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[Mcgral18]

Vassago Rain, on 07 January 2015 - 09:03 AM, said:

It's good I have mastery over every IS mech, except jenners and dragons. Otherwise, you might have some kind of point there.

Then again, probably not, since you're the one crying that your clan robots magically, despite always totally being driven by far superior pilots, with superior elos, and superior experience, can't beat a slow, hugely oversized walking barn.

At least now I know why they gave you guys those terrible warhorns and cute plastic toy color schemes.

So, you want your easy mode half heat, I see.

That's it. How nice.


You don't want to balance the out of line chassis'? You just want to power creep until no weapons ever generates heat?


Pretty ******* stupid.

Edited by Mcgral18, 07 January 2015 - 09:13 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

Mcgral18, on 07 January 2015 - 09:12 AM, said:

So, you want your easy mode half heat, I see.

That's it. How nice.


You don't want to balance the out of line chassis'? You just want to power creep until no weapons ever generates heat?


Pretty ******* stupid.

You seem to still not understand that I don't really play heavies. 90% of the time, I'm in assaults or my shadowhawks. I do have a 9S, and I was rocking that since it released. It's the only blunderbolt I kept, because it had twin AMS and looks cool.

Dat dougram design, man.





And like they've all said repeatedly. You just discovered it? You guys. Clanners, plz. What rock were you hiding under for the past month?

Oh, that's right, you were farming ggeasies and ggcloses against pubs who dared to go up against your mighty clan gundams. Now you're getting rocked by the comp units, who are bringing the thunder to your door, so to speak.

Too bad you never learned how to play the game, or you might have figured out how to deal with a deformed IS PPC boat.

Edited by Vassago Rain, 07 January 2015 - 09:20 AM.

[Mott]

Try this for giggles Clanners, when you rush and force a brawl versus these terrifying mechbeasts you call TDR-9Ss, watch them all bunch up and start tossing ERPPC shots into their teammates' backs since their RA mounted ERPPCs are alllllllll the way on the other side of their mech from their cockpit and they lose track of that fact under pressure.

Had a match on Bog last night where just such a rush forced just such a fustercluck and our opponents had 2 accidental TKs just as i described.

Oh the lolz.

[Whiteagle]

MoonUnitBeta, on 07 January 2015 - 08:04 AM, said:

The more you guys complain about something OP, the more popular it gets.
The more popular it gets, the more you’ll see it and hate it.
And the more you hate it, the more people notice it and then complain about it.

Humans are like water, path of least resistance, always looking for the easy “I win” button.

Yes, this is one of the reason why I hate it when people try to force meta-builds on me.
They don't seem to realize that they:
A- Don't fit my play-style
Or
B- Are probably going to be the first thing that gets the Nerf bat anyways

I'm still a bit pissed of that my Duel AC2 very BRIEFLY became Meta after the Gauss Fire delay nerf and summarily itself got a range nerf.

Tolkien, on 07 January 2015 - 08:18 AM, said:

A tiny piece of the shoe has been put on the other foot - I'm sorry you're finding it uncomfortable but as an IS pilot it's hilarious to hear these complaints made by clanners.

Indeed...
Hell, I was one of the few IS who weren't claiming Clan Mechs were OP, just that they have longer default range and thus better able to take advantage of poor cover maps.
As I've had plenty of experience with, you really shouldn't have been complacent with your longer reach.

Tolkien, on 07 January 2015 - 08:29 AM, said:

Please don't discredit yourself further with such ludicrous comparisons to say a 3 ERPPC TDR-9S is a competent brawler.

To be fair, he could be confusing the three ERPPC Blunderbolts with the likes of my Mlaser TDR-9S: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4027444ad435810

[Vassago Rain]

Someone on RSI raised a valid point.

What you clan babbies are going through right now is exactly the same thing raven 3L elite pilots went through when they fixed the mech back in june 2013. You remember, I'm sure. They removed CT homing streaks, gave it leg hit boxes, revamped ECM... Basically, all the outright exploit mechanics and advantages it'd enjoyed for so long, that the people who drove the 3L had gotten incredibly used to, were suddenly stripped away.

You, just like them, are under the impression that you're awesome. You make the clan mechs awesome. That's what you think, but you've simply gotten used to having all the advantages. Now those advantages are being taken away, and you don't know how to deal with it.

[Mordin Ashe]

Oh this is funny, more IS players defending their unfair advantages...


(see what I did there? Changed my favorite sentence that "CLANS ARE OP" people use and turned it around. Does that means that Clans are finally in the opposite situation, needing buffs instead of constant nerfing?)

[Mott]

Mordin Ashe, on 07 January 2015 - 09:49 AM, said:

(see what I did there? Changed my favorite sentence that "CLANS ARE OP" people use and turned it around. Does that means that Clans are finally in the opposite situation, needing buffs instead of constant nerfing?)

Because of one mech?

Puhleeze... grow a pair and pretend to be the superior, fabricated warrior you're supposed to be.

IS needs AT LEAST 2 more ridiculously OP'd mechs before you can use our whine.

