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[Spleenslitta]

Xandre Blackheart, on 27 June 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

From what I've gotten in response to requests for clarification about hardpoints, it does indeed mean that if you have 3 criticals and an enegy hardpoint in the left arm (and tonnage of course) then you can indeed stick a ppc in there.

In other words"

Woot!

Hmmm...i took a look at a screenshot and i believe your right. I'll be damned.
The weapons slots only refer to how many weapons you can mount there. The internal spaces determine the rest just like you said.

[Spleenslitta]

This screenshot proves it.
Mechlab Screenshot 5

See how the PPC takes up three internals and only one energy slot is occupied on the hardpoint restriction. That's right.
A Commando will most likely be able to mount such a gun. We saw a Jenner with dual PPC's in the leaked beta fotage so why not?

[CancersCincar]

Spleenslitta, on 27 June 2012 - 11:11 PM, said:

Hmmm...i took a look at a screenshot and i believe your right. I'll be damned.
The weapons slots only refer to how many weapons you can mount there. The internal spaces determine the rest just like you said.

Looks like I've got this backwards. I've been referring to the internal spaces as slots. So the real question is if it will have the spaces for it, which I believe it will not.

[Spleenslitta]

CancersCincar, on 27 June 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

Looks like I've got this backwards. I've been referring to the internal spaces as slots. So the real question is if it will have the spaces for it, which I believe it will not.

Take a look at the above screenshot...[grin]....Wheeeee and we are on a roll.

There should be plenty of internal available. Plenty. Trust me. You could fit 3 PPC's there if things only concerned the internals. It might even leave one internal open.
But three PPC's was only an example of how much internal space is available....
It will work.

Edited by Spleenslitta, 27 June 2012 - 11:22 PM.

[CancersCincar]

Spleenslitta, on 27 June 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Take a look at the above screenshot...[grin]....Wheeeee and we are on a roll.

There should be plenty of internal available. Plenty. Trust me. You could fit 2 PPC's there if things only concerned the internals.
It will work.

You're basing the internal space on a 'Mech that's 40 tons heavier than the Commando and probably double in size.

[Spleenslitta]

CancersCincar, on 27 June 2012 - 11:21 PM, said:

You're basing the internal space on a 'Mech that's 40 tons heavier than the Commando and probably double in size.

But in the old mechlab the numbers of internal spaces was the same regardless of size right? Buggy i know but that was how it worked i think.
But regardless of that we are guarantied enough internals for a PPC. No problem.

[Xandre Blackheart]

CancersCincar, on 27 June 2012 - 11:21 PM, said:

You're basing the internal space on a 'Mech that's 40 tons heavier than the Commando and probably double in size.

Crit spaces don't vary by tonnage. I will work.

Mini-Panther lives!

[CancersCincar]

Spleenslitta, on 27 June 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

But in the old mechlab the numbers of internal spaces was the same regardless of size right? Buggy i know but that was how it worked i think.
But regardless of that we are guarantied enough internals for a PPC. No problem.

Maybe one, but two is pushing it due to weight (14 tons to mount two of them, and lets not forget the heat problems there after)

Spleenslitta, on 27 June 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Take a look at the above screenshot...[grin]....Wheeeee and we are on a roll.

There should be plenty of internal available. Plenty. Trust me. You could fit 3 PPC's there if things only concerned the internals. It might even leave one internal open.
But three PPC's was only an example of how much internal space is available....
It will work.

Impossible. Three PPC weigh 21 tons. The commando is only 25 tons.

[KageRyuu]

CancersCincar, on 27 June 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

I highly doubt that such a small 'Mech could mount a PPC, simply due to the tonnage of the weapon (seven tons, according to the BattleTech wiki) and due to the size.

It's an option, just like the Large laser Variant, you'd have to sacrifice or upgrade somewhere to get the tonnage, but space is relative, if you ain't got both Ferro Fiber and Endo Steel, you probably have space to spare.

[Xandre Blackheart]

CancersCincar, on 27 June 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:

Maybe one, but two is pushing it due to weight (14 tons to mount two of them, and lets not forget the heat problems there after)


Impossible. Three PPC weigh 21 tons. The commando is only 25 tons.

Oh yeah you're not going to get more than 1 on there. But really, do you need more?

It's like Chuckie with a freaking blaster rifle maaaang.

[Spleenslitta]

Xandre Blackheart, on 27 June 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:

Crit spaces don't vary by tonnage. I will work.

