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[Willard Phule]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 January 2015 - 02:47 AM, said:

I don't have a concrete answer. I want there to be Someone in charge of the factions. So that if some players are breaking with the "spirit" of teh game, they can be given a warning and/or removed from the faction.

How it is done... I'm not really worrying about, other than it should not be a player or group of players. There needs to be someone "In charge" of teh forces. Otherwise it will just be a bunch of what we are already doing, and that... I have done for 3 years now.

Or, a better way of putting it would be "we need someone in charge that understands the basic concept of the Clan invasion and how the whole thing operates." Putting PGI in charge of that kind of dictation seems self-defeating.

[Alexander Steel]

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Here is what I understand to be the logic for it... Merc Units could hypothetically receive ( although very unlikely ) all the rewards from every faction in the game. Now if you are a loyalist, after you get your level 20, as it stands right now , you would get nothing, which means you would either have to switch to a different faction or gain LP that goes nowhere.

That's not the logic behind it, that's just describing the fact that people who choose not to play all aspects of the game tend not to get the rewards from the aspects of the game they aren't playing.

The logic would be.. "Loyalists are so important to the game function that they need to be rewarded because of X, Y, and Z."

Add on: Sort of like somebody in WoW ((hold on here)) complaining that somebody who Raids, Crafts, and PVP has access to more things then they do if they just focus on PvP. Yup, tha's how it works. Now if the PvPer wanted to have the same rewards as the person who does all three, they would need to make an argument that "My focusing on just doing PvP is so important to the game that I should be rewarded more for it and that I should be able to get things from PvP that somebody who does all 3 things can never get."

Heck, I'd be ok with a system that allowed everybody once they max out the loyalty with a faction to be able to convert the excess loyalty into loyalty for another faction or place holders.

IE have 10 loyalty trees, as you get loyalty with a faction a place holder converts to that faction. However if you max out faction and still have an empty "tree" you excess goes into that tree and that tree gets converted to "Bonus X Faction Loyalty". This way everybody has 10 trees of loyalty they can fill up and get all the free mech bays.

Edited by Alexander Steel, 22 January 2015 - 05:28 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

I like this.

It shows Community participation.
Same problem, addressed by the folks involved. Good community, not quite correct RP. IIRC the Bear's opinion of teh Jags was not all that high...

[Wildstreak]

Grynos, on 22 January 2015 - 05:03 AM, said:

Here is what I understand to be the logic for it... Merc Units could hypothetically receive ( although very unlikely ) all the rewards from every faction in the game. Now if you are a loyalist, after you get your level 20, as it stands right now , you would get nothing, which means you would either have to switch to a different faction or gain LP that goes nowhere.

Now there are a couple of ways PGI could handle this. One, is by making a lone wolf/ Merc faction, that way everyone would get the same thing, the only difference would be the lone wolfs / Merc units could fight on any front. The second way is by giving those who are loyalists, a blind reset after finishing level 20.. ( think like prestige mode in CoD ) They would still have the maximum title and all the rewards along the way, but then it would cycle all over again.

Last I heard there was a list of additional rewards given to Loyalists that Mercs do not get.
Mercs can get House Achievements giving them CB right now as can everyone.
Loyalists were supposed to get additional rewards of GXP, CB and even MC plus MechBays.
I forget where the list is, I do not have it bookmarked or in my browser history. It was some PDF file.

[Alexander Steel]

The way I understood things, anybody who reaches that loyalty level gets those rewards.

[Joseph Mallan]

Willard Phule, on 22 January 2015 - 05:17 AM, said:

Or, a better way of putting it would be "we need someone in charge that understands the basic concept of the Clan invasion and how the whole thing operates." Putting PGI in charge of that kind of dictation seems self-defeating.

So if PGI isn't trusted and the Players Can't be trusted...?

Power corrupts, absolute power is kinda neat.

[Revis Volek]

Vlad Ward, on 21 January 2015 - 11:10 PM, said:

Smoke Jags so stacked right now. Such money. Much wins.

I haven't been able to get a CW drop in since the Mercs came to CSJ....so i wouldn't know.

You all flooded our queues and no i will have to wait till your contracts are up to get back into CW i guess. This is part of the reason i want mercs dealt with....you all have a right to go where you wish but it pushed myself and many other outta the game for the week.

[ZealotTheFallen]

This goes against ever game I have ever played online since the beginning of online fun. It destroys the whole purpose of this game. They CHEAT by doing every thing in their power to buff all stats, and loyality points for them all to look great and feel good. But this is all wrong. They can run both accounts and fight trully against thier own IS mech stripping it and bump all stats thru the roof. Complete dishonesty and completely ruining our whole objective of this game

[Vlad Ward]

MischiefSC, on 22 January 2015 - 12:54 AM, said:

There will be perks for Faction Units, the original idea is that they would generally be the ones hiring mercs for their factions.

That's the tradeoff - Faction Units get some perks and some carrots to offer merc units, merc units get to grind LP in various houses and Clans. Otherwise House Units are just units that get 1/10th the total rewards of mercs in return for.... the opportunity to get 1/10th the rewards.

