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[Flapdrol]

xWiredx, on 02 January 2015 - 08:28 AM, said:

If you want to play with the hardcore overclockers, you've gotta pay for it.

True.

[xWiredx]

Here, check this list out. Entry level AIO water cooler, better PSU. Left the thermal compound off the list as it's usually easier to get that locally. There is about $20 worth of headroom for it, though.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GGQWjX

[TheSilken]

And that will work well?

[Lord Letto]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.77 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H50 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver Ceramique 2 Tri-Linear 25g Thermal Paste ($4.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($96.48 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($70.97 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.85 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill GALAXY-02-A ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $896.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-02 13:13 EST-0500

[TheSilken]

Awesome Lord. Can I please see a comparison between Lord's build and Wired's build?

[Lord Letto]

xWiredx, on 02 January 2015 - 08:50 AM, said:

Here, check this list out. Entry level AIO water cooler, better PSU. Left the thermal compound off the list as it's usually easier to get that locally. There is about $20 worth of headroom for it, though.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.77 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Antec KUHLER H2O 650 Liquid CPU Cooler ($37.49 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-P ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($109.19 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($70.97 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $880.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-02 13:36 EST-0500

Lord Letto, on 02 January 2015 - 10:15 AM, said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.77 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H50 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver Ceramique 2 Tri-Linear 25g Thermal Paste ($4.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($96.48 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($70.97 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.85 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill GALAXY-02-A ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $896.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-02 13:13 EST-0500

Wired chose a cheaper and apparently better Water cooler according to these:
http://www.overclock...-vs-corsair-h50
http://www.hardocp.c.../3#.VKblWSvF_7E

Wireds MOBO Cost's more and supports more RAM Speeds, but according to Newegg the one I chose has more SATA III Ports, a SATA Express that his don't have, mine got 1 PCIE 2.0 x16 slot in x4 mode while his is x2, Onboard audio for mine is the ALC892 7.1 while his is the ALC891 8 Channel, Onboard LAN on mine is Intel while his is Realtek and some other diffrences plus mine got more reviews (39 Reviews with 4/5 Egg Average while his got a 4/5 Average with only 7 Reviews)

my HDD is a WD that has a lower Fail Rate than the Seagate he chose

his case is cheaper and got better reviews, can hold a extra 2.5" & 3.5" HDD but IMO my case looks better plus come with 2 pre-installed fans, I know his comes with 1 fan but maybe it's 2 pre-installed also.

My PSU got a extra 20W and is fully modular while his is only Semi, plus SeaSonic>Corsair in PSU Brands I Think

[Flapdrol]

Lord Letto, on 02 January 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

My PSU got a extra 20W and is fully modular while his is only Semi, plus SeaSonic>Corsair in PSU Brands I Think

Depends, my corsair psu is a seasonic.

[xWiredx]

Corsair OEMs PSUs from Seasonic and somebody else (I forget who, but one of the two remaining actually reputable PSU designers) and then has a habit of putting a bit more of a premium finish on the final design. I would have chosen the Seasonic, but I think my eyes skipped over it.

The motherboard differences... Honestly, I just sorted by price and picked the first thing I would run. I've never liked ASRock boards, had a lot of them die back in the 90s. I guess that is a thing of the past, so I think that's probably the better choice. It does have a 6-phase power delivery instead of 4-phase like the ASUS one I chose originally, which means each phase will be working less hard and should be a little more stable for OCing. The rest of the differences seem purely cosmetic, I'm not sure you'll be utilizing SATA express and the other differences don't have much bearing on anything at all.

The HDD... I think I clicked the wrong 'ADD' button. That should have been a Hitachi drive. Starting some time in the past couple of years, Hitachi drives became by far the best ones to grab. They had ever so slightly better performance than similarly-priced WDD drives and the lowest failure rate among spinning drives. I would take a Hitachi 7K-series drive over a WD Blue drive any day. The even better part is I'm pretty sure the Hitachi drive was $1 cheaper than the Seagate I clicked.

[TheSilken]

Ok thank you guys. Now can we combine the two and get the best aspects from each? Btw I like the case on Lord's

Edit: Don't forget the Hitachi!

Edited by TheSilkenPimp, 02 January 2015 - 12:10 PM.

[Chiron]

TheSilkenPimp, on 02 January 2015 - 07:01 AM, said:

I'm noticing that the price is nudging further away from my budget. Is it possible to condense it? Sorry if this is a step backwards. If possible a $899 water cooled OC'd rig would be perfect.

I agree with what these guys are saying, that watercooling is a minor increase over a good air cooler. You are probably not going balls to walls for your first OC rig, and thats a good thing.

I'd reccomend you buy the air cooled build, but swap in the case from the water cooled system. Thats a total of $881. As you learn, and when you find an extra hundred bucks, like tax rebate time, THEN toss in a water cooler after. Thats what im doing with MY rig!