[bobF]

I'm actually debating subscribing to these various IS epeen threads. In a couple of weeks after all the tryhard groups have left FRR space due to boredom, and the Clan troll roll begins again in earnest, someone has to compile these threads into one post, and call it:

The Codex of Inner Sphere Hypocrisy

So, when IS begins to cry about OP mechs (like they were doing one week earlier) and unbalanced factions (like they were doing one week earlier) and the same forum warriors are pleading with PGI to do something and pan-handling for comp group drops to defend their space like worthless beggars, or dodging the front entirely (like they were doing one week earlier), we can have the handy Codex of IS Hypocrisy to link to. It will be linked and Clans can go "see? you guys were soooooo badass at one time, what happened to the madskillz? Just pull yourself up by the bootstraps and start stackin' that thundercheddar, baddies!"

It will be humorous, no doubt.

[pwnface]

This thread = TL:DR;

The thread title should be "Welcome to Community QQ Spam".

As an IS player who doesn't run a TDR-9S. Please stop being a damn crybaby every time you see someone running a new mech that kicks your butt.

[operatorZ]

Vassago Rain, on 06 January 2015 - 08:55 PM, said:

Please do cry some more that my slow, barn door sized heavy, that's almost as big as an assault, can actually fire 20 damage strikes at you from an acceptable range.

please tell me you did not draw that...please

[operatorZ]

Vassago Rain, on 07 January 2015 - 09:03 AM, said:

It's good I have mastery over every IS mech, except jenners and dragons. Otherwise, you might have some kind of point there.

Then again, probably not, since you're the one crying that your clan robots magically, despite always totally being driven by far superior pilots, with superior elos, and superior experience, can't beat a slow, hugely oversized walking barn.

At least now I know why they gave you guys those terrible warhorns and cute plastic toy color schemes.



It's because they know their audience. Overgrown babies seem to like flashing lights and loud noise.

you're wrong of course and way to much exaggeration but I must admit....

HE DOTH TROLL WELL........ I actually laughed at that pic...

Edited by operatorZ, 07 January 2015 - 10:33 AM.

[Mr G]

Vassago Rain, on 07 January 2015 - 08:56 AM, said:

Your 'awful' nova is far superior to our actual awful mediums. You've been spoiled by the holy trinity. If the IS had the vulture, we'd put it in every drop, but we don't, and it's wasted on you because 'well, it's not as good as a madcat!'

You guys have always been, and will always remain, a joke.

The IS has the shadowhawk, griffin and the hunchback. all three of which are really good mediums and are just as good as the stormcrow. The shadowhawk 2k with 3 er large lasers and the range extension module has an optimum range over 750 meters. the grey death, while a little hot, is a real terror in close combat with 4 mediums and an ac20. If you think that doesn't matter in cw then clearly you have no idea how useful legging enemy mechs is or how much that brawling loadout cleans up once you've broken into the base and softened the enemy up. The griffin 3M is also great at leggin and disabling mechs, especially those large spindly legs the storm crows have. the hunch back 4G, and 4P are also great at legging and cleaning up. don't look down on the IS mediums can be just as potent, they just aren't the super generalist that the stormcrow can be.

the problem most clan players seem to have is that they don't understand what the true strength of the clan mechs are. They are generalists, have similar loadouts and speeds. it is much easier to coordinate and push as clans on any map then it is as IS. Do they loose out a little in long range sniping against the 9s. sure it's a specialist. so don't try to beat it at it's game. use your speed, mobility and ease of coordination to push through and engage them at ranges that are better for you.

now is 50% heat reduction for ERPPCs a bit much sure. make it 40%, but it's not really game breaking or overwhelming. you just need to play better if you want to win.

the really funny thing about all this though is that you were warned that the ERPPC 9S is old news. There is indeed a new mech build which is easier to use, has longer range and has better overall dps at all ranges.

[Joseph Mallan]

Vincent V., on 06 January 2015 - 09:15 PM, said:

I just bought a Thunderbolt 9S, equipped it with heatsinks and 3 ER PPC's... We clansmen do not have anything that comes even close to this. 30 fire and forget pin point Alpha Strike? We need a Gauss Rifle for that.

And do not mention the ER Large Lasers. To get 11 damage from one of those you need to keep it pointed at that location for 1.5 seconds.

These things need a tweak indeed.

You have nothing that can fire 3 ERPPCs? That can hit for 30 pin points of damage and an addition 15 of splash? Are you sure?
Timber- You can pull the 3 SRM6 and ammo for 4 more Sinks.
Summoner
Hellbringer

3 Clan Heavies that can throw a 30 point Pin Point alpha with an added 15 splash damage... Can they do it as easily as a Thunderbolt... Not yet. But has PGI said Clans will never get perks?

[Basilisk222]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 January 2015 - 10:39 AM, said:

You have nothing that can fire 3 ERPPCs? That can hit for 30 pin points of damage and an addition 15 of splash? Are you sure?
Timber- You can pull the 3 SRM6 and ammo for 4 more Sinks.
Summoner
Hellbringer

3 Clan Heavies that can throw a 30 point Pin Point alpha with an added 15 splash damage... Can they do it as easily as a Thunderbolt... Not yet. But has PGI said Clans will never get perks?

all three will shut down on one alpha 3 erppc. I mean it's doable, but It's not a smart build.

