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[Bobzilla]

Could HSR be manipulated?

Could a vpn create artificial ping?


Just asking questions, not discussing cheating which would lock the thread.

[Darth Mech]

DJFrost, on 07 January 2015 - 12:14 PM, said:

My question is, are there measures in place to prevent cheating,

Answer: NO.

[Pjwned]

Darth Mech, on 07 January 2015 - 03:11 PM, said:

Answer: NO.

[citation needed]

[Murphy7]

AntiCitizenJuan, on 07 January 2015 - 12:38 PM, said:

I saw an aimbotter yesterday night in a CDA3C. It was obvious he was botting too.
Other than that one instance Ive never seen cheating ingame

"Aimbotting" is internetese for "someone is much better at this game than I am" more often than not.

I personally do not believe that there is an aimbot for this game - nor that there is much call for aimbotting with large targets that are relatively slow moving in most cases.

Most people who play this game are bad or at best mediocre (I am somewhere inbetween, on a daily sliding scale). Others who play this game are pretty damn good shots, both in my unit and in other units.

[Mawai]

I haven't seen anything like you describe though some of the effects could be chalked up to host state rewind though I don't think the client would draw the loss of a leg without a server side message.

If there is large enough lag between the clients then it can take a while for hits to register and damage be allocated.

One of the advantages of MWO is that it is server authoritative on EVERYTHING as far as I know. Mech movement, mech fire, mech weapon tracing, hit determination. The only input from the client is where your mech is going, where the weapons are aimed and when the trigger is pulled. The server then takes all of that into account for both firer and target and determines whether a hit occurred. Host state rewind maps the target position back to the time the firer pulled the trigger on his client to see whether a hit occurred. Depending mech speed, lag and packet loss ... the firing client may or may not have been drawing the target in exactly the correct position ... which can lead to poorer hit registration.

Anyway, as far as I know, the only hack that is really feasible for MWO is a client side aimbot that uses the actual game image to aim a shot at a particular part of the target geometry. However, every mech has a different geometry, lighting is fairly uniform, the hit boxes aren't the greatest (head might be hard to identify), both target and firer may be moving, each weapon has a different projectile speed ... so it would be challenging though not impossible and even if implemented it wouldn't necessarily make that much of a difference except perhaps in the case of holding lasers on a target.(It might also be possible to hack the textures to reskin the head into something recognizable by an aimbot ... i.e. constant strange color value that could be used for aiming ... but I am not sure how that could be done and a checksum on the source files could identify the issue pretty quickly ... though checksum code might also be hackable).

Edited by Mawai, 07 January 2015 - 03:26 PM.

[occusoj]

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Could a vpn create artificial ping?

Causing latency, jitter or packetloss doesnt require a VPN .
Doing that to gain some lagshield on the push of a button is entirely possible, but things like invincibility while your own shots hit perfectly fine shouldnt be so. Honestly, I think no one even does the former one.
What for? Hitreg is bad all on its own and once you spam JJs on certain mechs or go faster than 150kph theres a legal voidshield available.

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I personally do not believe that there is an aimbot for this game

There is. Posting a citation would get me banned though.
But then, AB isnt needed in MWO. Targets are huge, most are slow, your own mech is turn-rate limited and you have to lead the fast targets depending on latency even with lasers. Its pointless.
In thousands of drops I once saw one. Its was Cpt.Obvious at the command as he double-gauss killed my whole team on tourmaline from second 0 on through hardcover with 100% heatshots.

[Blacksoul1987]

Mudhutwarrior, on 07 January 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

There is cheating and to say other wise it folly. There are also bots here on the forums that jump on any thread containing certain words like cheating, synch drop etc. (see above this post)

Being said there isn't a lot of it. Did see the guy mentioned above or his brother as the founders on the other team reported him and he was on their team. Only other was a fs doing serious lag shield. He was called on it and discoed right after.

It really isn't a big problem as the old hands in the game know what to look for and jump on it. I usually don't have to.

What you describe in the opening post seems just like farmers taking advantage. They don't want a fight, they want c-bills.

Are you saying that DV is a bot? lol

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Mudhutwarrior, on 07 January 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

There is cheating and to say other wise it folly. There are also bots here on the forums that jump on any thread containing certain words like cheating, synch drop etc. (see above this post)

Being said there isn't a lot of it. Did see the guy mentioned above or his brother as the founders on the other team reported him and he was on their team. Only other was a fs doing serious lag shield. He was called on it and discoed right after.

It really isn't a big problem as the old hands in the game know what to look for and jump on it. I usually don't have to.

What you describe in the opening post seems just like farmers taking advantage. They don't want a fight, they want c-bills.

Last i checked, im pretty human.

[AntiCitizenJuan]

Murphy7, on 07 January 2015 - 03:19 PM, said:

"Aimbotting" is internetese for "someone is much better at this game than I am" more often than not.

I personally do not believe that there is an aimbot for this game - nor that there is much call for aimbotting with large targets that are relatively slow moving in most cases.

Most people who play this game are bad or at best mediocre (I am somewhere inbetween, on a daily sliding scale). Others who play this game are pretty damn good shots, both in my unit and in other units.

I've played the game long enough and aim well enough myself to know the guy cycling targets precisely and robotically was a ******* botter, dont patronize me.

Just because you've never seen one doesnt mean they're not there.

[Corwin Vickers]

I've seen lag in game but none as bad as the OP describes. OP should work on his internet probably.

One of the things that makes MWO great is the server side authority. It's also one of the things that make the game bad though most people don't even know what server side authority is.

