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[MercStar Recruiter]

Shaitan Kerensky, on 28 January 2015 - 09:51 PM, said:

What happened tonight?

Last night was great. There were some Merc drops against CW, but (and maybe I read too much into this) then the Mercs stopped dropping once they had gotten about 20%. I felt like, while it wasnt ideal, at least everyone was having fun and there would be no rage at a planet steal.

I assumed it would be the same tonight. I was wrong. So I am wondering, what happened? Did I read too much into last night? Was it not aiming for fun matches?

TO BE CLEAR: THIS IS AIMED AT THE MERCS AS AN HONEST QUESTION. PLEASE NO OTHER FACTIONS TRY AND EXPLAIN IT. I really dont want to hear a bunch of people raging about the mercs or throwing alot of hateful/inflammatory commentary around.

p.s. Why if the mercs are just looking for fun games, do they never attack CSJ? Wouldnt it lessen the anger if the attacks were spread out and made ineffective (at planet taking)?

EDIT: The planet looks like it will stay wolf, but I doubt that was for lack of trying on the mercs part, so my questions still stand.

We went to fight CSJ last night after we got turret drops vs wolf, tonight we got fights so we stayed

Edited by MercStar Recruiter, 28 January 2015 - 09:58 PM.

[dervishx5]

Errodien, on 28 January 2015 - 09:57 PM, said:

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[Errodien]

dervishx5, on 28 January 2015 - 10:07 PM, said:

haha, you took my image and made it 5x more awesome

BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!

[Shaitan Kerensky]

MercStar Recruiter, on 28 January 2015 - 09:58 PM, said:

We went to fight CSJ last night after we got turret drops vs wolf, tonight we got fights so we stayed

I appreciate the civil response.

Any chance we can try to do something in the future where the fighting stops once it gets into the 30s or so? I imagine if you switch back and forth between the two groups that border you, it will minimize the anger thats going around. Not trying to get you to start wars with CSJ. Just by splitting your attention between the two, you wont come close to taking the planet and the tension will be minimized while still allowing you to enjoy several games

Not to mention, the falcons will be bordering you soon. A three way split of your attention might go a long way toward minimizing the hostility.

Edited by Shaitan Kerensky, 28 January 2015 - 10:25 PM.

[MercStar Recruiter]

Shaitan Kerensky, on 28 January 2015 - 10:16 PM, said:

I appreciate the civil response.

Any chance we can try to do something in the future where the fighting stops once it gets into the 30s or so? I imagine if you switch back and forth between the two groups that border you, it will minimize the anger thats going around. Not trying to get you to start wars with CSJ. Just by splitting your attention between the two, you wont come close to taking the planet and the tension will be minimized while still allowing you to enjoy several games

Not to mention, the falcons will be bordering you soon. A three way split of your attention might go a long way toward minimizing the hostility.

I can only pass this idea on all attacks are voted on my the MercStar council

[Shaitan Kerensky]

MercStar Recruiter, on 28 January 2015 - 11:38 PM, said:

I can only pass this idea on all attacks are voted on my the MercStar council

Thats fine. Just throwing out ideas to try and get back to the level of cooperation we used to have. I remember rooting for CGB back when we started, considering them our closest allies.

[Commander A9]

I believe it's still around.

From what I've been told, some units are playing purely for cash.

In that regard, I don't think we have reason to be flustered anymore now that we know what people's motivations are.

[Alexander Steel]

I'm curious, why does Clan Wolf think that one of the Mercs goals is to minimize the anger they generate from Clan Wolf.

I'm not saying anger is one of the goals, just that minimizing it does not appear to be a goal.

[CyclonerM]

Alexander Steel, on 30 January 2015 - 04:16 AM, said:

I'm curious, why does Clan Wolf think that one of the Mercs goals is to minimize the anger they generate from Clan Wolf.

I'm not saying anger is one of the goals, just that minimizing it does not appear to be a goal.

Maybe because they can find ways to minimize the forum wars.

[Mordin Ashe]

CyclonerM, on 30 January 2015 - 05:27 AM, said:

Maybe because they can find ways to minimize the forum wars.

But forum wars induce drama and drama is fun for every troll and even some mercs. They don't want calm and reasonable loyalist life. They want action wherever they can get it. Perk of being a merc I guess.

[Noesis]

CyclonerM, on 30 January 2015 - 05:27 AM, said:

Maybe because they can find ways to minimize the forum wars.

It is not Clan Wolf's place to introduce any policy that changes posting behaviour as a result. And I still think you don't get this point and believe it is still your place to enact these changes on others based on how you personally judge them. As such I and others quite rightly will not recognise any authority or attempt to control forum posting capabilities that does not come from "official" sources.

This is a task for recognised MWO moderation put into place by PGI to perform not Clan Wolf.

