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[Pet Dude]

Sounds like real life politics to me. Deal with it and stop hiding behind a video game. Faction strategies and being told what to do by a group of people I don't even know on who I can and can't attack is manipulating the game. Shoe on the other foot. Contracts flip too. Its an adjustment to not having valid MERC and Lone wolf units yet. CW is Beta. Truthfully I think some people are way too much into fantasy life. Control things you can and don't rage at things you can't. I'm Liao at the moment and Liao is getting slaughtered. To compensate for that they pump up rewards and lower the number of planets that can be attacked. Thats the right path to take with CW. Don't go punishing a unit or players because they don't do what you want them to do. I didn't vote for a King.

[Lord Ikka]

Krivvan, on 21 January 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

Liao has nothing. I don't think Kurita has anything. Also didn't see anything when on FRR. Jade Falcon does not have any kind of faction leadership. Smoke Jaguar doesn't either. I am unsure about Ghost Bear. Wolf does (but they're not doing so hot right now).

The factions without any sort of self-appointed faction leadership also seem to be the ones attracting the good merc units right now. Lords, SJR, 228, etc. all really don't care for joining with Davion, and when it comes down to defending against Clans, I don't think Davion would stand much of a chance.

Our High Council recently formed, trying to organize our units better. Right now the council has five member units that are active but we are looking for more active loyalist and merc units to help out our fight.

[Mystere]

dervishx5, on 21 January 2015 - 12:28 AM, said:

If you're willing to create an alt account, it's just going to have trial mechs for a while. And if you spend the money to buy mechs that are actually effective in order to have an effective second account, you might want to stand back and rethink your life.

Someone is spending their own time and money for their own entertainment? Oh the horror!

[Davers]

Mystere, on 21 January 2015 - 07:22 PM, said:

Someone is spending their own time and money for their own entertainment? Oh the horror!

No no! You don't understand! they are having fun wrong!

[Mystere]

MischiefSC, on 21 January 2015 - 02:00 AM, said:

There's no benefit in it for them other than, well, being a minor irritation.

This thread is at 19 pages and counting. I think it's gone beyond "minor irritation" league.

Edited by Mystere, 21 January 2015 - 07:34 PM.

[Mystere]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 January 2015 - 02:55 AM, said:

So I guess its time to push for that option, or to make PGI enforce nonaggression between Allies.

Abivard, on 21 January 2015 - 02:52 AM, said:

If you have an attack lane you are not allies in the eyes of PGI.

[MischiefSC]

Lukoi Banacek, on 21 January 2015 - 07:06 PM, said:

We do have a carrot.

Offering deliberate, organized play with options that let players buy in on ceasefires, the politics etc and not trying to boss around those who do not agree. The latter just have to be left to their own devices.

As for the MRBC concept I mention, there are a myriad of ways to make it all carrot and no stick as well, but again, topic for a different thread.

I'm game with a MRBC concept, seems like a great way to organize merc units for hiring and rating in some way.

Haven't had an issue with bossing anyone around; generally we say 'hey, these are our targets, these are our allies. Please attack targets and ignore allies'. If someone doesn't do that we'll remind them and if that doesn't work just disavow them and work with the offended ally to fix it. Can't tell someone what they can or can't do; we've had a couple of cases of stuff like this and they generally get quickly resolved. That and inviting them into talk in faction TS.

It's important to understand that when we talk about 'AFFS Command' what we mean is whatever leaders of the different Davion units that are on right now. I'm responsible to my units leadership, which is all people I like and respect. They deal with other unit leaders. When I'm pugging and I'm fortifying another unit I'm respectful of their command structure. Since my goal is to help Davion be successful I (and my unit) do our best to support the consensus. We certainly share our opinions and as a given rule AFFS Command has made sound tactical decisions based on everyones input. If I decide "meh, I'm going to go level my new King Crab' or even 'Feel like shooting Clanners, I'll go pug in CW on Kurita border' nobody says anything. Just that if I'm going to participate in CW I try to plug into Davion overall tactics as effectively as possible.

When large merc units are present (which they have been before) they tend to have a lot of sway in where we go and what we do. Much like in drops leadership often defaults to who's got the most people on by dint of success tends to be follow whoever is most likely to win.

Davion command draws its authority from the fact that we've got tight-knit units who as a given rule respect their leadership and our leaders regularly talk to each other to keep everyone on the same page. If there's smaller units doing their own thing that's fine - they're also absolutely welcome on the faction TS and to share their desires, opinions and suggestions with everyone else.

