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[990Dreams]

Kjudoon, on 12 February 2015 - 07:59 AM, said:

Again David, you are demanding say over how someone plays their game.

If you want a response directly quote something in my post.

What I'm demanding is that you somehow fight instead of just troll off. Put yourself on the flipside.

It's a sunny day on Alpine. 8 Minutes left in the game. 11 enemy carcasses litter the ground, at the expense of nine of your allies being reduced to scrap. Now you have to waste 8 minutes of MW:O time (which for some of us is limited¹) looking for this person on the biggest map in history all because of any number of reasons not limited to:

• Some pride issue
  
• Fear of their KDR being damaged
  
• Some issue with dying
  
• Taking pleasure out of wasting 8 minutes
  
• Not being smart enough to fight well

I'm not saying you or Cathy or whoever have these problems. But guess what, I have a life, and it isn't MW:O, and I don't get to play as often as I used to. I enjoy MW:O, and people waste my time on it like this. Some people are nice and just run around in their Commando wreaking havoc until they lose a leg. Some people deathball and make an epic ending. Some people snipe until their found. And some people are fine and dandy wasting 8 minutes rather than just picking up their last ball, loading the cannon, firing and leaving for more ammo (metaphorically).



TL;DR: Cower if you want, or do the world a favor, man up, and die (in game of course).

1:Citation: Me and a lot of other people I know

Addendum:

Cathy, on 12 February 2015 - 08:00 AM, said:

Hmm thinking more on that so if this person, who may or may not be a factual person shot three times in seven minutes that means the other eleven people, were steam rolled in eight minutes and are now whining like spoiled children at the only member of their team that's playing with any intelligence or skill.

Just Hmmm..

I need punctuation to understand things the same way Java needs a ";" to understand things.

Cathy, on 12 February 2015 - 08:00 AM, said:

Hmm thinking more on that.

So if this person, who may or may not be a factual person, shot three times in seven minutes that means the other eleven people, who were steam rolled in eight minutes and are now whining like spoiled children at the only member of their team that's playing with any intelligence or skill.

Just hmmm...

3 times in seven minutes is (in my opinion) cowardice, unless he took some heat for those three shots. Now if they're playing smart, but it prolongs the game, I'm fine with that, I respect that, I do that. Same thing if opportunity shows itself only 3 times.

But if they just hide for 7 minutes, or refuse to take opportunistic shots, that's just stupidity or cowardice. In my book, you have the right to whine about it.

TL;DR: Play how you want, or do the world a favor, man up, and use your brain to take opportunity when it comes.

Edited by DavidHurricane, 12 February 2015 - 08:30 AM.

[MechWarrior5152251]

Can't this whining little sheite just stop playing skirmish? No one is going to report you for running back to base in Assault or Conquest Mode....

There should be a "NO COWARDS" rule for Skirmish mode...

Edited by MechWarrior5152251, 12 February 2015 - 08:43 AM.

[Jetfire]

Reporting a DC or AFK mech is fine imo.
Reporting a mech that is still trying to get a win... poor form.

We had a stripped dragon lure a team into turrets to force a cap win and get more assists with a chance as turret win as the enemy team was pretty cherry CT, and someone immediately reported his location. This is not ok.

I have seen many matches flip on a single mech. It isn't all the time, but a good 5-10% of the time I have seen it happen. Those are very cool matches to watch and giving them away is awful.

[Creovex]

It was stated a long time ago by a Mod (trying to find the post... wish the search worked better) that if you are the last guy hiding to win (you have a cap lead and near win condition) in Conquest it was okay, but all other last man hiding scenarios were not and should be reported.

Edited by Creovex, 12 February 2015 - 08:46 AM.

[Jetfire]

MechWarrior5152251, on 12 February 2015 - 08:41 AM, said:

Can't this whining little sheite just stop playing skirmish? No one is going to report you for running back to base in Assault or Conquest Mode....

Happens more than you would think.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Oddly enough, if you aren't in Skirmish mode, there's other ways to win besides killing the enemy team, so you are allowed to use tactics that don't include engagement at all.

Skirmish, last man standing has a duty to engage the enemy because there is NO other way to win. Failure to engage is failure to play the game mode by the rules, you are not participating. You don't want to participate, don't drop at all, much less drop in Skirmish, you are liable to get reported for it. Do it enough times, you'll be warned to stop, continue, get a tempban, keep doing it after that and get a permban. It's pretty simple, Skirmish is NOT about you getting to run out the clock if you can't win and don't want to die. You are doing nothing but protecting your KDR since there's literally only one other reason to hide and avoid engaging the enemy, griefing. Not going to get a win, not going to get a draw, so that only leaves protecting your KDR or griefing, BOTH are against the CoC and both will get you reported.

