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[Mardek]

just trowing my 2 cent
I saw a lot of topics about the Tbolt and i see a lot of ppl blaming clan pilots or clan for having the timber or the stormcrow.
Now i can say that those 2 clan mech should be toned down a bit BUT the other must be buffed because they are nearly unplayble in comparison to those 2.
About the Tbolt i love the chassis BUT the 9S its OP, pgi need to reduce the heat quirk from 50% to 30% at least.
No OPnerf post would have been written if that quirks were on the Awesome (still 50% its a bit too much IMHO)

sorry 4 bad english.

[Tasker]

If any mech should have the TBolt's quirks, it should be the Awesome. The Awesome needs 'em.

[Necromonger Commander]

I am trying to understand this deluge of whine spam on the 9S. Can someone please post a vid or link to a twitch that shows TDRs really blasting someone?

[Bellum Dominum]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 January 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

not when all but the barrels are hidden behind terrain. And when it's not defilade sniping you tend to be getting shot by 4-8 of them..... so no dice.

Thanks for playing though.

Maybe not for you. Thanks for helping to make this game I play way too much happen.

[Deathlike]

Ultimatum X, on 08 January 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

We reap what we sow.

This next comment isn't directed at you, this is from 10 or 11 months of posting on these forums.


These forums begged for PPCs to die.

They wanted ballistics to be nerfed. Some STILL want ballistics to be nerfed.

We deserve what we have now, and we all get to suck on laser vomit all day every day with competitive options only existing on a handful of outliers or niche mechs because these forums are full of myopic, short sighted man-babies.

I only think we need a minor tweak to the ERPPC heat quirk on Thunderbolt-9S. That's it.

Personally, I think PGI balance has an extreme tendency to not actually figure out what's wrong for months (more like half a year at least) before they change things. That's less to do with the players... but more to do with PGI's inability to figure out "there's something wrong" or ignorance to the matter "as long as those hero mechs get sold" which really makes these lopsided changes look like it's the community's fault, which is not where the blame pie should fully fall on.

[Joseph Mallan]

Ultimatum X, on 08 January 2015 - 10:43 AM, said:

I love when you do this.

Sometimes I just have to say the obvious!

[Frytrixa]

too much whine...

[Mirumoto Izanami]

Frytrixa, on 08 January 2015 - 12:28 PM, said:

too much whine...

Not enough fromage?

[Brody319]

Mirumoto Izanami, on 08 January 2015 - 12:32 PM, said:

Not enough fromage?

Omlette du fromage?

[Navid A1]

Ultimatum X, on 08 January 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

...
How much Armor can an Atlas have in it's STs?

Does it have enough armor there to run an XL?

No.


So do you give the Thunderbolts EVEN MOAR armor than that? How much do you give them to overcome their bad geometry so they can run XL?
...

Comparison of IS XL survivability with clans is something else.

Regarding Bad hitboxes and bad geometry:
You can not deflect projectiles coming at you. I don't think a timber or HBR can do that.

you want to know how much more armor?... take an IS XL friendly mech, analyze it in a pool of 50+ games by the percentage of hit distribution between its 3 torso hitboxes and apply damage reduction to STs until you reach your desired survivability.

You justify giving a new weapon (ERPPC with 50% less heat is a new weapon) to a mech due to bad hitboxes. Bad Hitboxes has its own solution... its not bad hitboxes that causes your mech to be shot at.
And i don't think 3xERPPC TDRs run XLs btw.

Ultimatum X, on 08 January 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

...
Are you saying that Hellbringers can't mount PPFLD?

Or are you saying that Hellbringers can't be as good at it as a Thunderbolt and all of their other advantages over Thunderbolts aren't enough to make you happy?

How hard do Hell Bringers need to totally dominate Thunderbolts then because if they had equal damage out put the Thunderbolt would clearly be the inferior mech.
...

Take a (somewhat) realistic 12 second engagement window (engagement window depends on ones playstyle). An HBR can shoot its dual ERPPC 4 times for a total of 80 damage for 33.48/85.2 heat while being partially exposed (in order not to hit the ground). In the same time window, a TDR can put out 150 for 46.92/73.4 heat while being minimally exposed.

tell me how much ECM can save the HBR?


(you can check the numbers in case i made any mistakes)

Edited by Navid A1, 08 January 2015 - 09:02 PM.

[Gallowglas]

How can we be at 47 pages without one single post showing hard evidence of any sort of a statistical skew?

Oh, wait...it's the MWO forums. My bad.

[Necromonger Commander]

Im calling a WWAAAAAMBULANCE!

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

In the end mass ppc play with counter rush tactics is just really really boring.

At least skirmish is pretty fun still.

[Necromonger Commander]

Mcgral18, on 08 January 2015 - 02:47 PM, said:

Aw, the poor baby wants to keep his 7.5 heat ERPPCs.

Project much baby?

[Koniks]

Since this thread will get buried sooner or later:
For the record, I'd like this game to have the kind of balance where the stock Summoner loadout isn't laughably bad.

[Deathlike]

Hai guys,

There's a Thunderbolt-9S sale starting tomorrow. Let's see the experiment go through its course.

[Sable]

The thunderbolt has stopped me completely from playing CW. The instant PPC hits from extreme range is why i stopped playing before. It's not fun or good for the game. They fixed it once why would they just give it back to one mech in particular? Do we really have to wait another 6 freakin months for them to realize it again?

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Sable, on 08 January 2015 - 05:13 PM, said:

The thunderbolt has stopped me completely from playing CW. The instant PPC hits from extreme range is why i stopped playing before. It's not fun or good for the game. They fixed it once why would they just give it back to one mech in particular? Do we really have to wait another 6 freakin months for them to realize it again?

Oh, someone else who remembers the last ppc experiment. I remember when the medium laser went extinct and the ppc became the default weapon of choice.

[Gyrok]

Gallowglas, on 08 January 2015 - 01:55 PM, said:

How can we be at 47 pages without one single post showing hard evidence of any sort of a statistical skew?

Oh, wait...it's the MWO forums. My bad.

Ironically one such post was immediately before this one...

[LordJops]

Sable, on 08 January 2015 - 05:13 PM, said:

The thunderbolt has stopped me completely from playing CW. The instant PPC hits from extreme range is why i stopped playing before. It's not fun or good for the game. They fixed it once why would they just give it back to one mech in particular? Do we really have to wait another 6 freakin months for them to realize it again?

As if that typical Clanner firing line behind the walls with their enhanced energy weapons was a pure joy to fight against. Yes, by all means gut one inner sphere advantage