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[Bishop Steiner]

operatorZ, on 15 January 2015 - 09:23 AM, said:

Strange...

SRM average is 47%

UAC20 is 81%

and just like srms....uac20 counts the percent whether 1 pellet hits, or all.

[Metus regem]

Huh, that's almost funny to look at...

Most weapons are in the 45-55% range, the weapon that I seem to be the best shot with is the cERPPC... 80% hit rate (80.25% actually, but close enough)

[Widowmaker1981]

Seriously, these stats mean almost nothing, there seems to be no point trying to learn anything from them. Look at this:



There was a Large Pulse Laser equipped on all of those mechs bar ~80ish games on the Banshee (the amount i played it prior to quirks). The weapon stats screen shows 87 total matches, WTF.. its not just a little bit wrong, its missing at least 80% of the matches just looking at those 3 mechs.. and ive used LPLs on other mechs from time to time..

edit: typo

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 15 January 2015 - 09:43 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Roadkill, on 15 January 2015 - 09:13 AM, said:

This. All those high accuracy numbers that people have, especially with lasers, are pretty much bogus.

Damage Efficiency = potential damage (hits * listed weapon damage) / actual damage
Weapon Efficiency = Accuracy * Damage Efficiency

The numbers are somewhat messed up because PGI counts crit damage in your actual damage total, but I suppose that's reasonable. Ballistics, for example, will probably show your actual damage as being higher than it should be. I have 1855 hits with an AC/2 for 3986 damage, or 2.15 damage per hit from a weapon that's supposed to do 2.0. But I digress...

I've fired the Clan ER Medium laser 13381 times for 11632 hits and 47340 damage. That's 87% Accuracy, which doesn't sound too bad. Not great, either, but not too bad.

Except that with 11632 hits I should have done 81424 damage (7 damage per hit), not 47340. My Damage Efficiency is only 58%, which means my Weapon Efficiency with the Clan ER Medium is really only 50.5%.

Suddenly my 48% accuracy with the Clan LRM-5 and 56% accuracy with the IS SRM-6 start to look a lot better...

exactly

My Large Lasers, which are showing 81% Accuracy, only have put damage on target of 4.1 dmg every time I pulled the trigger
(5.15 for actual damage per hit)

My LB-10X, which shows a 66% accuracy, is 4.9 damage for every trigger pull (efficiency), or 7.4 dmg per actual hit.

And my HBKs weapon of choice, which I only post a 66% accuracy with (hey, never said I was good, lol) is efficient because it lays out 13.64 dmg for every time I have pulled the trigger (even more so because of course, pp-fld).

And that's the point of "efficiency" damage. Obviously, barring shoot throughs, and such, a pp-fld will do it s rated damage, every hit, but it lets you see how much damage you are actually averaging per trigger pull, or how effective your are being, per shot.

Mind you, I am woefully crappy with SRMs by any measure. (I tend to be a little spam happy with them )



Also, recall with missiles, it counts the total number fired, not how many times you pull the trigger.
% accuracy.For example, it shows 11,856 "shots" with my aSRM4. What that means, is I pulled the trigger 2964 rimes, averaging in this case, 4.33 damage for every trigger pull, or MORE than my 81% accuracy Large Laser. Despite having a "recorded" 48.8

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 15 January 2015 - 10:03 AM.

[Jody Von Jedi]

SRM2 no use
SRM4 41.24 %
SRM6 38.66 %

ASRM2 no use
ASRM4 51.21 %
ASRM6 50.91 %

SSRM2 60.34 %

For comparison

AC/20 63.68 %

[Jody Von Jedi]

Widowmaker1981, on 15 January 2015 - 09:42 AM, said:

Seriously, these stats mean almost nothing, there seems to be no point trying to learn anything from them. Look at this:

There was a Large Pulse Laser equipped on all of those mechs bar ~80ish games on the Banshee (the amount i played it prior to quirks). The weapon stats screen shows 87 total matches, WTF.. its not just a little bit wrong, its missing at least 80% of the matches just looking at those 3 mechs.. and ive used LPLs on other mechs from time to time..

I have the same issue with my stats. They just don't add up correctly. I think the Profile web/game interface needs some work. I know for a fact nothing you do in CW affects the stats.

[Bishop Steiner]

Jody Von Jedi, on 15 January 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

I have the same issue with my stats. They just don't add up correctly. I think the Profile web/game interface needs some work. I know for a fact nothing you do in CW affects the stats.

wait...so is that how I got 320 shots with my lrm20...but 0 matches?