Some of you keep trying to make this about the other players demanding you play their way and that's IT! No, PGI set the rules so it's about you playing by the rules PGI set, NOT the rules YOU want to make up as you go along. YOU are trying to force the rest of us to play by YOUR rules and that's bs. You don't like Skirmish, don't play it, simple as that.

'but the group leader picked Skirmish, so I don't have to play'..wrong, you do have to play or you disconnect at the very start. At least no one has to go hunting for your empty Mech that way and no one will report you, we'll just figure you lost connection due to whatever reason, end of story. Pretty simple huh?

Cathy, if the player has spent the LAST 7 minutes of the Skirmish drop playing hide and seek and firing at the enemy, guess what? TOTALLY within the CoC, they are engaging the enemy, no one is liable to report them and if they do, it'll be ignored as the player was actually participating.

Now, if that player shot 3 times total prior to being the last one standing and THEN went and hid...well...you obviously haven't paid attention if that's your question. That's a violation of the CoC in the Skirmish game mode.

I just asked a co-worker this question :
"you are playing a game, 2 teams, objective is to eliminate the other team. You are the last man standing on your team, other team has 3 players left. If you go and hide and totally avoid engaging the enemy, which means no chance of winning or even getting a draw, what is the purpose of hiding, why would you do that?"
He looked at me, grinned and said..
"Spite"

My co-worker has no idea what game I'm talking about, he doesn't even play video games, so his response should make it pretty clear to all of you trying to defend this action exactly what it is and why it's against the CoC.

Oh, Cathy, I already pointed out a few times in this thread, if you make false reports, you will be warned to stop it. Keep doing it and you'll get a tempban followed by a permban if you keep doing it. Ask the remaining Goonie players about that, lots of their previous teammates aren't around for exactly that reason, a tactic they used in EVE and tried here. Unlike EVE however, PGI will permban you despite you having dropped a few hundred dollars on the game, and the Goonies didn't expect that.

[Ghogiel]

Creovex, on 12 February 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

It was stated a long time ago by a Mod (trying to find the post... wish the search worked better) that if you are the last guy hiding to win (you have a cap lead and near win condition) in Conquest it was okay, but all other last man hiding scenarios were not and should be reported.

I remember that. Not sure if it was Niko or not.

[990Dreams]

Creovex, on 12 February 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

It was stated a long time ago by a Mod (trying to find the post... wish the search worked better) that if you are the last guy hiding to win (you have a cap lead and near win condition) in Conquest it was okay, but all other last man hiding scenarios were not and should be reported.

Cite it. I don't doubt you, but proof is optimal.

Jetfire, on 12 February 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

Reporting a mech that is still trying to get a win... poor form.

That is the general consensus here. Problem isn't with these guys, problem is with cowards who refuse to fight.

Kristov Kerensky, on 12 February 2015 - 08:49 AM, said:

Cathy, if the player has spent the LAST 7 minutes of the Skirmish drop playing hide and seek and firing at the enemy, guess what? TOTALLY within the CoC, they are engaging the enemy, no one is liable to report them and if they do, it'll be ignored as the player was actually participating.

Within CoC, but you still have a right to complain if they're doing a bad job. Just restating an earlier point.

Kristov Kerensky, on 12 February 2015 - 08:49 AM, said:

"Spite"

Not always the motive, but hiding is a spiteful thing to do. to the other players. As I've been stating.

Also, for the record, hiding for 30 seconds is OK. Heck, even 1 minute is passable. Not much time wasted. The problem is when you waste a perfectly good amount of time hiding.

Edited by DavidHurricane, 12 February 2015 - 08:55 AM.

[Creovex]

Ghogiel, on 12 February 2015 - 08:49 AM, said:

I remember that. Not sure if it was Niko or not.

You might be right, I think it was Niko. I know it wasn't Egomane.

[Joseph Mallan]

Ghogiel, on 12 February 2015 - 07:51 AM, said:

Go to training grounds if you want to explore the map. But yeah those dead players can sit back and shut up/DC whatever. However MY game has not ended along with 11 other players on my team and the shutdown SDR hiding is breaking the ToS and is going to get reported by the other team as much as his own.



that exists already. They will take action against your account for griefing support.

