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Poll: Should damage done to generators and turrets count to your damage total? (114 member(s) have cast votes)

Should damage done to generators and turrets count to your damage total?

  1. Yes. (107 votes [93.86%])

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  2. No. (7 votes [6.14%])

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#1 Cementi

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 10:59 AM

Im not gonna sit here and pug bash however I do avoid solo puging CW and in general only drop in CW matches when I have at least 2 allies on teamspeak. However it is distressing how many matches are lost for no other reason than people refuse to shoot objectives and turrets in favor of mech targets as their loyalty is only to their cbill wallet and they could care less about CW progression.

This NEEDS to be fixed and I think the way to do it would be to have damage done to generators and turrets count to your total damage and thus your cbills as it seems unfair for someone to go to the work of shooting these and not get credit unless they get the killing blow. Not sure but I do not think there is any sort of reward for hitting generators.

I would like alot of adjustments done to turrets themselves but that would be off topic.

So anyone else have any ideas, or support this one.

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 11:55 AM

Hell, make them count double! We'll all be sprinting to the generators in no time!

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 11:59 AM

Good idea, way too many gatewarriors in CW...

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 12:18 PM

Should damage to turrets and objectives count? absolutely. Maybe 3x the points for shooting objectives than shooting mechs. Afterall, your there to destroy the ODG and its support buildings.

Personally I think the gate generators should be made more accessible, or there should be more ways to shoot at it. To counter that, buff its health by 100%.

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 12:40 PM

I don't think credits are the sole reason. It's very easy to be tied up on your way to the generators, when someone attack you you shoot back to defend yourself and forget your real objective. The human brain is wired that way. I don't think it's a good setup right now where you are basically asked to suicide sprint to a place, igonring everybody shooting at you and just hope you don't eat dirt a few metres from the finish line.

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 03:32 PM

Our Drop Commanders in CI have to constantly say "keep moving, get to the objectives". It is easy to get caught up in the moment and engage an enemy in the heat of the battle.

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 03:42 PM

give them x5 xp for generators and it still won't make a damn of difference in PUGS.

You need a person willing to risk abuse and try to get it working as a team, and for the rest to obey the instructions, even them 2 or 3 will hang back in case they get paint scratched

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 03:47 PM

View PostCathy, on 27 December 2014 - 03:42 PM, said:

give them x5 xp for generators and it still won't make a damn of difference in PUGS.

You need a person willing to risk abuse and try to get it working as a team, and for the rest to obey the instructions, even them 2 or 3 will hang back in case they get paint scratched


You also have to make that abuse worth it. Make shooting the defenders also worthwhile, and the PUGS can go for the defenders while the groups go for the generators.

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 04:59 PM

We also need a way to push to the objectives. I'm a little annoyed of games that we can't even break the gate.

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 05:12 PM

I find typing out things I want/need works about 90% of the time. Seems fairly easy if you put the effort into it not sure why people seem ignore it.

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Posted 28 December 2014 - 01:11 AM

In the grand scheme of things I would prefer a redesign of the entire gate system. Something with ramparts that force the defenders to actually expose themselves somewhat to defend their gates. Have the objective to simply shoot the gate instead of a generator behind it (sorry still trying to wrap my head around spring loaded gates that open when power is cut, seems counter intuitive).

I personally do not like how on Boreal Vault a group of snipers can sit back in the middle of the map and snipe people on either side from one position. On top of that the way the generators on that map are attackers are forced into a VERY cramped area to even be able to open the gates. As a defender sniping people shooting the generator you almost cannot miss.

Sulphorus Rift on the other hand the generators are exposed and you can shoot them from many differnt spots so that defenders cannot easily focus fire. The down side is this map has few areas for defenders to get up by the gates to get actual shots on the attackers.

Its almost like the two maps are almost what I would like to see. Sulphorous Rift needs somethign for defenders to more easily fire back and Boreal Vault needs something so that Defenders have to work a little harder.

Either way, turrets and objectives need to give people more credit and not just the pilot that gets the final shot.

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Posted 28 December 2014 - 02:20 AM

Ditch the gates.
Really the game doesnt start til they are open, just have an aplha/beta/gamma turret that flashes to let the defenders know which side is under attack. After the first wave it rarely matters anyway, we just wait to see where the mechs are pouring in.

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Posted 28 December 2014 - 02:21 AM

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Posted 28 December 2014 - 03:26 AM

View PostEvilCow, on 27 December 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

Good idea, way too many gatewarriors in CW...

If rushing the generators is how the game is won then that's what PUGs should be encouraged to do. If our Canadian overlords disagree then they should change how the game is won to better match their vision of CW.
Either way I think we can all agree that camping the gate doesn't usually work.

Edited by Satan n stuff, 28 December 2014 - 03:28 AM.


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Posted 28 December 2014 - 08:19 PM

View PostLordKnightFandragon, on 27 December 2014 - 12:18 PM, said:

Personally I think the gate generators should be made more accessible, or there should be more ways to shoot at it. To counter that, buff its health by 100%.


Definitely..., its too easy for defenders because theres basically 1 spot they need to watch behind the gates.

Edited by k05h3lk1n, 28 December 2014 - 08:20 PM.


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Posted 28 December 2014 - 08:25 PM

Make each generator kill count as much as killing 4 mechs. And make the silly things targetable so they can see what they are.

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Posted 29 December 2014 - 05:38 PM

I think they are under ecm though I have never had anyone tag or narc a generator to test. Might have to try that tonight would make life on Boreal Vault alot better if they could be narced. Anyone know the answer to this?

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Posted 29 December 2014 - 08:20 PM

*Nails "SHOOT HERE" sign to generator.*

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Posted 29 December 2014 - 08:29 PM

I also would like a GIGANTIC notification at the start... saying: HEY... arty and air does not have an effect on the generators...

so, stop legging your teammates near it... use your artys and airs on the defenders' intercept paths.


View PostCementi, on 29 December 2014 - 05:38 PM, said:

I think they are under ecm though I have never had anyone tag or narc a generator to test. Might have to try that tonight would make life on Boreal Vault alot better if they could be narced. Anyone know the answer to this?


nope...no tag...no narc... they are immune to these marking devices... tested it a number of times.

Edited by Navid A1, 29 December 2014 - 08:30 PM.


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Posted 29 December 2014 - 08:33 PM

I second this notion. As a pure pug player myself I am tired of dropping and being one of two pugs on the team... yet I somehow am the only one shooting the objectives... looks like some units are to blame also.





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