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[Duvanor]

Noesis, on 24 January 2015 - 07:07 AM, said:

I like how you throw Gyrok under the bus only now, yet you have supported him and his buddies all through the campaign with his vitriol. You did nothing to admonish the behaviour nor have you made any token gesture of recompense to the people he has offended but let him pretty much go about his business under the banner of Clan Wolf.

I'm guessing therefore the MERCs have a point to make about this lack of foresight and duty of care, this is just a theory however.

I would not want to throw him under a bus. I do not know what was said somewhere. What I know is that Gyrok tried to coordinate our PUGs and smaller units and that is a good thing. I also believe taking back Ferris and New Caledonia was a good thing. Both planets belong to Clan Wolf.

Everything else is a personal matterbetween Gyrok and those mercs who feel wronged and should be solved in a personal matter. Should that happen and Wolf pilots be needed, I would of course volunteer for the fight.

CoffiNail, on 24 January 2015 - 07:13 AM, said:

Okay. But the consistent question from me is, 'what do you want me to do about that?' I know the leaders of MercStar are well aware that CWDG is pushing to try and attack them they seem to have taken the offensive.

I will repeat again, the merc forces do not care about Terra, just territory coreward. I have no idea what the Mercs are doing, I am not their unit founder I am CGBI founder. Nor do I really try to care what it is they are doing because they are their own independent gaming communities that are doing what they feel they want to do in community warfare. Be that just take as many planets as they can, troll and cause problems or what ever their internal agendas are.

If you feel that the Merc forces are negativly effecting Clan Ghost Bear International's reputation then I pity you for not understand how PGI has their rendition of MechWarrior universe's Community Warfare works.

This is the Community having warfare in the Inner Sphere, not PGI replaying Operation Revival. I am disappointed as you, but Clan forces that follow the path of Kerensky can do nothing but continue as always and push to be the first to re-take Terra. Figure it out from there.

Do not get me wrong here. I just wanted to point out that Clan Wolf never intendet to attack Clan Ghostbear. As I said earlier, I was also worried about aftereffects of this and talked to some Bears during the drops. My above answer was not meant to make you stop the mercs. I know nobody has any form of control over other units in the same faction. I was just answering to the accusation of several Bears here, Clan Wolf was attacking the Ghostbears without reason or out of spite. That was not the case and it should not be viewed that way.

Personally I just want a restored Wolf corridor and then push onward to terra. As it stands now we will have to get our backyard cleaned up or maybe lose our just returned playerbase to the merc grind again. As I said, nothing you, CoffiNail, can do about it except not participating in fights up there maybe. But I do not demand anything.

Edited by Duvanor, 24 January 2015 - 07:25 AM.

[CoffiNail]

Noesis, on 24 January 2015 - 07:07 AM, said:

I like how you throw Gyrok under the bus only now, yet you have supported him and his buddies all through the campaign with his vitriol. You did nothing to admonish the behaviour nor have you made any token gesture of recompense to the people he has offended but let him pretty much go about his business under the banner of Clan Wolf.

I'm guessing therefore the MERCs have a point to make about this lack of foresight and duty of care, this is just a theory however.

I am not sure if you are talking to CGB or CWolf... I have almost never had dealings with Gyrok about Community Warfare. CGBI has for the most tried to keep to CGB's path towards terra. This is not FASA's corridors.

[_VULCAN_]

Greetings boys and girls,

I am lost for words. The last week I engaged into battle with falcons, bears and jaguars fighting alongside me to defend or take planets. It felt good to see the clans starting to work as one with the same objective in mind ad I felt unstoppable.

Yes I can understand that because of the actions of a leader of one galaxy of clan wolf we all need to pay for his stupidity. From Kappa galaxy side I do apologise that we have members like this with Clan Wolf tags. At the end of the day he is just damaging his on unit and will be the reason for the fall of that galaxy if they don't find a new unit leader.

I ask the Clan society to not see his attacks as a combined operation from all the other Clan wolf Galaxies and that he went on his expedition on his own.

I erg that the leaders of the clan society can come to a agreement to work together and focus on task at had witch is to get to terra.

Eendrag maak mag (Unity is strength)

Regards

GCom Lotz
Kappa Galaxy (CWI)

Edited by L0TZ, 24 January 2015 - 07:36 AM.

[Duvanor]

Did I not see you fighting on New Caledonia as well? I am now really curious what Gyrok did to deserve this bashing by his own Clan.

I am also curious why everybody condems the Wolfs taking of planets belonging to them and why the same people were silent, when the mercs returned to Clan Ghostbear and took wolf planets. Please explain the difference. Or better, the difference besides them taking an original wolf planet and us just retaking our worlds.

