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#121 Gyrok

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 07:13 AM

In matters of lore...sure...very knowledgeable.

In this instance, he has zero knowledge of the chain of events and is pretending that he does. Which puts him in the position of being a troll.

#122 Noesis

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 07:29 AM

View PostAlexander Steel, on 02 February 2015 - 06:47 AM, said:

Really? I've had some back and forths with Jaroth Corbett in another thread and he seems to be very knowledgeable about the Lore, and willing to listen to others when they explain their point of view. Pretty much the exact opposite of a troll.


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Did you see what I did there? ;)

#123 Sjorpha

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 07:39 AM

In the meantime, I'm raiding opportune targets with my spaceviking buddies. Who cares about planets? It's all about bathing in blood and taking the mead, the loot and the genetically enhanced sex slaves.

If we can be bothered to pause from those activities we might go crush the clans on our spare time, but right now it's more fun to watch everyone getting their panties in a dramatwist.

I'd say "popcorn", but the damn things get stuck in the beard. Skål Kosmonauter!

#124 Lily from animove

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 07:47 AM

I hope you don't believe the bears anything peace was always and only made as long as it suited them, and they violated it whenever needed just to establihs it always at the moment when they were suddenly on the losing side. I hope No wolf unit makes that mistake for a 3rd time.

View PostCzarr, on 01 February 2015 - 07:44 PM, said:

So clan ghost bear is attacking maetsu trying to block wolf's attack lane into steiner. Still think that the ghost bears want to be your friends clan wolf? Think again you are pawns


event those genetically degnerated future roasted chickens do get it.

Edited by Lily from animove, 02 February 2015 - 07:52 AM.


#125 Duvanor

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 09:32 AM

As if they had much choice. They are slaves to the algorithm just as we are at the moment.

#126 Lily from animove

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 09:38 AM

View PostDuvanor, on 02 February 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

As if they had much choice. They are slaves to the algorithm just as we are at the moment.


untrue, the bear attackswere made when they had also IS lanes available.

#127 Duvanor

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 10:04 AM

I am referring to the statement that the Bears are blocking our path south.

#128 Repasy Cooper

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 02:19 PM

To be honest, it would have been much more helpful to get Wolf another attack corridor. They've been limited to one or none IS corridors for a majority of the Invasion. Also, giving Bears another attack corridor increases risk that we will spread ourselves thin when uncoordinated. I'm sure I don't have to remind you guys about what happens then, but just in case... Whenever Bears are disorganized and spread out, this happens:
  • Bears fail to gain any ground.
  • Bears lose territory to IS.
  • Bears disrupt the success of all other Clan attack corridors.
Example:


Jan. 26, 2015 - European Ceasefire

Ghost Bear forces were spread out across too many corridors. The Bears' attempt to retake Polcenigo from CSJ was thwarted due to insufficient forces. The Bears' defense of New Oslo was defeated due to insufficient forces, losing the long-fought planet back to FRR resistance. Due to the failure of Ghost Bear, IS coalition forces were able to focus on other Clan borders, and effectively fought us back to a standstill.



Opening up another corridor for us, I forsee the following consequences:
  • We run the risk of a repeat of the above scenario, as we now have more attack corridors than ever to focus on.
  • This will eventually cut off the Wolves from their Invasion corridor and provoke more hostilities with them in the future, thus leading to more disorganization for both of our factions.
Alternately, letting the Wolves manage their own attack corridor has the following benefits.
  • Wolves will have someone other than us to attack.
  • This will give us more attack strength, as when Wolf is cut off from the IS they can only support defense.
I would seriously reconsider stealing attack corridors in the future for the above reasons. -MS- certainly has a large presence on the battlefield, but surely they can't cover all three ceasefire periods. What happens if the other two periods are spread too thin and we lose all the territory we gain?


Has -MS- considered alternating between Wolves and Ghost Bears?

EDIT:

More info for -MS- that I think they should really consider.

Post Link:
http://mwomercs.com/...98#entry4159198

Edited by Repasy, 02 February 2015 - 04:01 PM.


#129 TEOLAYKI

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 04:27 PM

First off I'll admit that the conflict does bug me and I would be glad for it to be over, but be serious folks. MS sounds exactly like Russia right now.

"We don't have enough bases so let us go and take Georgia and Crimea (so what if it is spelled wrong you get the point), Ok now we took your land and you can't try to take it back cause if you do we will just nuke you. By the way now we need a route to get to Crimea so we will just take Eastern Ukraine so that we can move back and forth freely, and you have to like that too or we will nuke you."

Do you really hear (understand) what you guys are saying. "Our attack lanes are limited so we will limit other peoples attack lanes just so that we can attack more people and have fun and "F..." it if they have fun or not.

