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[Mudhutwarrior]

Violent Nick, on 08 January 2015 - 01:34 PM, said:

Ooh and they've been stupid enough to drop in with tags too! Yes!! A few less [of a faction I don't like] hopefully.. maybe..

If those running with him didn't report him they should get a ban too.

Edited by Marvyn Dodgers, 08 January 2015 - 05:36 PM.
Name and shame

[MoonUnitBeta]

AdamBaines, on 08 January 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

Read this: name and shame rules

You might want to clean your quote as well. He removed the name but it's still in your post.

[Cow And Chicken]

This is sad indeed.

Almost has a killing effect on this game for me.
Time for PGI to add some client side scanners for cheater apps in the client.

These guys are getting cbills at 3 times the rate then the rest of us. Which kinda
makes the $ value soar greatly.

I fear this has only just started :/ .....

C&C out...

P.S I personally think these guys dont fall under the "Name and Shame" rule. EVER.

Edited by Cow And Chicken, 08 January 2015 - 01:47 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Without a doubt, a pair of AC70s hurt.

If my math is right, anyhow. 50% base reduction, 12% modules, 5% fastfire:67% reduction, or 33% RoF.

Wait....18 shots in 10 seconds, per cannon? That makes it an AC90! Brutal.


Doesn't seem like cheating, glancing at the scoreboard. But I guess if it was suspicious, I didn't see it happen.

Edited by Mcgral18, 08 January 2015 - 01:47 PM.

[Roadkill]

Mcgral18, on 08 January 2015 - 01:46 PM, said:

If my math is right, anyhow.

It's not.

Mcgral18, on 08 January 2015 - 01:46 PM, said:

50% base reduction, 12% modules, 5% fastfire:67% reduction, or 33% RoF.

The way reductions are coded is as an increase to the cycle speed, otherwise known as Rate of Fire. So...

100% normal speed + 50% + 12% + 5% = 167% cycle speed, aka RoF, which means you get 67% more shots in during the same amount of time.

In order to figure out the new cycle time, you divide the old cycle time by the new ROF.

1.67 (normal AC/5 cycle time) divided by 1.67 = 1.00 second cycle time boosted.

An increase in cycle speed (aka Rate of Fire) by 67% means that the cycle time is reduced by 40%.

Edited by Roadkill, 08 January 2015 - 02:28 PM.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

The videos on YouTube are mostly old ones of a bot in CB that was terrible and couldn't aim any better than a new player.

As to this pilot report it let them look into it.
My gut feeling from the one screenshot you've posted is that your mistaken and underestimated that 1N...... It is a very very dangerous build it's DPS is so high that it kills in seconds... Mostly because players natural reaction is to twist and avoid fire without firing back... This is precisely why that Dragon with that rate of fire excells

[DarthPeanut]

Just an outside observation but if someone was aimbotting (which i am not sure could exist in this game) for cockpits and dropping people extremely quick per the op... wouldnt it be low dmg and high kill count.

Quirked Dragon I can see 14xx dmg and 6 kills happening.

Edited by DarthPeanut, 08 January 2015 - 02:41 PM.

[The Dreaded Baron B Killer]

I have encountered aimbot usage 1-2 times in total. and it was usually taken care of super quick.

However.. I have to say.. if this guy used an aimbot, most people that do tend to set them to headshot.

I appreciate that he got 6 kills seems like cheating... but the damage there would lead me to believe he wasn't using a hack.. I would think if something was aiming for him, he would have gotten 6 kills with maybe 500-800 damage... but a damage score that high leads me to believe that he is just a really good player who ***** slapped a bunch of lesser players. Maybe a higher ELO guy who created a new account to play against the lower ELO guys...

I've seen those kinds of players... once in a Spider (the dude got 6 kills and 1200 damage and won us the match single handed) and the same guy in a Jenner (7 kills 1400 damage). I've had lucky games too where I've gotten 5 kills and 1000 damage.

Not saying cheating didn't happen... but the higher damage score to me would indicate he just has a build capable of dishing out the pain, and had some good games.

[Lily from animove]

xiTzHale, on 08 January 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

lol. ok mate. I wish I had some video capture but I don't. There were 5 or 6 people on his own team calling him out! I've never seen cheating before, but dropping a lance in 10 seconds? Yeah.... alright mate.

downlaod bandicam

[HARDKOR]

I'd bring it up with his unit, if you are serious about this.

[Lily from animove]

Cow And Chicken, on 08 January 2015 - 01:45 PM, said:

This is sad indeed.

Almost has a killing effect on this game for me.
Time for PGI to add some client side scanners for cheater apps in the client.

These guys are getting cbills at 3 times the rate then the rest of us. Which kinda
makes the $ value soar greatly.

I fear this has only just started :/ .....

C&C out...

P.S I personally think these guys dont fall under the "Name and Shame" rule. EVER.

no client sided ****, every serious hacker can cheat the checkroutines of client sided stuff.

if any, go Faifight, it is server sided and checks behavior that is not able to be done by human motoriks, like superhuman reaction and accuracy. That is far more reliable and can not be cheated. it does howver not help vs wallhacks.

Edited by Lily from animove, 08 January 2015 - 02:50 PM.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

I am not going to say they were not cheating because I didn’t witness the game, but here are a couple of “legal” methods to produce the symptoms you were seeing.