If you just want to come over and try to stomp the Wolves say so and do not hide behind cheap excuses and pointless accusations.

Edited by Duvanor, 24 January 2015 - 07:43 AM.

[_VULCAN_]

That planet was taken outside of my time zone. So I was in bed and if you have seen me at that time then I am going to lock my doors tonight.

Edited by L0TZ, 24 January 2015 - 07:46 AM.

[Duvanor]

Okay then someone with a similar name. I saw CWI players though.

[_VULCAN_]

Could be. I know there is a goon running around with my name.

CWI members were told not to engage that planet as it had no use to us and that we needed to focus on moving down the IS line.

[KuroNyra]

CoffiNail, on 24 January 2015 - 07:02 AM, said:

Not quite right Duvanor. It is the Mercs within CGB that you speak of that are the ones taking wolf planets. They are not interested in the same as the loyalist permanent contract Clan units. We continue to push forward to Terra (And Alshain) Units within Clan Wolf felt it was wise to take planets back from Merc CGB units and, well that has provoked those forces.

The fact that merc can go in Clans alone is stupid.

You are Clans until the end of the campaign. Or you are not. There shouldn't be so much easy way to switch.

Heroes & Generals made a good system for that. You could choose a faction for the current campaign, but once you have selected your faction. You can't change anymore until the end of the Campaign.

Duvanor, on 24 January 2015 - 07:15 AM, said:

I would not want to throw him under a bus. I do not know what was said somewhere. What I know is that Gyrok tried to coordinate our PUGs and smaller units and that is a good thing. I also believe taking back Ferris and New Caledonia was a good thing. Both planets belong to Clan Wolf.

Everything else is a personal matterbetween Gyrok and those mercs who feel wronged and should be solved in a personal matter. Should that happen and Wolf pilots be needed, I would of course volunteer for the fight.

Last time Gyrok proposed something like that to settle a dispute. The Merc literraly run away. That did not blocked him from being a douchebag after that and keeping making useless thread against CW.

[CoffiNail]

KuroNyra, on 24 January 2015 - 08:02 AM, said:

The fact that merc can go in Clans alone is stupid.

You are Clans until the end of the campaign. Or you are not. There shouldn't be so much easy way to switch.

Heroes & Generals made a good system for that. You could choose a faction for the current campaign, but once you have selected your faction. You can't change anymore until the end of the Campaign.

I agree! I wish they had done what we all assume was going to happen and the Clan Loyalist tag would be the Clan 'Mercs' Helping along the whole front.

I still say two characters per account, 1 clan and 1 IS and this way those that want to play IS can and if they want a day of Clan they can do that too. No need to change your whole units faction so some members can play with the opposite factions chassis every couple weeks.

[_VULCAN_]

At the end of the day boys there is no point in arguing about it. We need to reassess our situation find common ground and work as a team and see this as one of many grate military blunders.

Members of each clan should understand that if your allies has got a plant under there control in your territory its seen as yours regardless of the tag or faction in possession of that planet. I am not saying attack that planet but rather help to keep it as a ally planet and focus on gaining new ground.

Edited by L0TZ, 24 January 2015 - 08:23 AM.

[Mordin Ashe]

Duvanor, on 24 January 2015 - 07:40 AM, said:

I am now really curious what Gyrok did to deserve this bashing by his own Clan.

Some moderator deleted what Gyrok did, so ask the person that removed that topic.

Anyway, nice to see some reasonable CW players. Would you mind getting rid of some rather difficult players you have in higher ranks of CW touman? It would go a long way in our relationship

[_VULCAN_]

Mordin I was in battle against you today. Excellent piloting brother and it was a fun challenge.

Unfortunately every clan, faction or unit has a bad apple or two. Its the main ideology of a clan that matters and I can tell you this. We don't want to fight clan because it doesn't gain as anything, its not getting us any closer to terra its just helping the IS.

[Mordin Ashe]

L0TZ, on 24 January 2015 - 08:33 AM, said:

Mordin I was in battle against you today. Excellent piloting brother and it was a fun challenge.

Thank you :-) My compliments to Wolves as well. You guys bite much harder than Rasalhague!

[Alexander Steel]

Duvanor, on 24 January 2015 - 07:15 AM, said:

I also believe taking back Ferris and New Caledonia was a good thing. Both planets belong to Clan Wolf.