I've seen a 4 ppc warhawk, I thought that was stupid.

Edited by Kilgorin Strom, 07 January 2015 - 10:41 AM.

[MechWarrior9376871]

Guess what you sad whining crying noobs. PGI read your bullshite and agrees with us that its bullshite. They have the numbers for the battles and the TDR obviously its not that impressive or they would have dialed it back like they did to the Firestarter.

Here is my honest advice....Learn to play and stop embarrassing yourselves.

Edited by 911 Inside Job, 07 January 2015 - 10:47 AM.

[hybrid black]

As someone that is in a unit that plays both sides here is what I see, yes the 9S is a strong mech in CW on the cold map very much so, is it anywhere near as strong on sulphur? no chance in hell, the problem is not the mech its self but how the maps are set up, when all 12 mechs can stand in one place and see both approaches to the generators that is a problem, there needs to be a little bit more tweaking on Boral.

It does not matter what side you are on Clan or IS if you stack a good team on Boral its next to impossible to win when you have to walk in 2-3 at a time getting hit by 12 people, so people all I ask is think about it, is it really the mech or the map set up?

Edited by hybrid black, 07 January 2015 - 10:53 AM.

[Monkey Lover]

Kilgorin Strom, on 07 January 2015 - 10:40 AM, said:

all three will shut down on one alpha 3 erppc. I mean it's doable, but It's not a smart build.

I've seen a 4 ppc warhawk, I thought that was stupid.

I almost never alpha my 9s. I chain fire for cover fire. My goal with my 9s is to keep the clans heads down so 12 mechs don't sit in a firing line and take us out. Most the time I hang back a little and shoot over the top of the mechs pushing in.

What I find funny is I have done this with er lasers . I could put out LOT more dmg but it didn't make a lot of noise and flashing so the clan mechs didn't care lol.

[Basilisk222]

Vassago Rain, on 07 January 2015 - 08:56 AM, said:

Your 'awful' nova is far superior to our actual awful mediums. You've been spoiled by the holy trinity. If the IS had the vulture, we'd put it in every drop, but we don't, and it's wasted on you because 'well, it's not as good as a madcat!'

You guys have always been, and will always remain, a joke.

Um, Awful? Really?

The Cicada a very fast decent kitted scout/escort, Hunchback a rediculously hardy brawler with impressive punching ability, The blackjack which is surprisingly good at poke, The Centurion which can carry serious punch with good survivability for its tonnage, The Griffin which is an AWESOME support mech with impressive jump and very servicable speed, and the ShadowHawk, which is just, really, really good.

You guys could field just mediums and probably do well in matches. They're faster than almost anything we have, they pack great punch and some of them hit like a truck.

Your mediums suck. What a joke. I play Griffins, If I had a IIC I'd pilot that and sell my stormcrow in a heartbeat.

The stormcrow may be good at everything sure, but it fails to hold up to a lot of the above's strengths. It's weakness is it isn't specialized. It CAN engage all round, but that limits it's poke at all ranges, it CAN support, but that leaves it vulnerable to brawling, it can brawl but engage it at range and it's useless. I can tell you, a good medium IS pilot (They're rare) are very very dangerous people. They're limited by tonnage, but i'm never surprised seeing mediums pull extremely high damage numbers because they can field heavy weapons and they can truck them fast where they are needed.

I LOVE mediums, and I'm so sad, my only real options are the ferret and the stormcrow. I like the ferret speed, and I like the stormcrows versatility, The Nova's too slow and too volatile.

You need to pilot more mediums.

[Joseph Mallan]

Mcgral18, on 07 January 2015 - 07:44 AM, said:

You can bring as many as 24 TWs, if you bring a bad robot.

Actually I cannot bring any Timber Wolves cause I'm Inner Sphere Loyalty, but my team could bring 24 Thunderbolts.

Kilgorin Strom, on 07 January 2015 - 10:40 AM, said:

all three will shut down on one alpha 3 erppc. I mean it's doable, but It's not a smart build.

I've seen a 4 ppc warhawk, I thought that was stupid.

I have a 6 PPC Dire in Smurfy that is insane.

[Basilisk222]

Monkey Lover, on 07 January 2015 - 10:52 AM, said:

I almost never alpha my 9s. I chain fire for cover fire. My goal with my 9s is to keep the clans heads down so 12 mechs don't sit in a firing line and take us out. Most the time I hang back a little and shoot over the top of the mechs pushing in.

What I find funny is I have done this with er lasers . I could put out LOT more dmg but it didn't make a lot of noise and flashing so the clan mechs didn't care lol.

And that's exactly what it's made to do. Meanwhile we've got people like "HEY SHOOT ME PLEASE" and you being the great host you are are just happy to oblige.

I have no issue at all with the 9s, I just hide behind stuff and ignore the thunderbolts there's plently of places to do so, but everyone likes sniping for some reason.

I'm glad you guys have made this more interesting for clanners, it's a fight now.