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[TheSteelRhino]

This is EPIC. A CLANNER with lighter weight weapons, longer range, XL engines that dont instantly kill ur mech if u lose a side torso, smaller double Heat sinks, targetting computers, is complaining about an IS mech being too powerful.
I think the problem is that other Is mechs need to be buffed up a bit.
There are only certain ones that compete well vs clans right now

Unless u want to nerf some of that clan tech.

And dont tell me u paid x for clan me hs so they shoul be superior. Thats pay 2 win and I paid for IS mechs

iS needs to be competitive otherwise it will be nothing but timber wolves and stormcrows with a few other clan mechs thrown in

Edited by Rhinehardt Ritter, 08 January 2015 - 05:35 PM.

[LordJops]

Rhinehardt Ritter, on 08 January 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

This is EPIC. A CLANNER with lighter weight weapons, longer range, XL engines that dont instantly kill ur mech if u lose a side torso, smaller double Heat sinks, targetting computers, is complaining about an IS mech being too powerful.
I think the problem is that other Is mechs need to be buffed up a bit.
There are only certain ones that compete well vs clans right now

Unless u want to merf some of that clan tech.

Can't believe I find myself agreeing with a Davion but you are totally right.

If anything, balancing should be an issue of logistics, that is, a ratio favoring IS per drop considering that there are less overpowered clannars against weaker IS that are greater in number. I believe that falls in line with the MW story arc

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

LordJops, on 08 January 2015 - 05:27 PM, said:

As if that typical Clanner firing line behind the walls with their enhanced energy weapons was a pure joy to fight against. Yes, by all means gut one inner sphere advantage

Rhinehardt Ritter, on 08 January 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

This is EPIC. A CLANNER with lighter weight weapons, longer range, XL engines that dont instantly kill ur mech if u lose a side torso, smaller double Heat sinks, targetting computers, is complaining about an IS mech being too powerful.
I think the problem is that other Is mechs need to be buffed up a bit.
There are only certain ones that compete well vs clans right now

Unless u want to merf some of that clan tech.

Good God, this isn't about "We want clan uber powerful nerf all IS now devvv!"

Seriously you guys on here who keep commenting on this need to just be quiet.

Just because I have a clan flag does not mean I hate IS or want them to not be able to fight back. I have just as many IS mechs as I do clan, please note my phoenix tag.

Most people, including many IS players, do not like the devolution of the game into PPC spam which we seem to have to go through every 6 months when the dev decides to start messing around with the weapon again in extreme ways.

Buff the IS on range, its needed. Give them laser range perks instead of the ppc quirk enmasse, this weapon is a bad bad thing to buff in an extreme manner.

Edited by Blueduck, 08 January 2015 - 05:36 PM.

[LordJops]

Blueduck, on 08 January 2015 - 05:35 PM, said:

Most people, including many IS players, do not like the devolution of the game into PPC spam which we seem to have to go through every 6 months when the dev decides to start messing around with the weapon again in extreme ways.

I can understand this, but PPC is only really effective as a sniping weapon. If PPC is able to break up firing lines at a distance, then what is the problem? The weapon is functioning exactly as it was designed. Boating ppcs comes at a great cost, particularly where brawling is concerned.

[TheSteelRhino]

What do u expect when a 47 page thread starts out that one of the only IS mechs capable of taking on the clans is called "bad"

How a out a suggestion to get more variety than making it a "negative thread". Sorry but I call BS.

Buff other IS mechs up more with quirks and u will see more variety
And I only run 1 tbolt 9s with 2 erppcs in cw. Usually i also run grif, shad, 4g or wvr.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

LordJops, on 08 January 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:

I can understand this, but PPC is only really effective as a sniping weapon. If PPC is able to break up firing lines at a distance, then what is the problem? The weapon is functioning exactly as it was designed. Boating ppcs comes at a great cost, particularly where brawling is concerned.

On boreal it doesn't break up the line, in cores the mechs as they come through due to the rate the tbolt can fire it. This would be a non-issue with even a huge laser boost.

