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[Lord Ikka]

I'm amused by you optimism, but I doubt Davion command, especially with MercStar now on their side, would even entertain the idea of a ceasefire. You guys are enjoying not having to fight clanners on your own worlds too much.

If there was an alliance, you would see a thread about it on the Kurita forums I assure you. Doesn't mean that there is or isn't one in the works or that something down the line won't happen, but it would definitely be announced- no matter whom the alliance is with.

[Abivard]

IraqiWalker, on 23 December 2014 - 02:47 AM, said:

Right now, Marik, Liao, and Kurita already have an alliance. Now we just need everyone else to get on board, and stop beating up on the FRR. I can't defend their planets from IS invasions. If we all stick together, and pull off the plan mentioned earlier where three factions attack the clans, while the other 3 defend the IS planets against invasion (we can even get them to rotate, so people don't get bored. Or we get extra specialized with factions that are Defense specialists, and Offense specialists) That would allow us to start really kicking the clans around.

This should be the true goal of all units and any pugs that care about the faction they serve.

The ceasefire Lord Ikka helped arrange between the FRR and DCMS has held solid to this day, allowing both our factions to better focus on carrying the attack to clan worlds.
Recently Steiner has made an alliance with Clan WOLF and along with Davion Units has been attacking the DCMS as well as marik.
Steiner has also reignited the front between FRR and Steiner by launching heavy Assaults against the FRR world of Orestes.

Clan Wolf has been able to focus all it's forces against the FRR but has made little headway and indeed lost planets to the FRR. Clan wolf was able to make this effort because Steiner promised to not attack wolf but to instead help attack the FRR.

This is flat out wrong and the first Inner sphere house to align with a clan faction. A sad week end it was for the IS, a joyous one among the clans.

[MadC4t]

IraqiWalker, on 23 December 2014 - 02:58 AM, said:

Honestly, there are ways of dealing with them, even when they do something this silly. Which map was it?

Not sure at the Moment, but thought it was one of the Kurita Planets in the North near Clan Terretory.

[MadC4t]

Lord Ikka, on 23 December 2014 - 03:03 AM, said:

I'm amused by you optimism, but I doubt Davion command, especially with MercStar now on their side, would even entertain the idea of a ceasefire. You guys are enjoying not having to fight clanners on your own worlds too much.

If there was an alliance, you would see a thread about it on the Kurita forums I assure you. Doesn't mean that there is or isn't one in the works or that something down the line won't happen, but it would definitely be announced- no matter whom the alliance is with.

But you, stahp me if u dont, musst agree me that it would be nice for the IS if Liao, Marik, FRR and Kurita make an Alliance.

[Satan n stuff]

Lord Ikka, on 23 December 2014 - 02:19 AM, said:

Considering that HK has lost planets to the FedCom on all but two days, and only won four planets from the FedCom, we're not the ones pushing this fight- you are.

No, that just means you're not as good at it as we are.

[Alexander Steel]

Lord Ikka, on 23 December 2014 - 02:08 AM, said:

Oh, from an RP standpoint- Kentares happened two hundred years ago Davions, by an acknowledged madman. Many of the warriors who obeyed Jinjiro Kurita's orders eventually killed themselves, its very hard to get revenge on centuries-old ghosts. Look to your bloodthirsty Prince's actions at his wedding, causing the Fourth Succession War in which millions died, to see that your hands are stained with blood as dark as ours.

Keep in mind the 4th Succession war was started because House Liao tried to replace Hanse Davion with a double. Even more amusing was the fact that this double was conditioned to leave House Liao alone and focus the Davion Military on the Draconis Combine. I say amusing because at the time Liao, Marik, and Kurita had an alliance with each other. This is why Kurita got dragged into the fight. Marik on the other hand looked at it's two allies getting beat up and basically said.. "Yeah, you guys have this... call for help if you need it." Then they locked themselves in a noise proof room and refused to pick up the phone.

Heh....