[CyclonerM]

Noesis, on 30 January 2015 - 05:44 AM, said:

This is a task for recognised MWO moderation put into place by PGI to perform not Clan Wolf.

Police? Neg, i just said that those who proposed ways to let the mercs have their good fights without taking planets, etc. just wanted to let them have fun while reducing the drama and frustration that may have come from it on the loyalist side.

Who talked about "police" or moderation?

[Noesis]

CyclonerM, on 30 January 2015 - 05:55 AM, said:

Who talked about "police" or moderation?

Posting behaviour in all forms is the official purview of PGI moderation not the players. As such it isn't even correct for you to adjudge something as being of a certain way officially only to supply your opinion to moderation for review in theory. Hence why you are policing these things as you have personally placed a judgement on the content not Moderation.

Whilst in principal the idea of making the forums a more amicable place for people to post opinions both pro and con on subjects, present certain positions or to fomulate ideas is constructive, it is not the position of players to judge how this should be done or what content can be viewed as constructive or topical content.

Any attempt then to control posting behaviour one way or the other outside of confirmed official channels is then open to manipulation based on the players position. This despite whether you might believe it to be from good motivations or intentions.

So yes you are still more concerned on posting behaviour as opposed to the issues and as such trying to do moderations job.

[Alexander Steel]

I can understand why Clan Wolf doesn't want Ghost Bear taking their planets, but you haven't spelled out what's in it for Ghost Bear or Ghost Bear Mercs? If they want good fights, people who are angry and haven't something to prove ((Mad Clan Wolf Members)) seem more likely to fight them than Passive Clan Wolf Members who know they don't need to defend the planet because nothing will happen if they don't.

Edited by Alexander Steel, 30 January 2015 - 07:11 AM.

[operatorZ]

Mordin Ashe, on 28 January 2015 - 11:06 AM, said:

This whole topic is rather complicated. Truth is MS and CI could easily join CW and do what they want, no questions asked, no diplomacy done, no contacts made. But then they would have slightly worse gaming environment than they do with CGB. To be honest I think CI and MS are enjoying the influx of various CGB players comming to their TS, tlaking with them, joking with them, filling up the ranks and staying up all night making poems and joking about our enemies. That is what fun with other people consists of and if they feared they might not get that in CW (for various reasons that mostly don't matter), they simply passed the offer.

I still think that they will eventually come to CW at least for one week, if only to swim in different waters for a while. But who knows. Perhaps Clans push too close to Terra and mercs will decide that it is time to engage "Tukkayid mode" and enlist with FRR? One never knows what may happen.

I am so glad I am a wolf....

[Jaroth Corbett]

Dracol, on 28 January 2015 - 06:43 AM, said:

Please inform us Mercs were we can get Clan v Clan community warfare while fighting as an IS Faction?

For CI to have hit Jade Falcon as Clan, CI would have had to have gone Wolf. Which, during the second week of Community Warfare, it became known to us that Wolf at the time had no love for Mercs due to their stance on Lore. Hence the reason CI went with the Merc friendly Bears.

Wait what? Merc friendly Bears? It was not like we had a choice in the matter. Actually in the lore, the Ghost Bears hate the mercs the most.

[Alexander Steel]

Jaroth Corbett, on 30 January 2015 - 07:50 AM, said:

Wait what? Merc friendly Bears? It was not like we had a choice in the matter. Actually in the lore, the Ghost Bears hate the mercs the most.

While this may be true, the Ghost Bears seem far less likely to start spouting off "Dah Lores!!!" when talking to people in the game about forming alliances, recruiting people, or just trying to resolve problems than Clan Wolf.

[CyclonerM]

operatorZ, on 30 January 2015 - 07:32 AM, said:

I am so glad I am a wolf....

I would not be so glad.. In my unit we were trying to set a rap battle night ..

[Jaroth Corbett]

Alexander Steel, on 30 January 2015 - 08:08 AM, said:

While this may be true, the Ghost Bears seem far less likely to start spouting off "Dah Lores!!!" when talking to people in the game about forming alliances, recruiting people, or just trying to resolve problems than Clan Wolf.

Because as much as I, (& the rest of my unit), value & admire the lore we understand that not everything can translate into MWO. This is reality & we must be flexible.

[BSK]

Airwolf, on 25 January 2015 - 10:11 PM, said:

I'm still trying to figure out what CGB's beef is with CW and CJF ... anyone?

Very simple, whenever we dropped on a CW planet to defend it against the IS units, we were greeted with ignorance and disaffirmation. Any attempt to coordinate attacks were rejected, any request for help on a push were shrugged off and the objectives as a whole were never a task for the Wolfs that we met. At least they had the insignia of Wolfs, but they acted like Fire Mandrills.

That's why we don't care about any cease fire here, we don't think any representative could speak for more than one CW unit. We only care about the small SJ, which have grown lately ..