This is why the ppc is a terrible terrible weapon to boost like they have done. I would be just as opposed if they gave the summoner and warhawk the same boost.

Its the reason why we gave the gauss a charge and the ppc boosts and then nerfs.

It is a very very broken weapon in its present state on the Tbolt. Again though, I do feel the IS mechs need more range perks but they should be lasers and toned down ppcs boosts.

Rhinehardt Ritter, on 08 January 2015 - 05:42 PM, said:

What do u expect when a 47 page thread starts out that one of the only IS mechs capable of taking on the clans is called "bad"

How a out a suggestion to get more variety than making it a "negative thread". Sorry but I call BS.

Buff other IS mechs up more with quirks and u will see more variety
And I only run 1 tbolt 9s with 2 erppcs in cw. Usually i also run grif, shad, 4g or wvr.

I agree completely. I hated it when the clans would simply roll IS mechs on the huge maps. Its not fair but the weapon to boost is the laser or the ppc to a minor extent. And it should be for the entire IS arsenal, not just 1 IS mech.

[Davers]

LordJops, on 08 January 2015 - 05:35 PM, said:

Can't believe I find myself agreeing with a Davion but you are totally right.

If anything, balancing should be an issue of logistics, that is, a ratio favoring IS per drop considering that there are less overpowered clannars against weaker IS that are greater in number. I believe that falls in line with the MW story arc

The 'story arc' is dead. It dies the minute the IS got unlimited access to tier 2 equipment. Who cares that Comstar has a few regiments with DHS stated away somewhere? There is no reason for a Battle of Turkeynecks (or whatever the planet is called) because we have those mechs right here and now.

[Necromonger Commander]

Blueduck, on 08 January 2015 - 05:16 PM, said:

Cry More Blueduck...Your tears are delicious...

Edited by Necromonger Commander, 08 January 2015 - 06:24 PM.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Necromonger Commander, on 08 January 2015 - 06:22 PM, said:

Cry More Blueduck...

is not ;___; learn to see noob

[Necromonger Commander]

Mizeur, on 08 January 2015 - 04:08 PM, said:

Since this thread will get buried sooner or later:
For the record, I'd like this game to have the kind of balance where the stock Summoner loadout isn't laughably bad.

Lets hope its buried sooner than later. I have asked for some shred of video evidence of this TDR bullshite and received none.

[R Razor]

Blueduck, on 08 January 2015 - 05:35 PM, said:

Good God, this isn't about "We want clan uber powerful nerf all IS now devvv!"

Seriously you guys on here who keep commenting on this need to just be quiet.

Just because I have a clan flag does not mean I hate IS or want them to not be able to fight back. I have just as many IS mechs as I do clan, please note my phoenix tag.

Most people, including many IS players, do not like the devolution of the game into PPC spam

And a good percentage of us don't like the Crow / Timbercrutch spam it's become since the release of Clans either but we have to deal with it so maybe you guys doing all of the complaining about the 9S should do the same.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

R Razor, on 08 January 2015 - 06:35 PM, said:

And a good percentage of us don't like the Crow / Timbercrutch spam it's become since the release of Clans either but we have to deal with it so maybe you guys doing all of the complaining about the 9S should do the same.

I do hate it as much as you! I hate the fact people can take out 3 stormcrows and TW and rush the generators everytime. Its just as boring and bogus as the Tbolt ppc garbage.

[storm0545]

here's a solution just limit the thunderbolt 9s to two er ppcs max and viola then it just comes down to a player skill issue and not "he had 3 erppcs issue"

[Will9761]

I fought this mech and see why people dislike the variant. But personally, it is best to study the 9S rather than complain about it. It is pretty irritating hearing how people say this "mech is OP" or "that mech is OP". This is one of those topics that get on my nerves. Especially when trying to play CW. I can't find people to play with because of these stupid topics.