Edited by Alexander Steel, 23 December 2014 - 04:10 AM.

[Thorn Hallis]

Satan n stuff, on 23 December 2014 - 03:24 AM, said:

No, that just means you're not as good at it as we are.

You mean "not as numerous".

[kesmai]

Quantity is a quality of it's own

Joseph Stalin

[100mile]

Ghost Badger, on 22 December 2014 - 12:05 PM, said:

To be fair what happened in 'Lore' has basically less than no bearing on anything happening in this game. Lol.

Wrong....in that a lot of people in this game picked the House they are in due to the lore..(Not everybody)
Wrong...in that a lot of people in this game base their actions and reactions off of what has gone on before in Lore...(Once again not everybody)

Right...in that Lore doesn't need to dictate future actions, in other words we have an opportunity to change the way things went per lore from 3049 on...but never for one moment should you discount the lore/History of this game.

[Satan n stuff]

Thorn Hallis, on 23 December 2014 - 05:49 AM, said:

You mean "not as numerous".

No, pretty sure I don't. We're not exactly throwing everything we have at the snakes, we've got pigeons and space furries to beat down so right now the Combine is low priority, and despite that they're still losing.

[IraqiWalker]

Abivard, on 23 December 2014 - 03:05 AM, said:

Inner sphere house to align with a clan faction. A sad week end it was for the IS, a joyous one among the clans.

The FRR was the first faction to sign a ceasefire with a clan (CGB). The Lyrans should be more focused on the DC, and FWL, than on FRR, in my honest opinion. In fact, I think all IS factions should literally stop any hostilities with the FRR, since they are bearing the main brunt of the clan invasion.

MadC4t, on 23 December 2014 - 03:08 AM, said:

Not sure at the Moment, but thought it was one of the Kurita Planets in the North near Clan Terretory.

I meant was it Boreal Vault, or the Sulfur map?

Thorn Hallis, on 23 December 2014 - 05:49 AM, said:

You mean "not as numerous".

You know, I wish I was in one of those "Ghost drops" that people keep talking about on the Kuritan front. Maybe it's time zone differences, but I haven't had many of those total, and I believe they happened at the Marik, and Liao fronts.

[Abivard]

IraqiWalker, on 23 December 2014 - 03:20 PM, said:

The FRR was the first faction to sign a ceasefire with a clan (CGB). The Lyrans should be more focused on the DC, and FWL, than on FRR, in my honest opinion. In fact, I think all IS factions should literally stop any hostilities with the FRR, since they are bearing the main brunt of the clan invasion.



I meant was it Boreal Vault, or the Sulfur map?



You know, I wish I was in one of those "Ghost drops" that people keep talking about on the Kuritan front. Maybe it's time zone differences, but I haven't had many of those total, and I believe they happened at the Marik, and Liao fronts.

Just because in the Lore the frr and CGB made an alliance against all the rest of the clans and is houses has no bearing on what has happened in MWO CW.

In MWO CW, the FRR has never had a ceasefire with any clan faction.
In MWO CW Steiner has been a constant aggressor against the FRR, Steiner started that early war and lost it to the FRR.
Now in MWO CW Steiner has allied with clan wolf, with both agreeing to attack the FRR.

In MWO CW the FRR is still actively fighting CJF,CW,CGB,CSJ. in addition we are fighting Steiner. many Davion forces are currently conducting operations in support of Steiner.

Steiner is fighting a defense only war with CJF, But Steiner is conducting very active and aggressive fighting towards, Kurtia, Marik, Liao, and the FRR.

Btw, Kurtia is actively attacking CGB, and CSJ, while defending from Steiner and Davion attacks.

What those factions did in the LORE is moot.

[Alexander Steel]

If the "Lore" doesn't matter, then factions are free to ally with whoever they want to.

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What those factions did in the LORE is moot.

