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[MerryIguana]

Devilsfury, on 19 January 2015 - 05:06 PM, said:

I could bet you $100 that you bring your assault and Ill get someone who is very good at the Firestarter and you will lose 9 out of 10 games.

Games? What are the other 22 people doing? If you meant duels, then paper covers rock. Jeez.

[Impossible Wasabi]

Devilsfury, on 19 January 2015 - 05:06 PM, said:

I could bet you $100 that you bring your assault and Ill get someone who is very good at the Firestarter and you will lose 9 out of 10 games. You game? Everyone who has played this game for more than a week knows and understand just how broken the Firestarter is. It is literally the pound for pound king at taking damage. Anyone that says its not is either absolutely terrible in lights or is lying. there is NO other option.

The Space Pope thinks you are severely underestimating the skill of a number of assault pilots.

The Space Pope for one would find it extremely surprising if a good assault pilot managed to lose 9 out of 10 duels against a comparably skilled Firestarter pilot. Especially if we are talking about two fresh mechs facing off against one another.

Honestly, he would be immensely impressed if you could show this amazing 90% win rate of Firestarters in 1 vs 1 combat against Assaults.

Nay, in contrast the Space Pope has found that if he sees a good Assualt pilot ingame, said pilot will absolutely obliterate any light mech that tries to engage them by themselves.

Edited by The True Space Pope, 19 January 2015 - 06:11 PM.

[Ryoko Kombat]

Devilsfury, on 19 January 2015 - 05:06 PM, said:

I could bet you $100

You just own me an 100$. D00d.

[Agent 0 Fortune]

The True Space Pope, on 19 January 2015 - 06:05 PM, said:

The Space Pope thinks you are severely underestimating the skill of a number of assault pilots.

The Space Pope for one would find it extremely surprising if a good assault pilot managed to lose 9 out of 10 duels against a comparably skilled Firestarter pilot. Especially if we are talking about two fresh mechs facing off against one another.

The means to determine this contest have already been established. I suggest that half the proceeds go to the winning pilot to ensure they have a stake in the outcome.

[Impossible Wasabi]

Aha, then who pray tell will these champions be?

After all, it would do little good if either pilot was not among the very best of their class.

An alternative option would be to go and look at some of the competitive teams streams or any other sort of proper match and see how long lights last in duels vs assault mechs.

Edited by The True Space Pope, 19 January 2015 - 06:16 PM.

[Adiuvo]

Devilsfury, on 19 January 2015 - 05:06 PM, said:

I could bet you $100 that you bring your assault and Ill get someone who is very good at the Firestarter and you will lose 9 out of 10 games. You game? Everyone who has played this game for more than a week knows and understand just how broken the Firestarter is. It is literally the pound for pound king at taking damage. Anyone that says its not is either absolutely terrible in lights or is lying. there is NO other option.

Hahaha what? Good lord these forums.

Go watch some streams.

twitch.tv/heimdelight
twitch.tv/prtn_spz
twitch.tv/twinkyoverlord
twitch.tv/jagerxii

Have fun seeing what actual good pilots are.

Go watch some comp games too. Specifically anything between SJR and HoL. Watch the match between EmP and SJR this Sunday if you want more examples.

Edited by Adiuvo, 19 January 2015 - 06:15 PM.

[heimdelight]

Devilsfury, on 19 January 2015 - 05:06 PM, said:

I could bet you $100 that you bring your assault and Ill get someone who is very good at the Firestarter and you will lose 9 out of 10 games. You game? Everyone who has played this game for more than a week knows and understand just how broken the Firestarter is. It is literally the pound for pound king at taking damage. Anyone that says its not is either absolutely terrible in lights or is lying. there is NO other option.

If you'd be so kind to back up your words, I need an alignment for my car after this winter, $100 should cover it. I'll take the Assault 'Mech and you/whoever you want can take a Firestarter. Do you need my Paypal account?

[Agent 0 Fortune]

heimdelight, on 19 January 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

If you'd be so kind to back up your words, I need an alignment for my car after this winter, $100 should cover it. I'll take the Assault 'Mech and you/whoever you want can take a Firestarter. Do you need my Paypal account?