So if you didn't know, server side authority means that what you see on your screen is not necessarily what happened. It's what you client predicts will happen and depending on your connection it may not be what really happened. The server has final authority on what really happened.

Server side authority also means that except as people have said about visual aimbots and lag manipulation, there isn't much success to be had with hacks. The server doesn't care that your client told it you were running twice as fast as you should be able to. It doesn't care that your client told it that it didn't get hit and you have 1 billion armor.

So on the one hand it's to blame for people thinking that they hit when they didn't and on the other it almost totally prevents the game turning into a cheat fest like so many other shooters out there.

[Blacksoul1987]

DV McKenna, on 07 January 2015 - 03:30 PM, said:

Last i checked, im pretty human.

whoever programmed you did a damn fine job I remember you bottin it up back in 2003ish in mw4

[Oderint dum Metuant]

AntiCitizenJuan, on 07 January 2015 - 03:31 PM, said:

I've played the game long enough and aim well enough myself to know the guy cycling targets precisely and robotically was a ******* botter, dont patronize me.

Just because you've never seen one doesnt mean they're not there.

Im not saying he wasn't.

But did you ever see the video of the one now extinct " alleged" aimbot?

I did.........and it was worse than the average pugs aim.

Blacksoul1987, on 07 January 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

whoever programmed you did a damn fine job I remember you bottin it up back in 2003ish in mw4

That was revision 1.1 version 1 was before that.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

In my 19,000+ drops, I've never seen an instance of aimbotting. I've only seen a few instances that were obvious texture/model modifications and a few instances that were sort of fishy in terms of extreme user.cfg modification (before they started clamping down on it, you could change EVERYTHING if you knew the correct documentation of CryEngine) or texture/model modifications.

Me thinks all the "that guy is cheating" is the bottom of Mount Tryhard meeting the top. Especially with CW.

I've been getting accused of botting or having LRM avoidance hacks a lot lately simply because I've met some REALLY bad players in CW. I mean... it's bad if you let me head cap you with five medium lasers and two LPLs.

[Blacksoul1987]

Aimbot's are easy to find with simple search and are usually sold or offered in subscriptions to various websites. A simple google search of MWO Aimbot will show videos as DV mentioned that are of terrible aim. and Forums on these websites users describe the aimbot as glitchy and unreliable at best. The aimbot cannot calculate projectile velocity(its in the disclaimer) The video shows the user using lasers and it doesn't use proper bone locking so it won't track the components properly unless they are facing straight at you, a skilled player will more accurately keep aim on your mechs ct than that aimbot will. This game is server authorized and as far as I am aware only pixel color detection aimbots work with server authentication and they can be disrupted easily by changing light conditions and shadows, etc...

TLDR; a simple google search reveals there is not a reliable aimbot for mwo. (doesn't necessarily mean people are not using it)

This thread will be locked soon btw.

[PurpleNinja]

DJFrost, on 07 January 2015 - 12:14 PM, said:

...I am almost ready to just uninstall.

These threads are getting old.

[Mudhutwarrior]

If you don't talk about it it doesn't exist.

If I remember my history many civilizations tried that too. Didn't work out to well for them. Actually watch the news and pay attention. You will get what I am saying pretty soon.

[Blacksoul1987]

Mudhutwarrior, on 07 January 2015 - 03:57 PM, said:

If you don't talk about it it doesn't exist.

If I remember my history many civilizations tried that too. Didn't work out to well for them. Actually watch the news and pay attention. You will get what I am saying pretty soon.

I'm not saying it doesn't exist i'm saying it looks like a useless piece of ****.

[occusoj]

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a simple google search reveals there is not a reliable aimbot for mwo.

Google isnt "the internet".

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If I remember my history many civilizations tried that too. Didn't work out to well for them. Actually watch the news and pay attention. You will get what I am saying pretty soon.

I ve been suspecting the media for a long time to ignore the secret reptiloid illuminati communist syncdroppers on purpose.
They are amongst us.

Theres nothing regarding aimbotting to ignore in MWO. Its extremely rare, pracitcally non existant.

[Zordicron]

There is cheating, but rampant is not the right word here hahaha.

I dunno aimbots- I know they exist, but I do not know how often they come up. Once in a while I will get a suspicion a team mate is up to no god, but mostly I do not feel aim bot is a serious problem on this game, right now.

As for the recovered leg, I HAVE personally seen this twice now, but the last time was well over 8 months ago now. It wasnt a leg, it was on a catapult. Twin gauss pult, on Tourmaline, taking fire from me and 2 other team mates. It was in brawl range. We had knocked it down to orange internals on CT. SUDDENLY, 100% CT armor. We just blew it all away again, it maybe bought that pult one more shot. I was watching paper doll and actually witness the armor restore itself. I also saw this with a Jagermech when they were first released, magic restoritive armor on the torsos.

So there is somthing going on, but it is not widespread at all, and certainly annoying but not somethign that is ruining the game for me, not at this point. I mean this is like maybe, err, I think counting my 2, less then ten instances i have read about, since early open beta. The armor thing I mean. First time I have heard about an entire limb restoring though.

As always, if it is super annoying to you, report the offending player and let support sort it out, then throw the match in the trash and move on with life and quit worrying about it.

[Blacksoul1987]

occusoj, on 07 January 2015 - 04:07 PM, said:

Google isnt "the internet".


I ve been suspecting the media for a long time to ignore the secret reptiloid illuminati communist syncdroppers on purpose.
They are amongst us.

Theres nothing regarding aimbotting to ignore in MWO. Its extremely rare, pracitcally non existant.

aimbots are easy to find people want to sell them if you don't like google then check facebook hacker forums websites. its not hard to track down at all so your comment is kinda silly.