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#301 Fox Kell

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 11:40 AM

View PostNecromantion, on 05 February 2015 - 09:42 AM, said:




Your sour replies or taking things out of context seems to continue. I said our losses of planets have been PRIMARILY on EU and Oceanic flips.

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Now that that has been clarified lets move on to your next point...

I am aware that pug matches unrelated to the groups in the MS and allied groups can result in the scales moving one way or another Kain Obvious, the SOLE point I made is that many players I talk to personally most days who live in EU/Oceanic areas in our unit and in others have described the exact scenario that I just passed on to you. The majority of CGB losses have been not on NA peak hours 2-3 of those 8+ planets have been during NA peak hours while the rest (which would be a majority JFYI) have been on the other 2 ceasefires for Oceanic and EU. Also CW does have a MUCH higher population in those time zones, especially the EU with all the Russian Wolf units. This is not fiction it is just what is happening in those attack phases.

I never implied you were claiming to be a "-MS- destroyer" which is humorous firstly because that would be a bit of a haughty claim for any wolf unit to be and secondly because I am talking about CGB as a whole, not -MS-.

Chapped? Yes indeed, over your inability to realize that I am not biased in any manner and am passing on info that has been given to me by players in various factions from the other timezone attack phases and from logging on through the day and seeing planets we flipped or flipped in the past lost through the day before the NA peak hours attack phase starts. I do find stupidity and irrationality irritating.




I haven't personally but I know I was talking with another fellow in the unit last night during a match and he said he had lost 2 in 4 days so I used that number so that I wouldn't sound biased.


Just reading up on the forums and found this. So much for you being undefeated, oops.

http://mwomercs.com/...t-of-tanh-linh/

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 11:58 AM

Ah yes on the weekend to 228 once! Also once again the point of my posts had nothing to do with -MS- and glorious victories it had to do with the comment about how apparently CW was flipping soooooooooo many CGB planets on NA peak hours when really its happening 70-80% of the time in the EU peak hours.

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 12:08 PM

View PostRepasy, on 05 February 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

So, I say unto all of you: LET THERE BE WAR.

I would rather have a Steiner target now that we have taken some CGB worlds :\

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 12:10 PM

View PostNecromantion, on 05 February 2015 - 11:58 AM, said:

Ah yes on the weekend to 228 once! Also once again the point of my posts had nothing to do with -MS- and glorious victories it had to do with the comment about how apparently CW was flipping soooooooooo many CGB planets on NA peak hours when really its happening 70-80% of the time in the EU peak hours.


Oh yeah, I wasnt following that part. Your probably right about the 80%. But you were wrong about claiming you havent lost in last 2 weeks.

And was it only once? Who knows, those are only a few screenshots ;).

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 12:13 PM

Everybody claims to have stupidly high win/loss percentages here on the forums. It's only because of dirty filthy Pugs, attacks during hours they are asleep or Turret drops that any planet ever changes hands. <_<

Yes I'm using the word "Everybody" In a hyperbole kind of way. :ph34r:

Edited by Alexander Steel, 05 February 2015 - 12:15 PM.


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Posted 05 February 2015 - 12:14 PM

View PostCyclonerM, on 05 February 2015 - 12:08 PM, said:

I would rather have a Steiner target now that we have taken some CGB worlds :\


Same here man, been so long since we fought the IS.

Clan on clan was fun and challenging but I would rather work with CGB, CSJ, CJF with maybe some minor skirmishes on the side to keep the edge sharp :).

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 12:38 PM

View PostFox Kell, on 05 February 2015 - 12:10 PM, said:

Oh yeah, I wasnt following that part. Your probably right about the 80%. But you were wrong about claiming you havent lost in last 2 weeks.

And was it only once? Who knows, those are only a few screenshots ;).


I have nothing to gain that I care about by lying on forums, honestly there have been so few losses in the last few weeks the 228 group should have stood out and I do recall that match from I believe this past weekend. Call me a forum martyr if you want but I deal in blunt honesty not convoluted drivel ever. Honestly I could care less if my honest and blunt approach offends people on the forums or in my daily life, I exercise tact unless people start acting stupid or disrespectful like two unnamed wolves already did on this thread, and no I am not directing that at you in any form.