Well, in the last town hall, Russ was talking about making player titles visible in some way, so there would be an incentive to being a faction player. It's a lot easier to hit Rank 20 and walk around with a "Khan" tag when you only grind one faction. Can Mercs potentially hit rank 20 in every faction? Yes, over the course of months or years. But it's unlikely they'll be able to maintain them all indefinitely.

The easiest way to balance things out for faction players would be to increase the LP penalties for killing members of a faction you previously had LP with. This way Mercs would constantly have to way the costs/benefits of shuffling around and attacking former allies. While the C-bill/MC/Mechbay rewards won't go away, the titles will become unavailable if a player drops to a lower faction rank I'm sure.

Are titles enough to make this a sufficient incentive to hold your ground? Eh, depends on the player. If the titles start coming with discounts and other incentives, though, that could be interesting.

[Alexander Steel]

ZealotTheFallen, on 22 January 2015 - 11:17 AM, said:

But this is all wrong. They can run both accounts and fight trully against thier own IS mech stripping it and bump all stats thru the roof. Complete dishonesty and completely ruining our whole objective of this game

Either this was poorly translated, or you have no idea what is actually happening here.

[Revis Volek]

ZealotTheFallen, on 22 January 2015 - 11:17 AM, said:

This goes against ever game I have ever played online since the beginning of online fun. It destroys the whole purpose of this game. They CHEAT by doing every thing in their power to buff all stats, and loyality points for them all to look great and feel good. But this is all wrong. They can run both accounts and fight trully against thier own IS mech stripping it and bump all stats thru the roof. Complete dishonesty and completely ruining our whole objective of this game

[Harathan]

Loud noises!

[WarZ]

Dimento Graven, on 21 January 2015 - 12:34 PM, said:

No, I already answered your premise which was the exact same self-serving, self-conflicting BS as I've seen over and over again.

But more specific to your point, you believe that a faction of the clans would disagree with the Clan policies, and therefore create a brand new unit to join Davion to attack Steiner, to disrupt the Clans?

Seriously...

And you wonder why I didn't bother responding directly to you, but instead left all my previous responses I'd made on similar, yet better constructed arguments, as a defacto answer...

You basically just said NOTHING and tried to be as insulting as possible while doing it. Poorly played.

As for the role-playing element, you didnt read what I wrote in the first place or glossed over it so fast and hard you did not take it in:

You have alt accounts who represent rebels, a merc unit hired to "fly the Davion flag" by another power in your government or an outside house.

You could have rebels and / or leadership elements in House Davion which is seeking to destablize House Davion. Reasons could be dissatisfaction with current leadership, sympathy to the clans, or just a plain old power grab. It could be another house seeking destabilization.

This fits in PERFECTLY with battletech lore. It is an excellent addition to not only the clan wars gameplay, but also the potential role playing elements.

But you are happily glossing over the above facts. Mainly because you are just pissed off that some players are not doing what YOU want.

And in the end the only reason to oppose what is happening is because YOU believe it should not happen. This is YOUR opinion. Other players can SHARE your opinion. But it does not change the fact that it is an OPINION. You have ZERO right to have control over another player. Escpecially when it is your OPINION that is driving your desire for PERSONAL CONTROL.

I made a valid and non insulting comment / suggestion about what is happening. Explainable in a role playing perspective, which I think has value. You basically glossed over my post and/or didnt actually read it, then proceeded to insult me. This is how you operate by default ? I hope you have ZERO confusion as to why other players would not want to side with your opinion, much less want to operate under your constraints regarding the invasion strategy.

[WarZ]

Dimento Graven, on 21 January 2015 - 04:14 PM, said:

No, I'm pretty sure some of the people posting in this very thread own those throw away accounts, hence the self-serving nature of a lot of the arguments.

I honestly cannot believe you posted that ... your original post on has been nothing but self serving arguements. Get - some - perspective.

[RG Notch]

WarZ, on 22 January 2015 - 04:37 PM, said:

I honestly cannot believe you posted that ... your original post on has been nothing but self serving arguements. Get - some - perspective.

Some folks clearly lack mirrors, probably scared they steal your soul or some other nefarious thing. I mean who could have a differing opinion except for some alt account making conspirators?

[Alexander Steel]

To my "friends" the crow flies at midnight. Follow your training and the plan, do not reveal anything.

[RG Notch]

Alexander Steel, on 22 January 2015 - 06:37 PM, said:

To my "friends" the crow flies at midnight. Follow your training and the plan, do not reveal anything.

John has a long mustache, the chair is against the wall.

[MischiefSC]

All is ready. Begin operation 'Happy Happy Reach-Around Fun Time'.

[Mystere]

Alexander Steel, on 22 January 2015 - 06:37 PM, said:

To my "friends" the crow flies at midnight. Follow your training and the plan, do not reveal anything.

Hai!

[Harathan]

Mystere, on 22 January 2015 - 07:38 PM, said:

Hai!

Hmm. Ninjas!