Come on be serious, you are only acting like the big bully on the block and trying to force everyone to play the game the way you want it to be played.

How would you like it if someone came into your house and moved into your room and they said, "we live here now because we don't have enough room in our house."

You want to be able to attack CJF.,and use your Clan mechs then join CW. You want to attack CW then stay with CGB or join CJF. Really simple. The way you guys are playing it you are ruining the game for many people just so that you can have fun.

Now I don't know if it was deserved or not, (I don't what happened), but you are willing to ruin this wonderful product because one person stuck his tounge out at you and took your cookie. REALLY.

The easiest way to end all the stupidity on both sides is to just stop it and play the game in the spirit of the game.

Lastly, I really and truly hope this is not taken wrong but, I personally cannot support bullying tactics like this. I can't do anything about it, I don't have the numbers nor am I one of the best players (though I do consider myself to be good, or at least not bad). I have personally decided to never drop in defense of a CGB planet (not that they would need my help) and when the oppertunity presents itself to try and take back a CW planet I will participate in that attack. I have no interest in expanding CW territory into the other Clan lanes and like wise I will not except other Clans shrinking CW's war front with the IS.

I thought the whole point was for us to race toward Terra not toward CJF.

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 07:36 PM

View PostTEOLAYKI, on 02 February 2015 - 04:27 PM, said:

How would you like it if someone came into your house and moved into your room and they said, "we live here now because we don't have enough room in our house."


If they were pointing a big shotgun in my face at the time I might just tend to agree with them. Can't really enjoy a king size bed if you're dead can you.

And no-one is being a bully.

MS probably have something like 300 guys.

Wolf probably have more units and numbers who could defend against that should they want to.

So what is the disparity, skill and organisation? You seriously want PGI to nerf those things when some people have put effort and time in terms of developing maintaining and preparing for CW with these ambitions in mind. Just for some whiney bunch of clanners who have not been preparing as well, been more concerned with trials and other clan frivolities and then arguing amongst themselves so that they are not well organised and also at the same time trying to ensure thay have the best tech against the IS.

The tools are the same for both at the end of the day.

So all I can conclude is that MS walks the walk and gets the job done, Wolf then simply a bunch of whiners rather than stepping up to the challenge want to solve their problems as forum warriors. Just a shame that I guess some of the Clan wolf most vocal representatives then only wish to insult those who have been preparing well and put the effort in and want to continue to do so then have to put up with your more "lazy" approach to the issues. And then you cannot see why other units and people are not "offended" with how you represent yourselves and the arrogance of this attitude.

(Due respect to GK and other noteable Clan wolf units who have prepared for CW and having to suffer this fractured and disfunctional clan)

#131 Alexander Steel

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 08:03 PM

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How would you like it if someone came into your house and moved into your room and they said, "we live here now because we don't have enough room in our house."


Not sure if this is supposed to be cosmic level irony coming from a member of the Clans.

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Lastly, I really and truly hope this is not taken wrong but, I personally cannot support bullying tactics like this.


How dare they make war on people in a giant stompy robot game about... making... war... on.. other.. people... oh... um... hmm....


I guess the motto is now stop fighting each other it's just bullying!

Edited by Alexander Steel, 02 February 2015 - 08:05 PM.


#132 Black Nationalist Gul Dukat

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 09:38 PM

View PostTEOLAYKI, on 02 February 2015 - 04:27 PM, said:

First off I'll admit that the conflict does bug me and I would be glad for it to be over, but be serious folks. MS sounds exactly like Russia right now...


Please don't make facile geopolitical analogies regarding an internet robot game. Thanks.

#133 Jaroth Corbett

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 10:38 PM

View PostAlexander Steel, on 02 February 2015 - 08:03 PM, said:

Not sure if this is supposed to be cosmic level irony coming from a member of the Clans.


This is like the Clans how????/

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 10:40 PM

View PostJaroth Corbett, on 02 February 2015 - 10:38 PM, said:


This is like the Clans how????/


there pushing in forcing there way on the IS

#135 Malcolm Vordermark

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 10:43 PM

View PostBlack Nationalist Gul Dukat, on 02 February 2015 - 09:38 PM, said:


Please don't make facile geopolitical analogies regarding an internet robot game. Thanks.


You are too reasonable a person to be in this thread.

#136 Jaroth Corbett

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Posted 02 February 2015 - 11:02 PM

View Posthybrid black, on 02 February 2015 - 10:40 PM, said:


there pushing in forcing there way on the IS


They are children returning to the home of their parents. Essentially the guys who took over are squatters.