[Lord Letto]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.77 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Antec KUHLER H2O 650 Liquid CPU Cooler ($37.49 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver Ceramique 2 Tri-Linear 25g Thermal Paste ($4.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($96.48 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($70.97 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Hitachi Travelstar 1TB 2.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.00 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill GALAXY-02-A ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $899.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-02 16:45 EST-0500

[TheSilken]

Awesome. Thanks to everyone for the help I think that I'll use this one. Next help with assembly......

[xWiredx]

If you want an easy-to-apply thermal compound, do -not- get the Ceramique, get something else. Seriously, that is one of the worst I have ever used. Other than that, the latest build posted is rock solid.

Also... Travelstar? That's a laptop HDD. Grab a 1TB Deskstar instead. It'll be cheaper, and it's a regular 3.5" desktop internal HDD.

Edited by xWiredx, 02 January 2015 - 02:20 PM.

[TheSilken]

You know the drill make the changes

Edit: Please

Edited by TheSilkenPimp, 02 January 2015 - 02:29 PM.

[Goose]

xWiredx, on 02 January 2015 - 06:03 AM, said:

3 sources I don't trust because all of their testing methodologies seem to be stuck in 1995 …

What does that even mean? Does not one test heat sinks on a CPU?

[TheSilken]

This friend of mine is about to build this rig: http://pcpartpicker....31/saved/ggVbt6

He is saying that this CPU has double the power of the Intel one up above. Now I know that it's AMD and so it's single thread strength is weaker but it also has double the cores. It's also significantly cheaper. He also said that the memory that he is planning on getting is better too. Can I get a rundown on them? Thanks!

[Smokeyjedi]

TheSilkenPimp, on 02 January 2015 - 02:57 PM, said:

This friend of mine is about to build this rig: http://pcpartpicker....31/saved/ggVbt6

He is saying that this CPU has double the power of the Intel one up above. Now I know that it's AMD and so it's single thread strength is weaker but it also has double the cores. It's also significantly cheaper. He also said that the memory that he is planning on getting is better too. Can I get a rundown on them? Thanks!

well for MWO I cant recommend AMD FX series processors I have personally run all of them, 2 module 4100,4170 4module versions 8150,8350
The 8350 being the strongest of the lot still leaves a lot wanting in MWO @ stock clocks without cfg file tweaks and a beefy cpu cooler to OC tat thing to 4.6+ ghz(requiring more than a cheap-o board I would go Military grade sabretooth MOBO ) All of that would make the 8350 just cut the mustard................after you lower the in game settings to med.

[xWiredx]

TheSilkenPimp, on 02 January 2015 - 02:57 PM, said:

This friend of mine is about to build this rig: http://pcpartpicker....31/saved/ggVbt6

He is saying that this CPU has double the power of the Intel one up above. Now I know that it's AMD and so it's single thread strength is weaker but it also has double the cores. It's also significantly cheaper. He also said that the memory that he is planning on getting is better too. Can I get a rundown on them? Thanks!

Your friend is probably high on the drugs or doesn't actually know much about the hardware at all. I've never seen a benchmark of any kind that shows the 8350 being faster than a quad-core Haswell chip without leaving the Haswell chip at stock speeds and overclocking the living daylights out of the 8350. In MWO, that is especially true. The only person on these forums that thinks the 8350 is better is Bill Lumbar and I'm pretty sure he finally conceded defeat. There is a reason Intel chips are so highly recommended here, and it is not because we like to spend extra money for less performance.

Goose, those sites all have the same basic testing methodology for their thermal paste - put a half-pea dot on the heatsink, smoosh it down, and then hope to god it was applied the right way the first time so they can squeeze out some temperature numbers after running a benchmark. That is an awful methodology, and the reason a couple of sites decided to go very in-depth with their testing methodologies for similar "shoot outs". HardOCP and Benchmark Reviews both went into great detail with how they were testing and what they were testing for. In fact, HardOCP took it a step further in one way by testing using both "popular" application methods, then comparing the better of the two scores for each compound to see which ones performed the best and which method seemed to work best. In addition, HardOCP recognized the curing time on various pastes while BR dealt with the settling of various compounds by making sure each one is properly mixed before application. In-depth methodology > squirt, smoosh, lollercoasters

[TheSilken]

And the Memory wired?

Edit: Oh and can you please add your changes to the final build? Thanks!

Edited by TheSilkenPimp, 02 January 2015 - 03:26 PM.

[Flapdrol]

TheSilkenPimp, on 02 January 2015 - 02:57 PM, said:

He is saying that this CPU has double the power of the Intel one up above. Now I know that it's AMD and so it's single thread strength is weaker but it also has double the cores. It's also significantly cheaper. He also said that the memory that he is planning on getting is better too. Can I get a rundown on them? Thanks!

Mwo's performance doesn't scale well with core count, it wants fast cores. Almost no game scales well above 4 cores, which is why an i5 almost always outperforms an FX.

If your friend is building it for games he should reconsider the cpu.

Memory doesn't have a big effect on performance unless you run a really high overclock, then agian you can overclock memory too.

Edited by Flapdrol, 02 January 2015 - 03:28 PM.