Things to do:
1. Get the Thunderbolt and configure it
2. Test how the mech works
3. If you have friends or unit mates(with premium), practice fighting this mech in private matches.

Just study how the mech works and find tactics, not complain.

If I wanted to whine about this mech and offer vendettas to PGI, I'd play "Forumwarrior" not "Mechwarrior".

Edited by Will9761, 08 January 2015 - 08:02 PM.

[Navid A1]

LordJops, on 08 January 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:

I can understand this, but PPC is only really effective as a sniping weapon. If PPC is able to break up firing lines at a distance, then what is the problem? The weapon is functioning exactly as it was designed. Boating ppcs comes at a great cost, particularly where brawling is concerned.

Care to explain what is that great cost you speak of?
Its not heat...is it?...no it can't be... .

Necromonger Commander, on 08 January 2015 - 06:29 PM, said:

Lets hope its buried sooner than later. I have asked for some shred of video evidence of this TDR bullshite and received none.

Do you play the game in CW?
There are hours of live videos there.

Rhinehardt Ritter, on 08 January 2015 - 05:42 PM, said:

What do u expect when a 47 page thread starts out that one of the only IS mechs capable of taking on the clans is called "bad"

How a out a suggestion to get more variety than making it a "negative thread". Sorry but I call BS.

Buff other IS mechs up more with quirks and u will see more variety
And I only run 1 tbolt 9s with 2 erppcs in cw. Usually i also run grif, shad, 4g or wvr.

I don't remember any clans being around when 6 PPC stalkers were having a party. Tell me why there is no 6 PPC stalkers these days?...
It's not about the clans. That 1 variant is hugely over-quirked against anything. As was the 6 PPC stalker.

And i'm not even mentioning broken HSR on IS lights...you know.. those little things that soak more damage than an atlas and move above 150 km/h.


These people. And when we ask for buffs for adders, novas, summoners, Ice ferrets and gargoyles... the response is no. why?... because clans man.... claaannsss... you hear me?... clans....

Give the 85 ton warhawk the same quirks as the 9S then we will see who's gonna be laughing. Seriously... based on your logic a warhawk with 30% (nah...not even 50%) ERPPC heat reduction would be "fine".

[Gallowglas]

Gyrok, on 08 January 2015 - 05:16 PM, said:

Ironically one such post was immediately before this one...

Fair enough. I don't think that post was there when I started typing, but I'll give you that one.

You're talking about a comparison with a mech that comes with ECM as part of the prime omnipod (which also sports the energy hardpoints), which also counts for quite a bit. I'm also not sure why the HBR necessarily has to fully expose itself to fire its PPCs while the TDR does not. The HBR can mount all three in its torso. Maybe I'm missing something though.

All that said, I do appreciate factual and statistical analysis as opposed to pages upon pages of complaints without any hard evidence. I would like to see someone drop in the 9S and show us some skewed games that they can't perform with another chassis. I'm sure there are a few players who can, but I'm willing to bet that their numbers aren't a huge divergence from what they're doing in other chassis.

Edited by Gallowglas, 08 January 2015 - 08:23 PM.

[Navid A1]

Gallowglas, on 08 January 2015 - 08:19 PM, said:

...
I'm also not sure why the HBR necessarily has to fully expose itself to fire its PPCs while the TDR does not. The HBR can mount all three in its torso. Maybe I'm missing something though.
...

My mistake. you are right. it's not gonna be that much exposed. But again even those are lower in comparison with TDR

(replaced completely with partially)

Edited by Navid A1, 08 January 2015 - 08:25 PM.

[meteorol]

35% Cbill sale on the TDR 9S this friday.

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You have seen nothing yet.

[Sarlic]

Smart move. PGI want to gather more data before adjusting it.

[Wildstreak]

I would suggest anyone with a 5SS try the same build the 9S' use, 5SS has the same Energy points minus 1 in the arm and lower quirks, comparing the 2 would give people guessing any reductions a better idea on what they like. Heat bonus is worse but cooldown is better though close and you trade velocity buff for a range buff.