Edited by Jaroth Corbett, 02 February 2015 - 11:02 PM.


#137 TEOLAYKI

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 01:35 AM

View PostTEOLAYKI, on 02 February 2015 - 04:27 PM, said:

Lastly, I really and truly hope this is not taken wrong


I guess this was taken wrong.

View PostAlexander Steel, on 02 February 2015 - 08:03 PM, said:

Not sure if this is supposed to be cosmic level irony coming from a member of the Clans.


I guess it is. Good observation.

View PostNoesis, on 02 February 2015 - 07:36 PM, said:

If they were pointing a big shotgun in my face at the time I might just tend to agree with them. Can't really enjoy a king size bed if you're dead can you.

And no-one is being a bully.


This is basically the definition of bullying.

View PostNoesis, on 02 February 2015 - 07:36 PM, said:

You seriously want PGI to nerf those things...


No I don't want PSI to nerf those things and never said such a thing.

View PostNoesis, on 02 February 2015 - 07:36 PM, said:

So all I can conclude is that MS walks the walk and gets the job done, Wolf then simply a bunch of whiners...


Yes MS walks the walk and gets the job done. and I commend them/you for doing so

As for whiners... yes many of the posts do seem like that but not all and mine is one that is not.

View PostNoesis, on 02 February 2015 - 07:36 PM, said:

"offended" with how you represent yourselves and the arrogance of this attitude.


Not sure exactly what attitude you are talking about. I have not read all or alot of the forum topics, but I believe none was in my post.

Arrogance of Attitude comes in when you use such tatics and just expect everyone to like it.

View PostNoesis, on 02 February 2015 - 07:36 PM, said:

(Due respect to GK and other noteable Clan wolf units who have prepared for CW and having to suffer this fractured and disfunctional clan)


I agree, this at the moment is a disfunctional clan.

The whole point of my longer than intended post was "Don't expect everyone to like what you are doing.)

Now let me make something very clear. Being a lone warrior (no unit) I almost always drop total PUG and PUGs can be frustrating but I enjoy when I come up against MS and other such unit. (done so many times and died many many times) you have many great warriors. I enjoy the chalange and trying to learn new things fighting against them/you (and I am one of the Clan warriors that believes the 9S should not be nerfed). I will enjoy future encounters also. I have fun playing against and losing to you guys over and over again (truth not being sarcastic) I'm just waiting for more wins than the 1 to 20 record I have against you.

I look forward to more CW drops against you and Public Que drops with you.

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 01:49 AM

View PostTEOLAYKI, on 03 February 2015 - 01:35 AM, said:

This is basically the definition of bullying.


MS having better skill and less numbers than Wolf is not bullying. Humiliating to Wolf perhaps but not bullying.

The very fact that both sides have a shotgun, wolf perhaps having more shotguns, but MS being better able to use theirs is why you fail. But it isnt bullying. Otherwise you'd be effectively saying that any military action taken against another could be effectively called "bullying".

It is perhaps only "bullying" since any aggressive action you might have experienced in the playground was called such? But in warfare they kind of don't regard "fairness" outside of needed morality.

All is fair in love and war. And Clan Wolf now only want to play the victim it seems in trying to derive sympathy as opposed to capably defending yourselves. This whilst sending pictures of animals supposedly representative of ******* others in the ass cause you are so "leet" or whatever.

Such dissonance, such confusion, such manipulation, such pathetic.

As a better act of sympathy maybe one of the other Clans should call a trial of absorption for Clan Wolf and stop the embarresment to Clan Warfare?

#139 TEOLAYKI

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 01:51 AM

View PostNoesis, on 02 February 2015 - 07:36 PM, said:

(Due respect to GK and other noteable Clan wolf units who have prepared for CW and having to suffer this fractured and disfunctional clan)


Very disfunctional.

Just a funny and very sad story to share with you folks.

Not to long ago I fired up CW and the only Warriors on were Clan Wolf. We were all talking while waiting the 9 minutes and decided to Ghost Drop over and over again if we had to just to take the planet back. We dropped twice after that and got easy wins and the talk kept up. On the forth drop we came up against an opponent, I don't remember who, maybe MS. We got our butts kicked. When the match was over I signed up right away to fight for my planet again. I waited 20 minutes and I was the only one in wait. All the other left CW totally, did not even try to attack or defend another planet.

I am more disappointed in my Clan than the Mercs.


PS. How did all this BS start anyway. What did that person do. Can someone point me to the post and/or enlighten me.

#140 Lawrence Elsa

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Posted 03 February 2015 - 01:59 AM

I agree with you the most. When we fall down, we gotta get back up again. It is that simple.

as for who said what, just... don't even bother... just don't





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