You guys make an interesting point, it's the firestarter effective at all Elo brackets?
You also understand that, if this contest were to actually materialize, you would not get to select the assault mech.

[Adiuvo]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 19 January 2015 - 06:33 PM, said:

You guys make an interesting point, it's the firestarter effective at all Elo brackets?
You also understand that, if this contest were to actually materialize, you would not get to select the assault mech.

It's not nearly as effective in high Elo, where I'm guessing the average player aims a whole lot better than those at starter Elo.

If I pop around a corner and see 4 mechs or whatever, I at least lose an arm and more likely a leg. If it's a leg I die.

If I go hop on my alt or whatever, nobody hits me.

Edited by Adiuvo, 19 January 2015 - 06:40 PM.

[Impossible Wasabi]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 19 January 2015 - 06:33 PM, said:

You also understand that, if this contest were to actually materialize, you would not get to select the assault mech.

"My LRM Stalker can't defeat a light mech in a 1 vs 1 duel at close range!!!"

The Space Pope again, foresees a great subjective argument here, picking certain variants or chasis or loadouts would understandably present certain disadvantages against light mechs (just like when you pick the loadout or variant of any mech).

How will you fairly define what assault mech and loadout is suitable for this challenge?

Edited by The True Space Pope, 19 January 2015 - 06:46 PM.

[ShinVector]

MerryIguana, on 19 January 2015 - 05:49 PM, said:

Games? What are the other 22 people doing? If you meant duels, then paper covers rock. Jeez.

Hey... If it was a duel... The assault mech brings Streak... Bye bye 'OP' Firestarter.
Against this topic because people who are QQ-ing here are basically those that always hated lights..
'Light Mech OP' threads... Nothing new...
Lights already been hit with the nerf bat multiple times and people keep asking for more.. Hiaz...

[Agent 0 Fortune]

The True Space Pope, on 19 January 2015 - 06:44 PM, said:

"My LRM Stalker can't defeat a light mech in a 1 vs 1 duel at close range!!!"
The Space Pope again, foresees a great subjective argument here, picking certain variants or chasis or loadouts would understandably present certain disadvantages against light mechs (just like when you pick the loadout or variant of any mech).
How will you fairly define what assault mech and loadout is suitable for this challenge?

My original though was, you pick the loadout someone else picks the chassis/variant. But that was assuming a 9 to 1 odds of the originally poster. If we went with even odds (you pick your chassis/variant/build, Firestarter picks their build), then a straight up best-of-3 or best-of-5 seems seems more in the spirit of the contest (Firestarters are straight up better than anything).
There are a couple of potential snags.

1. finding pilots (apparently finding the light pilot as an assault has already volunteered. My main concern is conflicting feelings for supporting a light mech in the "nerf firestarter thread", but hopefully a nice purse would level the playing filed.)

2. not getting ensnared in interstate wire transfer issues. So it is unlikely anyone is getting a new front-end alignment, but maybe a mech package or premium time.

3. limited liability. As much of a degenerate gambler as I am, I cannot afford to take all comers, It would have to be individual agreements between respective parties and I would suggest a cut (1/3) goes to the pilot to ensure objectivity. For instance if we bet 30 days of premium time ($12), the pilot earns a 7 day premium time ($6), so your minimum involvement is $18. In for an Ultimate Urbanmech ($40), maybe your pilot gets basic Urbanmech pack ($20), $60 total investment {remember this is comp-friendly, not a grift}.

[Yokaiko]

Devilsfury, on 19 January 2015 - 05:06 PM, said:

I could bet you $100 that you bring your assault and Ill get someone who is very good at the Firestarter and you will lose 9 out of 10 games. You game? Everyone who has played this game for more than a week knows and understand just how broken the Firestarter is. It is literally the pound for pound king at taking damage. Anyone that says its not is either absolutely terrible in lights or is lying. there is NO other option.

Wanna bet, I set my armor in an assault beyond my usual sword and board allotment, i.e I'm set to fight a light, its not going to be a contest.

This is why the Atlas -RS was the boss Attie forever, the quad pulses in the arms made it the premier jenner swatter.