Mini-Panther lives!

It's alive. IT'S ALIVE!

We're completly bonkers aren't we?

CancersCincar, on 27 June 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:

Impossible. Three PPC weigh 21 tons. The commando is only 25 tons.

I was talking about available internal space only. Relax. Just read my post more carefully.

[Xandre Blackheart]

Chuckie with a blaster rifle!

Run for your life!

[CancersCincar]

Xandre Blackheart, on 27 June 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

Oh yeah you're not going to get more than 1 on there. But really, do you need more?

It's like Chuckie with a freaking blaster rifle maaaang.

Not necessarily, but it'd prove to be much scarier than just having one, considering the fact that a light 'Mech carrying around two PPCs will make medium 'Mech pilots think twice about engaging on it, and even some heavy 'Mech pilots. The Adder (Puma) has two ER PPCs and it's not to be taken lightly on the field.

Edited by CancersCincar, 27 June 2012 - 11:34 PM.

[Hellgardia]

Between the three i would pick the Jenner

[Spleenslitta]

A damn....we are posting so fast that we are barelly keeping check of things.

To clarify the 3 PPC monster was just an example.

You could fit 3 PPC's there if things only concerned the internals. It might even leave one internal open.
But three PPC's was only an example of how much internal space is available....
It will work.

It had nothing to do with an actual configuration at all. Just demonstrating that there is plenty of internal space. No more.
I'm nuts but not that nuts.

[KageRyuu]

Also for those nay sayers out there who says a Commando can't roll with a PPC due to space, may I introduce the Commando COM-1B, in it's right arm it carries both a Large Laser and a Medium Laser, which equal out to 3 crit slots, while it also sports a SRM 2 in the Center Torso. Now if for some reason the devs decide to restrict the critical space you can devote to a weapon rather than the number of said weapon type, rest assured that so long as you can make or buy a Com-1B you can fit a PPC onto a Commando's right arm.

REJOICE!

Edited by KageRyuu, 27 June 2012 - 11:38 PM.

[CancersCincar]

Spleenslitta, on 27 June 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:

A damn....we are posting so fast that we are barelly keeping check of things.

To clarify the 3 PPC monster was just an example.

You could fit 3 PPC's there if things only concerned the internals. It might even leave one internal open.
But three PPC's was only an example of how much internal space is available....
It will work.

It had nothing to do with an actual configuration at all. Just demonstrating that there is plenty of internal space. No more.
I'm nuts but not that nuts.

Still, it's hard to believe they'd let light 'Mechs have such large internal space (which, realistically, isn't possible for a light 'Mech's arm to have as much internal space as a CPLT-K2's arms).

[Spleenslitta]

CancersCincar, on 27 June 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

Still, it's hard to believe they'd let light 'Mechs have such large internal space (which, realistically, isn't possible for a light 'Mech's arm to have as much internal space as a CPLT-K2's arms).

Yeah i know. It's kinda broken this way. But as far as light mech pilots are concerned it doesn't affect us too much since we can barrely carry enough stuff to fill a section of the mech anyhow.

Phew....you caught on to the fact that i hadn't lost all of my marbles. I was kinda worried there for a moment.

[CancersCincar]

KageRyuu, on 27 June 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

Also for those nay sayers out there who says a Commando can't roll with a PPC due to space, may I introduce the Commando COM-1B, in it's right arm it carries both a Large Laser and a Medium Laser, which equal out to 3 crit slots, while it also sports a SRM 2 in the Center Torso. Now if for some reason the devs decide to restrict the critical space you can devote to a weapon rather than the number of said weapon type, rest assured that so long as you can make or buy a Com-1B you can fit a PPC onto a Commando's right arm.

REJOICE!

According to the art for the Commando (On the MWO Wiki) the SRM-6 is torso mounted, the SRM-4 is right arm mounted, and the Medium Laser is left arm mounted. On the BattleTech Wiki, the COM-1B is listed as having a SRM-2 being torso mounted, and the Large Laser being RIGHT arm mounted, not left. However, the art may be inaccurate, though it's highly unlikely. Just my observations though.

Edited by CancersCincar, 27 June 2012 - 11:47 PM.

[Spleenslitta]

We have obviously taken huge steps to ensure ourselves that the Commando is a fully viable Battlemech.
The only real issue left is the 35 ton ceiling that was mentioned earlier before we went totally hyperactive.

If this wasn't a conversation on a forum across the web people would have asked: What have you guys been smoking and can i have some too?