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[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

El Bandito, on 04 January 2015 - 11:33 PM, said:

Plenty of people talk about the Timbie, and I personally want it nerfed as well. Guess you just selectively read threads.

Appearently not in those QQ thunder ppc threads. And yes i dont have the time to camp on the forums like you

Vxheous, on 04 January 2015 - 11:36 PM, said:

People used to say the same thing when going up against.4 PPC hill humping Stalkers, or the 6 PPC hill humping stalkers prior to ghost heat and damage taken while overheating, and they were all nerfed by PGI. The thunderbolt 9s is no different then those situations.

It is because you dont do high pinpoint dmg. Stakers used to do 60! pinpoint dmg with the ppcs

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 04 January 2015 - 11:39 PM.

[Brody319]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 04 January 2015 - 11:37 PM, said:

Appearently not in those QQ thunder ppc threads. And yes i dont have the time to camp on the forums like you


It is because you dont do high pinpoint dmg

Who would have guessed people would have talked about nerfing the 9S in threads labelled "Thunderbolt needs a nerf" "the thunderbolt 9S" "Nerf the 9S". I just thought they were talking about the Urbanmech

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Brody319, on 04 January 2015 - 11:38 PM, said:

Who would have guessed people would have talked about nerfing the 9S in threads labelled "Thunderbolt needs a nerf" "the thunderbolt 9S" "Nerf the 9S". I just thought they were talking about the Urbanmech

you missed the point.. we were arguing about timbers. and i said i dont see nerf the timber in the Qq ppc thuder threads.

Even with your timbers weakness points you came up iam not convinced. It still remains to be the best mech in game. Why nerf the 9s but not the "best mech" in game?

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 04 January 2015 - 11:42 PM.

[Kilo 40]

"STOP NERFING THINGS"


what a great title. I agree 100%. I wonder what the OP has to say...

daxiazun, on 04 January 2015 - 09:43 PM, said:

Because people whine and complain about a weapon does not mean you have to nerf it. The people complaining about the PPC are the same people who LRM spam!!! Not to mention they run clan mechs which as far as the rest of MWO states, are way more powerful them IS mechs period.

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The clan mechs still have the scale for power.

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This game is not supposed to be completely one sided so the clans may dominate while the rest just suffer.

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Well PPC is talent shot , takes skill. LRMs do not.

oh...just a sneaky "clans are OP!"/LRM whine thread. never mind....

[Monkey Lover]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 04 January 2015 - 11:30 PM, said:

but how to measure which mech belongs to the top 25% According to some ppl the timber is even no godmode mech but the thunder 9s is

We wouldn't be able to do it but pgi has the stats. They should be able to compare the kill ratio, death ratio, damage done and damage taken of thousands of players and matches.


These stats are not perfect and this is why I say we should go slow and take time in-between each adjustment.

In the end we will never have a real balance and I am happy for this. I want a reason to take one mech over another. I don't want 50 shells of the same mech.


I can tell you right now the timber and crow would be in the top 25% and the nova and summoner would be on the bottom .9s I can see being in the top 25% but the catapult has to be close to he bottom.

[Vxheous]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 04 January 2015 - 11:37 PM, said:

Appearently not in those QQ thunder ppc threads. And yes i dont have the time to camp on the forums like you


It is because you dont do high pinpoint dmg. Stakers used to do 60! pinpoint dmg with the ppcs

Well, the Thunderbolt can now do 20+10, 20+10, 20+10, 20+10, 20+10, oh look, my heat is finally 70%....

[Brody319]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 04 January 2015 - 11:41 PM, said:

you missed the point.. we were arguing about timbers. and i said i dont see nerf the timber in the Qq ppc thuder threads.

Even with your timbers weakness points you came up iam not convinced. It still remains to be the best mech in game. Why nerf the 9s but not the "best mech" in game?

I see a lot of people crying out "This is all we have to fight the timberwolf!" and "If you nerf the 9S then nerf the timberwolf"

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Vxheous, on 04 January 2015 - 11:42 PM, said:

Well, the Thunderbolt can now do 20+10, 20+10, 20+10, 20+10, 20+10, oh look, my heat is finally 70%....

nah you over exeggerate a bit. When chain fireing it shoots like 9 in row.. less and more depending on maps.

And its still no pinpoint dmg larger than 30 which is dual gauss level

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 04 January 2015 - 11:47 PM.

[MauttyKoray]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 04 January 2015 - 11:33 PM, said:

No they exclusively nerfed jumpjet sniping in first place. Which i love. A trash chassy like the awesome can ppc all day long no one would ever complain.

Speaking of that...