You seem not to understand the ways of the Clan. Those world's belong to the warriors strong enough to take and hold them. That is not Clan Wolf.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Look most of my unit didn't attack you last night or defend since frankly it was kind of funny. That said we will drop our attack of the FRR if we need to defend our side flanks.

If you want to keep attacking we will defend and then start attacking you. Neither one of us will make much progress at that point.

Given all the headaches CI and MercStar caused Wolf is it really that unfair that GB had to deal with a renegade delta for one day. We had to deal with your merc units continuously since December.

[HBizzle]

CyclonerM, on 24 January 2015 - 04:34 AM, said:

Excuse me, by "CGB" who do you exactly mean?

Basically everyone at this point.

[Necromantion]

Duvanor, on 24 January 2015 - 06:56 AM, said:

So the reason for this attack is basically what? That Clan Ghostbear feels hurt by wolfs taking Wolfplanets? I mean, Ferris has been our planet from the beginning of CW and after their return from the IS to CGB some merc units took it. New Caledonia was surrounded by the Wolf corridor and belonged to us prior to the FRR mercassault. Clan Wolf did nothing but restore its attack corridor.

If you have personal issues with a member of Clan Wolf, follow the way of the clans and challenge him to a trial of grievance

If I correctly recall last nights second post by Gyrok I dont think he was open to a trial of grievance, i think it went something like "we will see you on the battlefield"

Its like he thinks he speaks for all of CW, perhaps you CW pilots should clarify that for him?

Edited by Necromantion, 24 January 2015 - 10:13 AM.

[Aresye]

Yes, Ferris was taken from us out of the blue, and New Caledonia should have been returned to us, but here's the thing. You don't start attacking those planets and then ask for permission later. We very likely could have been able to handle the transfer of these planets diplomatically, however one person decided to attack and then go, "Oh hey btw, we're taking this planet back," with no correspondence with any of the wolf leadership, thus leading to CGBI to retaliate along with CI, MS, and most of CGB as a whole.

Believe me, if we could sideline a person/unit, we would, and the actions of this particular person/unit do not reflect the opinions and/or actions of Clan Wolf as a whole. CGB is entitled to retribution. I only hope it doesn't end up causing most units and players to leave community warfare again, as it was only this past week we finally got most of our folk's morale up to start pushing south again. Morale's going to tank again while the majority of Clan Wolf players that had absolutely nothing to do with these attacks get punished for the actions of one of the louder individuals and smaller units within Clan Wolf they have no control over.

In other words, feel free to bite back for the wrong-doings, but for the sake of keeping Community Warfare healthy and active, just remember the majority of wolves had nothing to do with this mess.

[Errodien]

[Vxheous]

Aresye, on 24 January 2015 - 10:28 AM, said:

Yes, Ferris was taken from us out of the blue, and New Caledonia should have been returned to us, but here's the thing. You don't start attacking those planets and then ask for permission later. We very likely could have been able to handle the transfer of these planets diplomatically, however one person decided to attack and then go, "Oh hey btw, we're taking this planet back," with no correspondence with any of the wolf leadership, thus leading to CGBI to retaliate along with CI, MS, and most of CGB as a whole.

Believe me, if we could sideline a person/unit, we would, and the actions of this particular person/unit do not reflect the opinions and/or actions of Clan Wolf as a whole. CGB is entitled to retribution. I only hope it doesn't end up causing most units and players to leave community warfare again, as it was only this past week we finally got most of our folk's morale up to start pushing south again. Morale's going to tank again while the majority of Clan Wolf players that had absolutely nothing to do with these attacks get punished for the actions of one of the louder individuals and smaller units within Clan Wolf they have no control over.

In other words, feel free to bite back for the wrong-doings, but for the sake of keeping Community Warfare healthy and active, just remember the majority of wolves had nothing to do with this mess.

I feel like Community Warfare for Clan Wolf is just going to end up in a constant cycle that we have seen over the last month:

1. Clan Wolf makes some gains
2. Mercs team go to Clan Ghost Bear, attack Clan Wolf back planets
3. People get upset, start attacking CLan Ghost Bear back.
4. Everyone cools down, planets get returned.
5. All Mercs all join Steiner/FRR, attack Clan Wolf at the same time.
6. Clan Wolf loses all gains.
7. Mercs go elsewhere for a week

rinse, repeat.

Clan Wolf has pretty much become the whipping boy for all the Mercs to gang up on, regardless of whether the Mercs are playing IS, or Clan. I do not believe any of the other clans have had such hatred from comp Merc teams as Wolf has faced (besides perhaps last week's flare up between CSJ and CGB). Clan Wolf has faced this endless cycle since the start of Community warfare.