Wednesday Night Warfare is a great example of how that works. A complete pug group, I don't think more than 2 of us were in the same unit, all grouped up in TS, coordinated and just beat one of the best 12man units Marik has to offer. The drop was commanded by someone from another unit but I (and everyone else in the drop) trusts and rolls with that direction even though he's not our unit.

That's what we talk about when we discuss 'leadership'. Its our own leaders talking to other unit leaders and reaching a consensus. We roll with that consensus because we want Davion to do well and history has shown us that working together wins more than everyone going their own way. That probably does make us intolerant of units 'going rogue' in the say way in a match if you see 2 guys run off stupidly to die when the other 10 of you are all on the same page and working together you recognize what a pointless waste that was.

[Grynos]

On a semi related topic.... Anyone in clans or hell even another faction who wants to startup an alt account... Join Liao please ..... We pay better, and you can battle the Davions and make them cry a little more. Davion will always fight Liao, so short queue times, better pay, and you can kill some of these forum posters in CW... What could be better than that???

This advertisement is on behalf of House Liao, we may be a small nation, but we're just some wild and crazy guys and gals ....

Edited by Grynos, 21 January 2015 - 08:09 PM.

[MischiefSC]

Grynos, on 21 January 2015 - 08:08 PM, said:

On a semi related topic.... Anyone in clans or hell even another faction who wants to startup an alt account... Join Liao please ..... We pay better, and you can battle the Davions and make them cry a little more. Davion will always fight Liao, so short queue times, better pay, and you can kill some of these forum posters in CW... What could be better than that???

This advertisement is on behalf of House Liao, we may be a small nation, but we're just some wild and crazy guys and gals ....

In fact....

http://mwomercs.com/...e-of-contracts/

We would love for Liao to fill more folks. They pay very well. Sometimes their turrets even invade Davion space! There are a few hours on Euro time where we don't fill the Liao queue 2 or 3 units deep. Liao has open berths and money to spend.

[Mystere]

Joseph Mallan, on 21 January 2015 - 07:24 AM, said:

Notice my sig.

[Grynos]

Would be nice to field five to six teams in NA to go against the Davion NA push...

[Mystere]

Dimento Graven, on 21 January 2015 - 10:31 AM, said:

Sure it is, until I and 11 of my buddies start doing it to you...

No one here is stopping you.

[Mystere]

Dimento Graven, on 21 January 2015 - 11:53 AM, said:

That's a BS cop out, and again, you and the others that keep trying to bring up the, "playing how I wanna play" silliness are apparently by now intentionally missing the point.

These were BRAND NEW accounts, created for NO OTHER PURPOSE than to disrupt one faction to allow their preferred faction an unnatural advantage.

This wasn't some unit that decided they thought what the majority of other units had agreed to was wrong, or that they weren't playing the way they wanted to, this is a group of people who decided to utilize the only means their lack of skill and/or numbers would allow them to get an advantage, namely by pulling active enemy units to a different front.

If it had been a full known unit of people publicly announcing they weren't going along with the rest of the pack, fine, that's one thing, but what happened to Steiner was something completely different from that altogether.

Ok. 19 pages is far enough. It's time for you to give definitive proof of your accusations.

But in the end, so what? So some people are not playing the game the way some self-proclaimed nobility want it to be played. Well then, who died and made the latter Kings?

[MischiefSC]

Mystere, on 21 January 2015 - 09:10 PM, said:

Ok. 19 pages is far enough. It's time for you to give definitive proof of your accusations.

But in the end, so what? So some people are not playing the game the way some self-proclaimed nobility want it to be played. Well then, who died and made the latter Kings?

They're not really relevant. They'd have more useful expenditure of time dropping directly for their faction. They... what, tied up a Steiner 12man on behalf of Davion instead of on behalf of their Clan allies? Their wins are, for them, wasted. it's a problem that fixes itself. Nice hyperbole though. So any time someone takes the 'unit command' to try and organize a group of pugs they are trying to proclaim themselves God Emperor and starting a religion, right? I mean if you're going to make absurd comparisons and sweeping misrepresentations you should go for broke.

People making smurf accounts to screw with another group of players is always a crap mechanic but it's more hassle to deal with than it's worth. For this it's worth ignoring.

