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[cSand]

All my mechs run heat neutral from all the nice cool tears around here

[MeiSooHaityu]

Taynak, on 10 January 2015 - 11:24 AM, said:

This is a call for both clan and innershpere.... the ppc's are everywhere... people are oping them and you have teams of 12 pugs with all ppc...

this game is just a pile of boring most of the time because of these imbalances... please fix this... would like to see more than one type of build out there..

Nope!

That was easy

[Zerstorer Stallin]

the op is wrong its not the weapon its the mech lab... stop being that idiot and start looking at the real issues FFS

[Aresye]

Taynak, on 10 January 2015 - 11:24 AM, said:

This is a call for both clan and innershpere.... the ppc's are everywhere... people are oping them and you have teams of 12 pugs with all ppc...

this game is just a pile of boring most of the time because of these imbalances... please fix this... would like to see more than one type of build out there..

PPCs and ERPPCs suck if you're anything other than an energy quirked IS mech or Clan mech with a > Lvl 5 targeting computer, and even then, they're just back to being, "somewhat viable." In all other cases (read: most mechs), PPCs and ERPPCs are already bad enough you can literally dodge them.

[Burktross]

Yeah dude, ******* +1 to that
Also, while we're on the topic, what about these "IS medium lasers" i've been seeing.
******' EVERYONE has em
Obviously something needs to change and fast

I'll write up a medlas nerf thread soon, be sure to look at it too

[MeiSooHaityu]

Aresye, on 11 January 2015 - 11:17 AM, said:

PPCs and ERPPCs suck if you're anything other than an energy quirked IS mech or Clan mech with a > Lvl 5 targeting computer, and even then, they're just back to being, "somewhat viable." In all other cases (read: most mechs), PPCs and ERPPCs are already bad enough you can literally dodge them.

Basically this.

Actually, I'm kind of bummed that PPCs and ERPPCs are so bad without quirks. I know the velocities are so slow to avoid the old high alpha strike syndrome, but the result has made the weapon so hard to use outside of a mech quirked with PPC/ERPPC velocity.

Its a blessing and a curse I suppose. In any case, the real problem in this thread isn't how OP the PPCs and ERPPCs are, but how good they are with certain mechs with certain quirks. Even then, we have to agree its actually a problem.

[DrSlamastika]

jezus . . . . another one, go back under your bridge troll.
I think you dont remember the times when PPCs was really sniper guns equivalent to gauss? They was already nerfed . . .

[Kiluj]

Don't know about IS ERPPCs, but Clan ones must be buffed. Too much heat for such small damage.

[Bishop Steiner]

Kiluj, on 11 January 2015 - 11:40 AM, said:

Don't know about IS ERPPCs, but Clan ones must be buffed. Too much heat for such small damage.

I use them just fine. (But admittedly only use 1-2 on any build)

But won't complain about less heat.

[Brody319]

If we are nerfing weapons based on their use

Medium lasers need a nerf
Large lasers/ER Large Lasers need a nerf
SRMs need a nerf
LRMs need a nerf
Gauss needs a nerf
AC5-20 need nerfs
UAC 5 needs a nerf


Lets just nerf everything till the only useful weapons is the machine gun, flamers, and Ac2.

[EvilCow]

Brody319, on 11 January 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

Lets just nerf everything till the only useful weapons is the machine gun, flamers, and Ac2.

No, nerf those too!!

[kapusta11]

PPC: 8 damage, 15 heat, 500 projectile speed
ERPPC: 13 damage, 20 heat, 650 projectile speed

Looks balanced enough?

[EvilCow]

kapusta11, on 11 January 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:

PPC: 8 damage, 15 heat, 500 projectile speed
ERPPC: 13 damage, 20 heat, 650 projectile speed

Looks balanced enough?

Yes, then add 87.34% quirks.

[kapusta11]

EvilCow, on 11 January 2015 - 11:52 AM, said:

Yes, then add 87.34% quirks.

Yeah, so that the only mechs that can use them would be Awesome and Thunderbolt! Oh wait...

[CocoaJin]

FupDup, on 10 January 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

This isn't a [ER]PPC problem, this is a problem with certain variants getting uber quirks. And some would argue that it's not much of a problem even then.

Seriously, is it really so bad for the game to have more valid weapon choices than just laser vomit?

[Stonefalcon]

Sounds like the OP needs a buff ('Software' Upgrade).

[Blood Rose]

OP do you even PPC?

Seriously, I have a hard time hitting anything other than a static target/large, slow moving Heavy/Assault coming directly towards me. PPC's are embarrassingly under powered at the moment. They desperately need a MASSIVE buff in there velocity.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Blood Rose, on 12 January 2015 - 01:41 AM, said:

OP do you even PPC?

Seriously, I have a hard time hitting anything other than a static target/large, slow moving Heavy/Assault coming directly towards me. PPC's are embarrassingly under powered at the moment. They desperately need a MASSIVE buff in there velocity.

They need a buff to velocity, but won't get it.

The PPC and ERPPC has seen a lot of buffs and nerfs. PGI can never find a good middle ground for the weapon. The reduced heat before and they were boated, they increased velocity, and Heavies and Assaults were using them for high alpha strikes. In between the buffs, the needs made them terribly ineffective.

Now we have ineffective PPCs and ERPPCs unless the mech has a velocity quirk. I think it is the best middleground we will see for a while. Its a shame, but the reality of the situation.

[Sgt Greyhawk]

Nerf Hammer < Quirk Hammer

[Taynak]

Wolfwood592, on 10 January 2015 - 02:39 PM, said:

A nerf huh? Wrong.

The overbuffed PPC quirk mechs are the issue. It is NOT the weapon, it is the silly thing called quirks that these devs cant seem to manage.

OK... to clarify... I actually agree with this... I don't necessarily think that the ppc or erppc itself needs a nerf... but the quirks need to be addressed....

and to clarify again... yes... i was in a match where literally the entire enemy team was nothing but ppc... and it was 3 - 4 mans... not in CW... even lights can have a ppc build now... Ravens for example...

and what ever quirks are making it so that i pop out and get my 60 point CT blown out in one shot with all the internals and all from one mech... yeah there is something wrong... when im doing 10-15 DPS and you kill me with 2 alphas..

It feels like the whole mechanics of the game are off... even elo seems off... we were told that it was supposed to make it so that you would be as close to 50-50 as possible... but instead i get one good match for every 5 bad...

and i don't really think any clan member has anything that they can say... last night was an absolute atrocity of LRM Hell... an absolute puke fest of LRM's from every clan mech i saw...