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 01:10 PM

View PostMarc von der Heide, on 05 February 2015 - 06:01 AM, said:

Let us stop this bullshit talking and look at the facts. In the last 6 days CW took 8+ worlds from CBG.
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We have a war already going on and it is time for CBG to strike back.


Something to point out in all fairness, over the last 6 days during the Attack Windows which I have been on for I have noticed that Wolf has had a grand total of 1 Inner Sphere world available to attack otherwise all of their options have been CJF and CGB. Plus as of this morning at approx 3am PST Wolf bordered only 1 Inner Sphere world, the Capital World of Rasalhague which as far as I know Capital World will not be up for capture.

Myself and a few others have posted saying that we will defend a world if attacked but we understand the limited options Wolf currently have. MS basically stated in the opening post that they were up for Wolf just taking the worlds from CGB that MS used to trailblaze a CGB path to Steiner with. I do not think that most of Wolf views taking worlds needed in order to gain a proper attack vector as an intention of war on CGB and I am sure that CGB leadership understands why Wolf needs to attack it's allies, Wolf literally have no other option than to attack allies.

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 01:12 PM

View PostRepasy, on 05 February 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

Before this thread gets jettisoned for off-topic RAGING & FLAMING, could we possibly get back on track here? Nobody's gonna ignore anybody, nobody's gonna flame anyone. Maybe we could all agree to a verbal ceasefire so's to avoid the "name & shame" clause? Take a deep breath... relax... accepting, moving on... respecting the vision...



Goosfraba.

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Goosfraba.

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I think the Bear-Wolf conflict is a good thing right now. Clearly a lot of people are pretty high strung about it. They should release their anger into the game (or a pillow imo).

This conflict probably won't end until Wolf has gained some equal measure in terms of territory comparable to Ghost Bear. It's a classic power curb. Wolves feel threat of being absorbed. Ghost Bears feel antagonized for actions of select few. It's unfortunate, because I don't think anyone really wanted this, but it needs to play itself out in-game. Hypocrisy is rank among both factions, so nobody's gonna take anymore 'calling out' seriously. You'll look more and more like fools if you keep this forum-farce going.

Personally, I never wanted ceasefire to break between any of the clans. However, the issue of creeping into other faction's attack corridors made this unavoidable, so I'm not even going to bother arguing for peace anymore. If we truly respected the ceasefire in the first place, we would have ALSO respected attack corridors and adhered to them, for the sake of Operation Revival. This is not the case. Recent events have forced the hand of Wolves. I respect that, and others need to accept it.

So, I say unto all of you: LET THERE BE WAR.


I have enjoyed the war against Ghost Bear more than anything else we have done in CW so far and hope it lasts for a long time. Taking IS planets was nowhere near as satisfying as the last week has been taking planets from Ghost Bear. It is only going to get easier as well with them now having pissed off both of the other clans as well---there is no way they will be able to defend against all of these attacks.

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 01:24 PM

View PostJadeTimberwolf, on 05 February 2015 - 01:10 PM, said:


Something to point out in all fairness, over the last 6 days during the Attack Windows which I have been on for I have noticed that Wolf has had a grand total of 1 Inner Sphere world available to attack otherwise all of their options have been CJF and CGB. Plus as of this morning at approx 3am PST Wolf bordered only 1 Inner Sphere world, the Capital World of Rasalhague which as far as I know Capital World will not be up for capture.

Myself and a few others have posted saying that we will defend a world if attacked but we understand the limited options Wolf currently have. MS basically stated in the opening post that they were up for Wolf just taking the worlds from CGB that MS used to trailblaze a CGB path to Steiner with. I do not think that most of Wolf views taking worlds needed in order to gain a proper attack vector as an intention of war on CGB and I am sure that CGB leadership understands why Wolf needs to attack it's allies, Wolf literally have no other option than to attack allies.


Very true, however some dense puppies still cant wrap their heads around this... (see quoted post below)

View PostKain Thul, on 05 February 2015 - 01:12 PM, said:


I have enjoyed the war against Ghost Bear more than anything else we have done in CW so far and hope it lasts for a long time. Taking IS planets was nowhere near as satisfying as the last week has been taking planets from Ghost Bear. It is only going to get easier as well with them now having pissed off both of the other clans as well---there is no way they will be able to defend against all of these attacks.


