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[Kristov Kerensky]

Jman5, on 16 February 2015 - 01:54 PM, said:

Nobody cares what you think the TOS says or how they should be enforced. What matters is how these rules are applied by PGI. Nobody gets in trouble for it because its common sense that when some loser shuts down with no intention of winning or tying he should get called out so the game will end.

You can tell me I'm breaking the rules until you're blue in the face. The moment you stop trying to play to win or at least tie, is the moment you have lost any expectation of your team keeping quiet.

I don't know why I'm bothering. Keep sputtering for another 30 pages guys. I'm sure it will change everything.

Blood is correct, you are wrong, team treason is against the rules. Don't tell people to follow the rules if you are also going to tell them break them.

[Psydotek]

Dead players can still chat with the living?

[Slepnir]

Kristov Kerensky, on 16 February 2015 - 02:33 PM, said:

Blood is correct, you are wrong, team treason is against the rules. Don't tell people to follow the rules if you are also going to tell them break them.

Bingo, Jman you are the one who will get reported and punished, they do enforce the rules despite what you might think. I suspect I have assisted quite a few players taking a short unintentional vacation from the game. I report team treason every time even if it is on the enemy team.

[ZippySpeedMonkey]

If a fore mentioned "last man standing" is wasting our time by:

a) powered down
b)facing a wall
c) not making a serious attempt to kill enemy mechs

Then their position gets reported, it's as simple as that...

[Kjudoon]

Psydotek, on 16 February 2015 - 03:14 PM, said:

Dead players can still chat with the living?

Stoopid necromancy.

Yes...

ZippySpeedMonkey, on 16 February 2015 - 05:44 PM, said:

If a fore mentioned "last man standing" is wasting our time by:

a) powered down
b)facing a wall
c) not making a serious attempt to kill enemy mechs

Then their position gets reported, it's as simple as that...

I see. So this is given a "boredom exemption"?

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Team Treason
Treasonous provision of information to enemy combatants, also known as "bird-doging" is forbidden. This involves a player using the in-game chat to provide the enemy team with the locations of their own team mates. While we appreciate that some players may wish to have a round end early by calling out the location of an AFK team-mate, the risk that this could be used against an active participant of the match to deny them the use of cover and movement makes this a form of a griefing. You may declare a teammate AFK but not their coordinates or position.

So... all my legalist 'friends'.

What say you?

Wait, never mind. I don't care what you say on this. I'll just report those I see doing it, and screenshot evidence is hard to deny.

Edited by Kjudoon, 16 February 2015 - 05:58 PM.

[Bloodweaver]

Jman5, on 16 February 2015 - 01:54 PM, said:

Nobody cares what you think the TOS says or how they should be enforced. What matters is how these rules are applied by PGI. Nobody gets in trouble for it because its common sense that when some loser shuts down with no intention of winning or tying he should get called out so the game will end.

You can tell me I'm breaking the rules until you're blue in the face. The moment you stop trying to play to win or at least tie, is the moment you have lost any expectation of your team keeping quiet.

I don't know why I'm bothering. Keep sputtering for another 30 pages guys. I'm sure it will change everything.

The ignorance is strong in this one. And the accusation that one must be a sputtering madman for disagreeing with you, just lol. See above if you don't like to hear it from me; you are, in fact, wrong. It's not what I think the ToS says, read them for yourself. Some people...

Psydotek, on 16 February 2015 - 03:14 PM, said:

Dead players can still chat with the living?

Unfortunately. Changing that alone, would probably solve at least half of the problems brought up in this thread.

ZippySpeedMonkey, on 16 February 2015 - 05:44 PM, said:

If a fore mentioned "last man standing" is wasting our time by:

a) powered down
b)facing a wall
c) not making a serious attempt to kill enemy mechs

Then their position gets reported, it's as simple as that...

And the person reporting their position, gets reported to PGI for breaching the ToS, simple as that.

Edited by Bloodweaver, 16 February 2015 - 07:54 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

According to the guys at support, its against the "spirit of the rules" and can get you kicked from a Tournament but for the regular games not in itself against the rules. When they roll out UI 2.0, that will fix the problem as dead players wont be able to talk with live ones.

No joke:

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And the person reporting their position, gets reported to PGI for breaching the ToS, simple as that.