[Revis Volek]

Krivvan, on 21 January 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

Liao has nothing. I don't think Kurita has anything. Also didn't see anything when on FRR. Jade Falcon does not have any kind of faction leadership. Smoke Jaguar doesn't either. I am unsure about Ghost Bear. Wolf does (but they're not doing so hot right now).

The factions without any sort of self-appointed faction leadership also seem to be the ones attracting the good merc units right now. Lords, SJR, 228, etc. all really don't care for joining with Davion, and when it comes down to defending against Clans, I don't think Davion would stand much of a chance.

....and you base this on?

The Smoke Alliance has a wonderful leadership and because we are small is the majority of our faction. Davion also seems to have their stuff together (despite uncontrollable pubs and what have you) cant really speak on any of the other ones. nothing in game exists but that does not mean that players aren't using 3rd party stuff to help coordinate things.

We (SA) offer our TS server to any PUG we drop with....many often join.

Edited by DarthRevis, 21 January 2015 - 09:45 PM.

[Kriwan]

Grynos, on 21 January 2015 - 08:08 PM, said:

On a semi related topic.... Anyone in clans or hell even another faction who wants to startup an alt account... Join Liao please ..... We pay better, and you can battle the Davions and make them cry a little more. Davion will always fight Liao, so short queue times, better pay, and you can kill some of these forum posters in CW... What could be better than that???

This advertisement is on behalf of House Liao, we may be a small nation, but we're just some wild and crazy guys and gals ....

That's exactly why this alt is on Liao, figured you all needed help.

[Krivvan]

DarthRevis, on 21 January 2015 - 09:41 PM, said:

The Smoke Alliance has a wonderful leadership and because we are small is the majority of our faction. Davion also seems to have there stuff together (despite uncontrollable pubs and what have you) cant really speak on any of the other ones but nothing in game exist but that does not mean that players aren't using 3rd party stuff to help coordinate things.

I simply wasn't aware of the existence of the Smoke Alliance. But props on you for not being the ultra-hardcore RP type that force units to follow your will and get mad at people for attacking ghost bear or something.

[Revis Volek]

Krivvan, on 21 January 2015 - 09:44 PM, said:

I simply wasn't aware of the existence of the Smoke Alliance. But props on you for not being the ultra-hardcore RP type that force units to follow your will and get mad at people for attacking ghost bear or something.

NO WAY! Its a game above all else. If that is your idea of fun for the night then go for it. I mean they have no meaning at this point so its ultra pointless but you have to be respectful of others time and what they find fun.

We can all play here....i dont get what the fuss is about.

[Mystere]

Dimento Graven, on 21 January 2015 - 01:46 PM, said:

Let me state, AGAIN, for the record that my question is as follows:

Is it a valid tactic to create BRAND NEW THROW AWAY and nigh untraceable accounts to purposefully disrupt the fighting ability of your PRIMARY account's faction's enemy?

IE: Creating accounts you don't care about and could care less if they are banned, blown to bits, never expect to win a match, JUST SO you can grant your primary preferred faction a numerical advantage.

Is THAT a valid tactic?

YES!

Dimento Graven, on 21 January 2015 - 01:46 PM, said:

But does PGI care that hundreds, perhaps thousands of alternate accounts, of no value other than to throw away after they've served their purpose, a purpose of artificially skewing one faction's abilities.

I would think that from a data management aspect alone, there might be cause for concern.

A few thousand accounts is peanuts from a data management aspect if the people in charge of the system are anywhere near competent.

[Mystere]

MischiefSC, on 21 January 2015 - 09:37 PM, said:

They're not really relevant. They'd have more useful expenditure of time dropping directly for their faction. They... what, tied up a Steiner 12man on behalf of Davion instead of on behalf of their Clan allies? Their wins are, for them, wasted. it's a problem that fixes itself. Nice hyperbole though. So any time someone takes the 'unit command' to try and organize a group of pugs they are trying to proclaim themselves God Emperor and starting a religion, right? I mean if you're going to make absurd comparisons and sweeping misrepresentations you should go for broke.

But isn't that what some people here actually want, direct control of other people's in-game actions?

MischiefSC, on 21 January 2015 - 09:37 PM, said:

People making smurf accounts to screw with another group of players is always a crap mechanic but it's more hassle to deal with than it's worth. For this it's worth ignoring.

19 pages say otherwise.

Edited by Mystere, 21 January 2015 - 10:31 PM.