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Brody319, on 04 January 2015 - 11:43 PM, said:

I see a lot of people crying out "This is all we have to fight the timberwolf!" and "If you nerf the 9S then nerf the timberwolf"

No, in those thread i get the feeling that mainly clanners are annoyed by the thunderppc in cw matches. So why not nerf their wonder child aswell?

[Vxheous]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 04 January 2015 - 11:45 PM, said:

nah you over exeggerate a bit. When chain fireing it shoots like 9 in row.. less and more depending on maps

On a hot map, you can do it 4 times. On the Canyon map, you can shoot as I have described (just spectated someone doing this not an hour ago). On a mildly cold map (alpine) firing 2 ERPPC's sends your heat up 10%, so you could actually fire 20 ERPPC before overheating. I do not have approximate numbers for Frozen City, but seeing as the temp is -85*C, you could fire more than the 20 shots that alpine allows for sure.

Edited by Vxheous, 04 January 2015 - 11:49 PM.

[Kilo 40]

MauttyKoray, on 04 January 2015 - 11:45 PM, said:

Speaking of that...

wow

[Brody319]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 04 January 2015 - 11:46 PM, said:

No, in those thread i get the feeling that mainly clanners are annoyed by the thunderppc in cw matches. So why not nerf their wonder child aswell?

There is a difference between nerfing and fixing. I feel the only thing the timberwolf needs is reworked hitboxes. Its already running an engine way to big for my tastes, and hardwired JJs. Really I think people are making it a lot harder than it needs to be. Shoot the shoulders, they lose half their firepower and you can hit the CT easily.

[Vxheous]

Brody319, on 04 January 2015 - 11:50 PM, said:

There is a difference between nerfing and fixing. I feel the only thing the timberwolf needs is reworked hitboxes. Its already running an engine way to big for my tastes, and hardwired JJs. Really I think people are making it a lot harder than it needs to be. Shoot the shoulders, they lose half their firepower and you can hit the CT easily.

The laser vomit Timberwolf does not have any shoulder missile pods to shoot at. A bigger problem is the HSR while jumpjets are being constantly tapped, and damage does not register on the Timberwolf. Fix that, and the default hitboxes will be fine.

[Brody319]

Vxheous, on 05 January 2015 - 12:10 AM, said:

The laser vomit Timberwolf does not have any shoulder missile pods to shoot at. A bigger problem is the HSR while jumpjets are being constantly tapped, and damage does not register on the Timberwolf. Fix that, and the default hitboxes will be fine.

Aim at the Shoulders. They are still ******* huge. I mean shooting at them or where they meet the body is still ST.

[LameoveR]

I dream of the end of the holidays, when all the whiners finally hide themselves in the comfort of their offices.

[Lily from animove]

to balance you need to nerf, no balance is perfect, sometimes you balance too much into a good direction, and then you need to nerf it, otherwise you will only always buff. and then what? one day even a Small laser will one shot an assault mech at 1000m

balance requires both, nerfs and buffs.

Mcgral18, on 04 January 2015 - 09:46 PM, said:

How about PGI tries to implement things in a not totally insane way.

Half heat? Goddamned ridiculous. You'd be insane to think that wouldn't be touched.


Of course, most people want to defend their easy mode. If it's 40%, I think most people would be appeased. If it's under30%, it would be too much of a nerf.

Anyone crying for more than that needs to take a long hard look at the stats.

some poeple have a horrible objective judgement in stats, and some can't even be objective. Thats why balancing is hard especially when many in the community don't have an idea about this.
But its hard for people taking cuts, and so people will hardly undertsand why nerfs are necessary.

Brody319, on 04 January 2015 - 11:43 PM, said:

I see a lot of people crying out "This is all we have to fight the timberwolf!" and "If you nerf the 9S then nerf the timberwolf"

that is something that should have been done long ago, the TBR and the SCR are out of scale amongst their classes. trying to balance other stuff to their niveau is not possible without changeing the game into something it should not be.

Edited by Lily from animove, 05 January 2015 - 04:10 AM.

[Flaming oblivion]

Here at the facts

Lrms are extremely underpowered vs other weapon systems far to many counters rely on a decent team , Will flat out lose to any other system barring mg's in LoS unless the other pilots bad.

You either have to buff lrms severely , Or flat out nerf pinpoint damage.

Its that simple.

[Alistair Winter]

So... just keep buffing stuff ad infinitum, and if you accidentally make one thing too powerful, just keep buffing all the other stuff? The Thunderbolt 9S isn't OP, its pilots just suddenly got better?

No, I don't think you really thought this through.

[Joseph Mallan]

Don't worry. The 9S will soon be Nerfed into obscurity. I bought one.