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[Dock Steward]

DavidHurricane, on 12 February 2015 - 09:30 AM, said:

Look, I want someone to prove to me that shutting down/not fighting isn't motivated or caused one of the following things:

• Pride
  
• Spite
  
• Cowardice
  
• Stupidity (lack of skills)

No one has yet. I don't think anyone will (of course I'm probably wrong, but so far there hasn't been a good track record).

In what context? Skirmish? Assault? CW? Generally speaking?

[Joseph Mallan]

MechWarrior5152251, on 12 February 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

I wouldn't know, I only play Skirmish...
I prefer battle to hide and seek...

Not a hunter are you?

[990Dreams]

Dock Steward, on 12 February 2015 - 09:35 AM, said:

In what context? Skirmish? Assault? CW? Generally speaking?

Skirmish, the main point of discussion. In Conquest it actually can make sense.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"there is no tactical reason to shut down as the last man standing and totally avoid engagement with the enemy."

But that's not what I said. I said "shut down to get the drop on someone". As in going off his radar so you can attack his rear armor after he walks by your position.

Ya know, I would have more sympathy for your position if it weren't for these kinds of distortions.

Edited by Fenrisulvyn, 12 February 2015 - 09:39 AM.

[RG Notch]

Joseph Mallan, on 12 February 2015 - 09:35 AM, said:

Its not grieving if I am not disturbed by it. Treason is treason, trying to stay alive is human nature. Even if it is just a game.

I'm not disturbed by people reporting the location of a powered down person hiding in skirmish, ergo not griefing either.

[Dock Steward]

DavidHurricane, on 12 February 2015 - 09:37 AM, said:

Skirmish, the main point of discussion. In Conquest it actually can make sense.

Once again, this is not the main point of the discussion. The discussion is all over the place. You have people saying it's BS to go "hide" in your base with turrets protecting you, etc.. That isn't Skirmish, is it. Very few of us are actually having the same conversation, and the conversation keeps changing.

Edited by Dock Steward, 12 February 2015 - 09:40 AM.

[990Dreams]

Dock Steward, on 12 February 2015 - 09:40 AM, said:

Once again, this is not the main point of the discussion. The discussion is all over the place. You have people saying it's BS to go "hide" in your base with turrets protecting you, etc.. That isn't Skirmish, is it. Very few of us are actually having the same conversation, and the conversation keeps changing.

Well, I'm staying on Skirmish, because people have yet to relent on it and have also yet to make a satisfactory case.

[Ghogiel]

Kjudoon, on 12 February 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

Then I guess shutdown must be removed from the game since using it is a violation of the rules.

False dichotomy.

[RedDevil]

Guys I think you're being trolled by Joseph Mallan.

[Joseph Mallan]

RG Notch, on 12 February 2015 - 09:39 AM, said:

I'm not disturbed by people reporting the location of a powered down person hiding in skirmish, ergo not griefing either.

Good then we have an understanding. You will play the game according to your interpretation and I'll play by mine.

reddevil, on 12 February 2015 - 09:43 AM, said:

Guys I think you're being trolled by Joseph Mallan.

Nope. I don't troll.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 12 February 2015 - 09:44 AM.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"We don't determine anything"

Sure you are. You are taking it on yourself to assume you know what the 12th man's motive and tactics are. When its become clear in this thread you don't have a grasp of tactics. I'm betting you report him the minute he moves away from the enemy, without even asking him what his plans are, as you've made it clear that in your world, anyone on a team that is "obviously" losing is just wasting your precious snowflake time by not doing a suicide run.

"Our job is to not shutdown and hide and to report player that do.

That's pretty cowardly of you. At least take some responsibility for what you are doing, instead of pushing it all on support.

"Support sorts it out"

I hope Support punishes you instead. What you are doing is griefing players with threats of administrative action because they refuse to die for your convenience.

And again - no one is saying the guy who shuts down and never engages shouldn't be reported. You guys have distorted and extended that to include tactics you feel are wasting your time.

[Ghogiel]

Fenrisulvyn, on 12 February 2015 - 09:51 AM, said:

"We don't determine anything"

Sure you are. You are taking it on yourself to assume you know what the 12th man's motive and tactics are. When its become clear in this thread you don't have a grasp of tactics. I'm betting you report him the minute he moves away from the enemy, without even asking him what his plans are, as you've made it clear that in your world, anyone on a team that is "obviously" losing is just wasting your precious snowflake time by not doing a suicide run.

"Our job is to not shutdown and hide and to report player that do.

That's pretty cowardly of you. At least take some responsibility for what you are doing, instead of pushing it all on support.

"Support sorts it out"

I hope Support punishes you instead. What you are doing is griefing players with threats of administrative action because they refuse to die for your convenience.

And again - no one is saying the guy who shuts down and never engages shouldn't be reported. You guys have distorted and extended that to include tactics you feel are wasting your time.

Come test my tactics in game if they so sub par.

[PurpleNinja]

By the gods, this thread is still alive...

Joseph Mallan, on 12 February 2015 - 09:44 AM, said:

Nope. I don't troll.

I do.

All the time.

[Joseph Mallan]

Ghogiel, on 12 February 2015 - 09:55 AM, said:

Come test my tactics in game if they so sub par.

What time are you on? What GST is it?

[Ghogiel]

Joseph Mallan, on 12 February 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

What time are you on? What GST is it?

Im on now if you want to have a go.

get that fenris in here as well

Edited by Ghogiel, 12 February 2015 - 09:59 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Ghogiel, on 12 February 2015 - 09:59 AM, said:

Im on now if you want to have a go.

get that fenris in here as well

I'm at work unfortunately. Will you be around in say 4 hours?

[Ghogiel]

Joseph Mallan, on 12 February 2015 - 10:00 AM, said:

I'm at work unfortunately. Will you be around in say 4 hours?

I'll try. Just friend me anyway and we can have some goes if I'm not on tonight.

[Joseph Mallan]

Sounds like a plan.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Kjudoon, on 12 February 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

Then I guess shutdown must be removed from the game since using it is a violation of the rules.

We get it, YOUR view of the game is the only valid one and the rest of us are total jackwagons for FORCING our style of play on you, that's pretty clear by now.

However....

WE didn't make these rules, PGI did, and PGI enforces them, not us, we simply report you when you violate them or we THINK you violated them.

PGI does the actual investigation, and they DO actually investigate the reports. If they see you have a habit of violating the rules, they'll let you know you need to stop or else. PGI DOES THIS, NOT THE PLAYERS.

You really need to get that concept down, we, the players, do not set the rules or punish those who violate them, PGI does that. We don't even get to decide if you did or did not violate the rules, PGI does that.

Keep on trying to make it out that you are a victim, the rules are set by and enforced by PGI, not the players.

[Crockdaddy]

Um ... stop hiding in a Spider 5D for the last 5 minutes of being the only one left alive and people will stop reporting the last man. (not saying you but this happens fairly often).