[Jody Von Jedi]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 January 2015 - 09:57 AM, said:

wait...so is that how I got 320 shots with my lrm20...but 0 matches?

Checkout your game mode stats. Nothing for CW, so I would be surprised if anything done in CW affects the stats.

Good question for Russ tonight on the Town Hall meeting.

Edit: Same goes for "Pilot Module Stats". I bought a bunch of modules after the "Quirkening" and none of my weapon modules are even listed on that tab.

I think all of the stats are screwed up right now.

Edited by Jody Von Jedi, 15 January 2015 - 10:06 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

YokiLin, on 14 January 2015 - 05:55 PM, said:

Some people have been making the claim that SRM is OP.

Because of that I am curious about how successful are you in hitting people with SRMs.

Just go to your profile -> stats -> weapon stats
( https://mwomercs.com...ats?type=weapon )
Check and post your SRM Accuracy here ^^.

So, what do you think, is it even worth it based on the hit percentage ?

Also, recall with missiles, it counts the total number fired, not how many times you pull the trigger.

% accuracy.For example, it shows 11,856 "shots" with my aSRM4. What that means, is I pulled the trigger 2964 rimes, averaging in this case, 4.33 damage for every trigger pull, or MORE than my 81% accuracy Large Laser. Despite having a "recorded" 48.8

Jody Von Jedi, on 15 January 2015 - 10:01 AM, said:

Checkout your game mode stats. Nothing for CW, so I would be surprised if anything done in CW affects the stats.

Good question for Russ tonight on the Town Hall meeting.

Oh, i know that. Russ said CW doesn't record. What I am saying, is in my stats, it shows I have used my LRM20 in 0 matches, but have somehow recorded 320 firings (or 16 trigger pulls) with it.....despite having never played a match with it.

AKA; yes, the stats are a trifle borked.

[Widowmaker1981]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 January 2015 - 10:06 AM, said:

Also, recall with missiles, it counts the total number fired, not how many times you pull the trigger.

% accuracy.For example, it shows 11,856 "shots" with my aSRM4. What that means, is I pulled the trigger 2964 rimes, averaging in this case, 4.33 damage for every trigger pull, or MORE than my 81% accuracy Large Laser. Despite having a "recorded" 48.8


Oh, i know that. Russ said CW doesn't record. What I am saying, is in my stats, it shows I have used my LRM20 in 0 matches, but have somehow recorded 320 firings (or 16 trigger pulls) with it.....despite having never played a match with it.

AKA; yes, the stats are a trifle borked.

The mech stats seem fine, i kind of keep track of them and they change as i would expect. The weapon stats on the other hand are.. gibberish. complete gibberish.. i have a feeling they are not displaying stats for quirked weapons, but thats not all thats wrong with it...

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 15 January 2015 - 10:13 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Widowmaker1981, on 15 January 2015 - 10:08 AM, said:

The mech stats seem fine, i kind of keep track of them and they change as i would expect. The weapon stats on the other hand are.. gibberish. complete gibberish.

made worse by the inconsistent way they are recorded.

PP-FLD records accuracy, by hit, and is by damage.
Lasers, are DoT, so record a hit whether you do 1 pt or 10.
Missiles, accuracy counts the total number of tubes fired, by the total number of missiles that hit.

can make for some very confusing numbers, and is why they SRM/LRM accuracy really means little. You have to take your number of shots fired, divide it by damage and just compare how much damage you are actually doing, as your total number of times you hit per trigger pull is impossible to know.

[Xetelian]

40% average for myself

[Mott]

Nearing 6000 matches played and I use SRMs in probably half my builds. My Ping is usually 25-35.

SRM2 - Never used
SRM4 - 63%
SRM4+A - 59%
SRM6 - 42%
SRM6+A - 47%

CSRM4 - 46%
CSSRM4 - 78%
CSRM6 - 51%
CSRM6+A - 58%
CSSRM6 - 68%

[Bishop Steiner]

Mott, on 15 January 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

Nearing 6000 matches played and I use SRMs in probably half my builds. My Ping is usually 25-35.

SRM2 - Never used
SRM4 - 63%
SRM4+A - 59%
SRM6 - 42%
SRM6+A - 47%

CSRM4 - 46%
CSSRM4 - 78%
CSRM6 - 51%
CSRM6+A - 58%
CSSRM6 - 68%

More interested in this stat: What is your avg damage per trigger pull of SRMs (shots fired divided by missile tubes) and compare it to your avg damage of higher percentage hit weapons.