The D-DC wasn't a thing until ECM.

[dario03]

Agent 0 Fortune, on 19 January 2015 - 07:40 PM, said:

My original though was, you pick the loadout someone else picks the chassis/variant. But that was assuming a 9 to 1 odds of the originally poster. If we went with even odds (you pick your chassis/variant/build, Firestarter picks their build), then a straight up best-of-3 or best-of-5 seems seems more in the spirit of the contest (Firestarters are straight up better than anything).
There are a couple of potential snags.

1. finding pilots (apparently finding the light pilot as an assault has already volunteered. My main concern is conflicting feelings for supporting a light mech in the "nerf firestarter thread", but hopefully a nice purse would level the playing filed.)

2. not getting ensnared in interstate wire transfer issues. So it is unlikely anyone is getting a new front-end alignment, but maybe a mech package or premium time.

3. limited liability. As much of a degenerate gambler as I am, I cannot afford to take all comers, It would have to be individual agreements between respective parties and I would suggest a cut (1/3) goes to the pilot to ensure objectivity. For instance if we bet 30 days of premium time ($12), the pilot earns a 7 day premium time ($6), so your minimum involvement is $18. In for an Ultimate Urbanmech ($40), maybe your pilot gets basic Urbanmech pack ($20), $60 total investment {remember this is comp-friendly, not a grift}.

I'll fight heim. I'm in the firestarter is not op crowd but hey if someone is paying me then whatever Doesn't even have to be $100. I'll take $20 to show and bonus $20 if I some how win. I also accept payment in urbanmech packs...which hey just happen to be $20 and $40

[heimdelight]

dario03, on 19 January 2015 - 08:02 PM, said:

I'll fight heim. I'm in the firestarter is not op crowd but hey if someone is paying me then whatever Doesn't even have to be $100. I'll take $20 to show and bonus $20 if I some how win. I also accept payment in urbanmech packs...which hey just happen to be $20 and $40

This seems a bit more reasonable to me. Anyone willing to pitch in donations for a duel between us? I'll take $40 through PayPal instead of $100.

[Ultimax]

heimdelight, on 19 January 2015 - 08:19 PM, said:

This seems a bit more reasonable to me. Anyone willing to pitch in donations for a duel between us? I'll take $40 through PayPal instead of $100.

What if we just had you choose a location, and then had firestarters run around in circles.

We set a time limit, and then people donate money to a good cause for every firestarter you pop.

[InspectorG]

Devilsfury, on 19 January 2015 - 05:06 PM, said:

I could bet you $100 that you bring your assault and Ill get someone who is very good at the Firestarter and you will lose 9 out of 10 games. You game? Everyone who has played this game for more than a week knows and understand just how broken the Firestarter is. It is literally the pound for pound king at taking damage. Anyone that says its not is either absolutely terrible in lights or is lying. there is NO other option.

I bet many of us light pilots could do the same in a Locust(i would use a V), granted we dont start right in front of said assault.

Post a vid of you in training ground or team dropping with a friend and Dual Gauss the FS right in the chest from different ranges.

Remember, FS moves quickly and can jump and has very favorable torso hitboxes(like a Stormcrow).

Your 'alphas' may be spreading across 3 hitboxes without you realizing it.

Any decent pilot will twist the damage spreading it to 4-5 boxes. See how that math adds up?
Aim for the legs. 2 boxes total.

Dont shoot him in the air, shoot when he hits the ground.

[Jacobei]

LOL All this proves is there was nothing wrong with the Spider.. what ever light is the best gets the QQ to nerf with all the same BS.

Oh now, after all this time the Firestarter how has broken hit box.... WOW just WOW

Try learning how to play - You say try piloting something else - I say try piloting Firestarter if it is so OP baddy!

[Zolaz]

yes ... lights OP ... that is why no one plays them.

[Lily from animove]

heimdelight, on 19 January 2015 - 08:19 PM, said:

This seems a bit more reasonable to me. Anyone willing to pitch in donations for a duel between us? I'll take $40 through PayPal instead of $100.

but only if you fight from here in EU, with a juicy 120ms.