1. torso twist macro. A single button will twist your mech almost instantly (not faster than the maximum twist speed of the mech, but generally faster than you can twist using a mouse). Additionally a second press will twist you back to the exact same targeting location, so you never have to hunt for your target. This give the illusion of auto-aim because the reticule goes back to the exact location it was, which is usually dead center on the target.

2. On-the-fly mouse sensitive adjustment. This one is very common, it allows players to crank up their mouse acceleration to move quickly across the screen then with a button press immediately shift to more precise (slower) movement over the target for smoother, more accurate shots. This can give the appearance of rapidly homing on a target and stopping dead center.

The blow-through damage is a bit of a mystery. The Dragon-1N with dual AC5’s is capable of doing 10 damage in slightly under 1 second (calculation I used is (1.66s base cooldown) / (1.00 + .50 <quirk> + .12 <cooldown> + .05 <fast fire>) = .99s cooldown. Which means it could take 12s just to penetrate the CT front armor and another 6s for internals on your Direwolf (assuming it was the only mech shooting you).

Edited by Agent 0 Fortune, 08 January 2015 - 03:11 PM.

[Dirkdaring]

xiTzHale, on 08 January 2015 - 11:41 AM, said:

He is being called out by players on both teams, and people on his team and spectating and saying his gameplay is very robotic and he transition's between targets after a kill are very, very quickly. He wiped out a lance (4 players) in one game in less than 10 seconds.

BS. Even if he hit their heads every shot it still couldn't be done in under 10 seconds.

People accused me of aimbotting all the time when I ran my 2xgausscat, before they nerfed the crap out of gaussrifles. I could hit jumping light mechs.

[Darzok]

I did not see the game and have not been in a game with him but i have to question if he is hacking or just good.

First of all Aimbotting would be of questionable use unless you stand and fight head on never twist and hardly move and in that case he would not need to use one in the first place.

Second Death cam is out of Sync by quite a lot so what you see is NOT what is going on so unless he is streaming it on say twitch you can not trust any one who says that there watching him cheat.

Third as some one has pointed out if he was using an Aimbot his damage would be low and kills high not the other way around.

Then we get to the last point dragon AC5 dakka is powerful as hell allowing people to kill steal and rack up massive damage with out to many problems IF there good players.

With the massive lack of any kind of proof of any kind wow a end score pic prove's NOTHING i can only say odds are he is just a good player using the mech and map and you are just mad he is better than you and so come whining to the forums shouting HAX.

That been said IF you are so sure just Email support and let them judge if he is hacking or not but i got a feeling its just a real good player using his dragon and the map well to rip apart bad players who are all crying HAX when killed by a better player.

Edited by Darzok, 08 January 2015 - 03:11 PM.

[LT. HARDCASE]

I don't know. Could just be that he ran into a DRG-1N pilot's fantasy: a team that lets him sit back and fire away. If he wasn't headshoting everyone, it's hard to chalk his performance up to an aimbot.

When you say, "his gameplay is very robotic and he transition's between targets after a kill are very, very quickly", what does that mean, exactly?

A person with good instincts, reflexes, and a high DPI mouse can swing the crosshairs around pretty quickly.

Edited by Kevjack, 08 January 2015 - 03:15 PM.

[LORD TSARKON]

Basically what I'm getting from this thread is...

.... god damn.... I'm buying a Dragon 1N!!!

EDIT: Here is a game on Terra Therma... we lost....

Guess I need to carry Harder??? Mech does well on hot maps

Its not Elited yet

Edited by LORD TSARKON, 08 January 2015 - 03:22 PM.

[Eboli]

If he is playing with 3 monitors it is amazing how much viewing angle you get with such a setup - basically around 180 degree angle.

After setting up 3 monitors I would never go back to just using one. Not quite sure what a Dragon's cockpit view is like though.

Cheers!
Eboli

[Necromonger Commander]

Report him to PGI. Should be pretty easy for them to pull the logs. If he never misses then its probably an aim bot. Of course even if it is how come none of you were shooting him?

[Necromonger Commander]

Lily from animove, on 08 January 2015 - 02:50 PM, said:

no client sided ****, every serious hacker can cheat the checkroutines of client sided stuff.

if any, go Faifight, it is server sided and checks behavior that is not able to be done by human motoriks, like superhuman reaction and accuracy. That is far more reliable and can not be cheated. it does howver not help vs wallhacks.

Ive seen quite a few "humans" with superhuman accuracy. I even had superhuman reaction times when I was a teen.

[Y E O N N E]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 08 January 2015 - 02:54 PM, said:

The blow-through damage is a bit of a mystery. The Dragon-1N with dual AC5’s is capable of doing 10 damage in slightly under 1 second (calculation I used is (1.66s base cooldown) / (1.00 + .50 <quirk> + .12 <cooldown> + .05 <fast fire>) = .99s cooldown. Which means it could take 12s just to penetrate the CT front armor and another 6s for internals on your Direwolf (assuming it was the only mech shooting you).

A Dragon 1N with dual AC/5 does 10 damage in one shot and always has. Did you mean 20 damage in under 1 second? Cool-down time is 0.581 seconds maxed out (100% - 65% = 35% = 0.35; 0.35 by 1.66 seconds is 0.581 seconds). That's consistent with what I've seen in the field. It only takes ~6 seconds of accurate fire to strip 104 points of front armor off of a 100 ton assault. It took about that long to blow out my lightly armor-damaged center torso in a Jagermech when I made the mistake of face-staring.