[Mott]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 January 2015 - 10:23 AM, said:

More interested in this stat: What is your avg damage per trigger pull of SRMs (shots fired divided by missile tubes) and compare it to your avg damage of higher percentage hit weapons.

How could you really figure that out?

First of all, the stats don't take into account how many SRMs one is boating... do they? I've got a single SRM4 on my VND, but can boat 4 SRM4s on my GRF. So a # of trigger pulls is impossible to determine with the stats logged.

Second of all, as i review these stats i see they're completely fuggered. Currently my weapons stats say i've only logged 10 games with SRM4 and 35 games with SRM4+A.

But... i've got 144 games showing played in the GRF-3M which i've run roughly 30%/70% with SRM4s/SRM4+A...

How does that BS work?

[Bishop Steiner]

Mott, on 15 January 2015 - 11:00 AM, said:

How could you really figure that out?

First of all, the stats don't take into account how many SRMs one is boating... do they? I've got a single SRM4 on my VND, but can boat 4 SRM4s on my GRF. So a # of trigger pulls is impossible to determine with the stats logged.

Second of all, as i review these stats i see they're completely fuggered. Currently my weapons stats say i've only logged 10 games with SRM4 and 35 games with SRM4+A.

But... i've got 144 games showing played in the GRF-3M which i've run roughly 30%/70% with SRM4s/SRM4+A...

How does that BS work?

Simple enough.

SRM 4
Missiles Fired:13,264
Shots Fired: 3316
Individual Missile Hits: 6,114
"Accuracy": 46.10%
Damage: 13,549
Damage Efficiency: 4.08

Now compare that to a weapon that I show higher "accuracy" with:

Large Laser
Shots Fired: 3,370
Individual Hits: 2,698
"Accuracy": 80.06%
Damage: 13,886
Damage Efficiency: 4.12


So despite the "low" accuracy of my SRMs, they are realistically laying down as much damage everytime I pull the trigger as my Large Laser, which shows nearly "double the accuracy".

Hence "accuracy %" on missiles is kind of bunk, because you shots fired are based off the total number of tubes. Like my SRM4 showed 13k shots fired, but in reality, I shot 1/4 that number of times (4 tubes per shot). Whereas lasers (peoples "accurate" guns), show you registering a hit, regardless if you do 1, or 10 dmg

[xengk]

SRM 2 ------- 45.65% ------ 92 fired
SRM 4 ------- 50.19% ------ 8,542 fired
SRM 6 ------- 52.64% ------ 16,116 fired
SSRM 2 ------- 74.07% ------ 4,948 fired
ASRM 4 ------- 45.95% ------ 4,866 fired
ASRM 6 ------- 47.70% ------ 4,742 fired
C-SRM 4 ------- 47.41% ------ 3,164 fired
C-SRM 6 ------- 47.49% ------ 6,086 fired
C-SSRM 4 ------- 100.00% ------ 4 fired
C-SSRM 6 ------- 79.12% ------ 6,086 fired

I should consider removing Artemis upgrade, Im actually performing worst with them?

[Bishop Steiner]

xengk, on 15 January 2015 - 11:26 AM, said:

SRM 2 ------- 45.65% ------ 92 fired
SRM 4 ------- 50.19% ------ 8,542 fired
SRM 6 ------- 52.64% ------ 16,116 fired
SSRM 2 ------- 74.07% ------ 4,948 fired
ASRM 4 ------- 45.95% ------ 4,866 fired
ASRM 6 ------- 47.70% ------ 4,742 fired
C-SRM 4 ------- 47.41% ------ 3,164 fired
C-SRM 6 ------- 47.49% ------ 6,086 fired
C-SSRM 4 ------- 100.00% ------ 4 fired
C-SSRM 6 ------- 79.12% ------ 6,086 fired

I should consider removing Artemis upgrade, Im actually performing worst with them?

compare your damage. Because of tighter groupings you may be seeing more on target. IDK. I know I still find standard srm4s to rock aSRM6s for actual effectiveness, though

[Mott]

SRM4+A

Missiles fired - 16,868
Shots fired - 4,217
Missile Hits - 9,919
Accuracy - 58.8%
Damage - 21,743
Damage Eff - 5.16

[BarHaid]

Ooh, that makes an interesting stat. My SRM4 damage efficiency is 4.69, but my large laser is only 3.80.