is to bring alterations of current models IICs or ClanModifications (Gausszilla, Wolverine II, Warhammer IIC, UrbanMech IIC, COmmando IIC, Great Wyrm, Corvis or to "create" models that can be tweaked in both ways for example the Crossbow.

The other alternative is to choose a clan mech with some unhealthy fans that will throw money as long as they know the model from MW4.....


They can bring the Hollander, not.

Edited by Karl Streiger, 01 August 2018 - 07:09 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

I could see a Turkina being added eventually. I remember those from MechCommander.

[The Lighthouse]

MeiSooHaityu, on 01 August 2018 - 07:12 AM, said:

I could see a Turkina being added eventually. I remember those from MechCommander.

I believe not 'those'.

The mech only appears once in a single mission. The map for that mission even has 'boss stage' for this mech.

[MeiSooHaityu]

The Lighthouse, on 01 August 2018 - 08:09 AM, said:

I believe not 'those'.

The mech only appears once in a single mission. The map for that mission even has 'boss stage' for this mech.

I'm pretty sure it shows up more than that. This person had two of them. I don't think he modded the game.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 01 August 2018 - 08:37 AM.

[Juodas Varnas]

Looks pretty good.

[Odanan]

Juodas Varnas, on 01 August 2018 - 08:58 AM, said:

Looks pretty good.

Vulcan! Looks good indeed!

[Marauder3D]

Very, very good looking. [For a Vulcan]

Now we just need infantry to roast.

[Alex Morgaine]

Yussss, we has plansssss

[FLG 01]

So here it is:




Looks a bit WoB-ish if you ask me, but this will easily one of the best mediums - if not the very best. (PGI may want to rethink those BSW-nerfs...)

[Ovion]

Clan 55T Battlemech
4B, 4E, 2M (with a Torso Ballistic), JJ
5B, 2E (with 2 Torso Ballistic), JJ
4E, 3M, JJ
7E, 2M
1B, 2E, 4M (with a Torso Ballistic), JJ
3B, 2E, 1M, JJ, MASC

[TheArisen]

FLG 01, on 01 August 2018 - 02:06 PM, said:

So here it is: Looks a bit WoB-ish if you ask me, but this will easily one of the best mediums - if not the very best. (PGI may want to rethink those BSW-nerfs...)

Man the Clans get have been on a roll with getting so many of their best possible choices.

Also yeah, they shouldn't nerf the BSW if the Clans are getting the VEagle.