Exactly, in this game the Lore is moot and factions are free to fight and ally with whoever they feel is in their best interest to do so. In "the lore" DAvion and Kurita chilled out against each other and never fired a shot towards one another once the invasion started. In "The Lore" Marik didn't send any units to fight the clans until deep into 3057 and only then because Thomas Marik was trying to get into the pants of Katrina STeiner-DAvion, who had the hots for the leader of Clan Wolf not old man Fried Face Marik.

[R E T I]

Just went through some matches that went to end of time or close against Davions. I must say your numbers serve you well as your Jr Varsity team are great stalling, maybe someday the will be good enough to run with the big boys.

[R E T I]

kesmai, on 23 December 2014 - 06:24 AM, said:

Quantity is a quality of it's own

Joseph Stalin

Quantity instead of Quality???

[BlackPhoenix01]

Zedekiah316, on 23 December 2014 - 07:55 PM, said:

Just went through some matches that went to end of time or close against Davions. I must say your numbers serve you well as your Jr Varsity team are great stalling, maybe someday the will be good enough to run with the big boys.

"PULL!"

Edited by BlackPhoenix01, 23 December 2014 - 08:47 PM.

[IraqiWalker]

Abivard, on 23 December 2014 - 06:40 PM, said:

Just because in the Lore the frr and CGB made an alliance against all the rest of the clans and is houses has no bearing on what has happened in MWO CW.

In MWO CW, the FRR has never had a ceasefire with any clan faction.
In MWO CW Steiner has been a constant aggressor against the FRR, Steiner started that early war and lost it to the FRR.
Now in MWO CW Steiner has allied with clan wolf, with both agreeing to attack the FRR.

In MWO CW the FRR is still actively fighting CJF,CW,CGB,CSJ. in addition we are fighting Steiner. many Davion forces are currently conducting operations in support of Steiner.

Steiner is fighting a defense only war with CJF, But Steiner is conducting very active and aggressive fighting towards, Kurtia, Marik, Liao, and the FRR.

Btw, Kurtia is actively attacking CGB, and CSJ, while defending from Steiner and Davion attacks.

What those factions did in the LORE is moot.

Alexander Steel, on 23 December 2014 - 07:42 PM, said:

If the "Lore" doesn't matter, then factions are free to ally with whoever they want to.



Exactly, in this game the Lore is moot and factions are free to fight and ally with whoever they feel is in their best interest to do so. In "the lore" DAvion and Kurita chilled out against each other and never fired a shot towards one another once the invasion started. In "The Lore" Marik didn't send any units to fight the clans until deep into 3057 and only then because Thomas Marik was trying to get into the pants of Katrina STeiner-DAvion, who had the hots for the leader of Clan Wolf not old man Fried Face Marik.

At the end of the day what I was saying is that Everyone needs to start defending the FRR from clan forces, and not attacking each other.

Also, don't make the FRR the holy martyrs here. Steiner was busy fighting on 5-6 fronts. You guys won the early engagements because they were stretched thin EVERYWHERE. Then we had the Fedcom alliance formed, and things slowed down a bit as Davion started sharing some of the flak, and stopped attacking Steiner.

[StillRadioactive]

Thorn Hallis, on 23 December 2014 - 05:49 AM, said:

You mean "not as numerous".

Do I really need to break out the pie charts again?

Marik + Liao + Kurita greatly outnumber Davion... and two of those factions are literally throwing EVERYTHING they have against us!

[Neput Z34]

I guess all the players in minor factions should change their affiliation to Steiner, after they get "liberated" by Davions and get the Fed-Com Civil war started early?

Or follow in a path of Kerensky out of disgust?

Be glad Periphery Pirates or WoB are not playable faction.

[IraqiWalker]

StillRadioactive, on 23 December 2014 - 09:25 PM, said:

Do I really need to break out the pie charts again?

Marik + Liao + Kurita greatly outnumber Davion... and two of those factions are literally throwing EVERYTHING they have against us!

Including the kitchen sink. (in all fairness, at one point we -HHoD- did the same to one of the Kurita units, and they managed to hold us off, barely, but still held the planet at the end.)