Then your objective is to FIND that shut down player. I see no fault in making you work for your kill. If you cannot find him then you don'rt deserve teh honor of the the kill. I see nothing wrong with making someone work a little.

[Dock Steward]

Kristov Kerensky, on 12 February 2015 - 08:49 AM, said:

(snipped for brevity)

I agree with basically everything you say here...because you're talking about Skirmish, but there are others in this thread who want to apply those ideas to Assault and say that "hiding" is griefing. Categorically false. Falling back to an armed base is completely different.

[RedDevil]

This has happened a couple times in CW, when there's still 16 minutes left and a lone mech hides out of spite, isn't that a form of griefing? To this day I still don't know where the hell that little bugger hid, but the whole 16 minutes was wasted.

The second time was only 8 minutes, but also annoying.

Edited by reddevil, 12 February 2015 - 08:58 AM.

[Creovex]

I stand corrected, it was not Niko, it was Primus of Comstar

It's called "Non-Participation Abuse"

http://mwomercs.com/...ploitsgriefing/

And it is reportable!

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Non-Participation Abuse
If a player has joined a match, they must have launched the game with intent to play. Players who are not moving, or are otherwise not participating in the spirit of the game, fall under this category.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^CITED^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

DavidHurricane, on 12 February 2015 - 08:51 AM, said:

Cite it. I don't doubt you, but proof is optimal.

Edited by Creovex, 12 February 2015 - 09:03 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

MechWarrior5152251, on 12 February 2015 - 08:41 AM, said:

Can't this whining little sheite just stop playing skirmish? No one is going to report you for running back to base in Assault or Conquest Mode....

There should be a "NO COWARDS" rule for Skirmish mode...

Really? If the player fought and lived to be the last man standing That does not fit with my definition of Coward.

[Ghogiel]

Joseph Mallan, on 12 February 2015 - 08:54 AM, said:

Then your objective is to FIND that shut down player. I see no fault in making you work for your kill. If you cannot find him then you don'rt deserve teh honor of the the kill. I see nothing wrong with making someone work a little.

Your opinion is irrelevent to the matter as PGI has already laid out the rules we all agree to play by.

[Joseph Mallan]

Ghogiel, on 12 February 2015 - 08:57 AM, said:

Your opinion is irrelevent to the matter as PGI has already laid out the rules we all agree to play by.

And we are. That you are unable to accept those rules is what is irrelevant. They participated, they are the last man standing, taking a kill away from you is a worthy goal. It is also not against the rules as written.

[RG Notch]

Joseph Mallan, on 12 February 2015 - 09:01 AM, said:

And we are. That you are unable to accept those rules is what is irrelevant. They participated, they are the last man standing, taking a kill away from you is a worthy goal. It is also not against the rules as written.

Except that PGI has, through it's support staff, stated that it is. So you can feel however you like, and people who disagree and can report such people and the reported player may be sanctioned. The fact that you are unable to accept these rules is irrelevant.

[Ghogiel]

Joseph Mallan, on 12 February 2015 - 09:01 AM, said:

And we are. That you are unable to accept those rules is what is irrelevant. They participated, they are the last man standing, taking a kill away from you is a worthy goal. It is also not against the rules as written.

read it and weep

Quote

Non-Participation Abuse
If a player has joined a match, they must have launched the game with intent to play. Players who are not moving, or are otherwise not participating in the spirit of the game, fall under this category.

[Raggedyman]

From all of the above it's becoming more obvious that we need an 'engagement timer' for this game mode, as because what counts as "Still Actively Playing" seems to be something that people can't agree on and that any break in the deathening
in what is considered to be a head-first suicide-charge brawl-fest only game mode where any kind of tactics or hit-and-run cowardice is heresy that should be reported straight away.


So, would people be happy with a 'team with most live players, 30 seconds after the last connecting shot has landed' approach? Or would a 15 second timer be more acceptable to your demands for people to stick to the purity of this hallowed game mode?

[Joseph Mallan]

RG Notch, on 12 February 2015 - 09:05 AM, said:

Except that PGI has, through it's support staff, stated that it is. So you can feel however you like, and people who disagree and can report such people and the reported player may be sanctioned. The fact that you are unable to accept these rules is irrelevant.

I just wonder. How many of those players reported ever got reprimanded. Also, reporting the last player to PGI is fine, not reporting their location in game.

Ghogiel, on 12 February 2015 - 09:06 AM, said:

read it and weep

I read it. I don't think it means what you think it does.