We pissed off the other clans? Thats news to me, the only clan I recall taking tantrums and RPing over things on the forums and in game has been Clan Wolf and even then a good portion of Clan wolf players have pointed out the idiocy of the likes of yourself and Gyrok.

As Gyrok said the other night that they will "keep settling things on the battlefield as they have been" which is totally desirable to us when it comes down to the Cbills earned each time we play them. Personally SWOL is the only group that has put up much of a fight out of any of the wolf units I've faced in 12v12 matches in the last 6 weeks.

The only attacks we will struggle to defend are in EU peak hours.

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 01:54 PM

CGB seems to have decent presence in NA and Oceanic time zones, while Wolf has the same in NA and EU. At least that's what I gather from looking at the CW tracker on Outreach.

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 02:06 PM

View PostDavers, on 05 February 2015 - 01:54 PM, said:

CGB seems to have decent presence in NA and Oceanic time zones, while Wolf has the same in NA and EU. At least that's what I gather from looking at the CW tracker on Outreach.


This

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 02:25 PM

no other clans are pissed... Its actually fun

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 02:29 PM

View PostEspoir, on 04 February 2015 - 09:36 PM, said:


Aside from what the other wolves, one most notably... (Gyrok seems like such a baby, never met him, and hope I never have to. A true disgrace.) I am welcoming to a friendly disposition with the Ghost Bears. They have fought well, and done what needed to be done to meet their goals. That is far more than what many alliances and factions have managed to even come close to.

I am a true fan of someone who sets their sights on something, then does the work to complete it. I have no doubts that working side by side, Terra will be ours again soon.

I greatly appreciate the kindness shown, it is a mark of a good human, to wage war for things we love or desire, but when we have what we desire, to lay down arms in friendship once more. War is not life, once it is over. But so long as it wages, there is little room for peace. I hope the war between our factions can subside, so that friendship may grow and continue. We will crush the enemies who stand against us, and the might of the Wolf/Ghost Alliance will take what we set our minds on, no matter the cost.

<S> -MS-,
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View PostGyrok, on 04 February 2015 - 08:10 PM, said:

No problem, I knew some of you were decent, I just anticipated it to be a much lower % overall than what it appears may be the case.  Though, it is truly sad that the loud mouths you have are so loud they drown out the sensible people.

@Necro
@Errodien
@Noesis
All of you are on ignore.  So, if you are trying to stir things up, you are wasting your text.  Just FYI, I am not bothering to read any of your posts...takes more effort than it is worth to click "view anyway" for a troll.


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Posted 05 February 2015 - 02:31 PM

View PostKeira RAVEN McKenna, on 05 February 2015 - 02:25 PM, said:

no other clans are pissed... Its actually fun


Yes it is. No one is probably pissed "for real" (I would hope no one gets mad about a game) but they have been instigated into action.

http://mwomercs.com/...28#entry4168728

http://mwomercs.com/...t-of-tanh-linh/

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 02:50 PM

View PostKain Thul, on 05 February 2015 - 02:31 PM, said:


Yes it is. No one is probably pissed "for real" (I would hope no one gets mad about a game) but they have been instigated into action.

http://mwomercs.com/...28#entry4168728

http://mwomercs.com/...t-of-tanh-linh/


Oh no, posts on the forums by players from other units in other clan factions that are not even hostile!

When the only ground being lost consistently with contest is on EU peak hours and the only losses during NA are when we have been letting planets slide to allow sick puppies the hopes of more IS attack lanes I can guarantee that no CGB players are truly intimidated or worried by your assumptions of CGB being at bad standing with all of the clans somehow.

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 04:27 PM

View PostErrodien, on 05 February 2015 - 02:29 PM, said:

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Posted 05 February 2015 - 08:18 PM

View PostNecromantion, on 05 February 2015 - 01:24 PM, said:

We pissed off the other clans? Thats news to me,


Me too.

View PostKain Thul, on 05 February 2015 - 08:28 AM, said:


Nothing instills belief like repetition.


I think you have been sipping on your own juice for too long pal.

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Posted 06 February 2015 - 06:28 AM

View PostJaroth Corbett, on 05 February 2015 - 08:18 PM, said:


Me too.



You must be well sheltered from the rest of the community.

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Posted 06 February 2015 - 08:05 AM

MS is now with marik, I knew it ! They are extremist with the word of Blake all along...,





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