Zippy... wasnt it you in a game with me an DS5 where you were shut down so the guy wouldnt get the first shot on when he crested the ridge and the ***** PUGs called out yer position an got you killed? Or was that Monk?

It was a time where we all reported the ****** who did it after the match.

Bloodweaver, on 16 February 2015 - 07:53 PM, said:

And the person reporting their position, gets reported to PGI for breaching the ToS, simple as that.

Thats what I do but youll note they dont care

Kristov Kerensky, on 16 February 2015 - 02:33 PM, said:

Blood is correct, you are wrong, team treason is against the rules. Don't tell people to follow the rules if you are also going to tell them break them.

See the part in the image I just linked and youll see you actually are wrong. They dont care

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 16 February 2015 - 08:09 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Kjudoon, on 16 February 2015 - 05:54 PM, said:

Stoopid necromancy.

Yes...


I see. So this is given a "boredom exemption"?



So... all my legalist 'friends'.

What say you?

Wait, never mind. I don't care what you say on this. I'll just report those I see doing it, and screenshot evidence is hard to deny.

See the image in my reply. Since you like giant font so, Ill reply in kind



THEY DONT CARE

Even so much they removed the change in the chat system that would have fixed the entire issue by making it so the dead ppl cant talk with the living (it was supposed to be part of UI 2.0)

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 16 February 2015 - 08:15 PM.

[Kjudoon]

So eeeeeeveryone reports everyone and goes whining off to mommy.

You know what? We need PGI to be the daddy here.

"We were playing and Jimmy hid on me causing me to not win easy!"

"So? Why didn't you go get him if you were winning?"

"Because I'm fat and slow and not quick witted enough to get him!"

"Then maybe you are doing something wrong and should L2P better."

"BUT I DON'T WANNA AND MOMMY GIVES ME EVERYTHING I CRY ABOUT!"

"I'm not mom."

"But I want to punch him in the face and he won't come out and LET ME!!! AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!"

"Tell you what I am gonna give you, a spanking and a trip to your room if you don't go back to playing nice with your brother and quit bothering me with your frilly pants little whines! Toughen up kid! The world doesn't owe you anything, crying isn't going to earn it and I won't just hand it to you either.... Jimmy does something that's wrong for real, come talk to me."

"...And don't let me catch you starting other crap thinking that it's justified when Jimmy's not really doing anything wrong!"

That's what I wish we got out of PGI more often.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Kjudoon, on 16 February 2015 - 08:18 PM, said:

You know what? We need PGI to be the daddy here.


That's what I wish we got out of PGI more often.

They already ruled on it. See the image I posted

Dont understand the further problem

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 16 February 2015 - 08:20 PM.

[Ratpoison]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 16 February 2015 - 08:11 PM, said:

According to the guys at support, its against the "spirit of the rules" and can get you kicked from a Tournament but for the regular games not in itself against the rules. When they roll out UI 2.0, that will fix the problem as dead players wont be able to talk with live ones.

No joke:





Zippy... wasnt it you in a game with me an DS5 where you were shut down so the guy wouldnt get the first shot on when he crested the ridge and the ***** PUGs called out yer position an got you killed? Or was that Monk?

It was a time where we all reported the ****** who did it after the match.



Thats what I do but youll note they dont care



See the part in the image I just linked and youll see you actually are wrong. They dont care

Look again, "enforced more strictly" implies that the rule IS enforced in normal games, and moreso in tournament games. Try reading next time before you act like an authority.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

tortuousGoddess, on 16 February 2015 - 08:43 PM, said:

Try reading next time before you act like an authority.

Take your own advice. Because they said IF the guy "really becomes obnoxious" THEN theyd be more likely to do something. Im betting that doesnt cover a single game.

Not theyll just do it off the first response. Again they gives no ****

And he said it would only BE "enforced more strongly" during tourneys.

Not during the regular game

Read it again.

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 16 February 2015 - 08:47 PM.

[Auxian]

Whenever I'm last man standing, which in my Catapults happens surprisingly more now. I usually just bum rush them doing a House Kurita style kamikaze.

[Slepnir]

So what year was this email sent? I only see the November date, since it seems to contradict what egomane came into the forums and said a year ago.

You want to finally settle this? Tomorrow morning get on twitter with russ AKA the big boss man, (I don't twitter so I won't be doing it)
and ask him-

1.is there any circumstance where team treason is allowed?, like people powering down etc..
2.if not, is PGI going to strictly enforce the team treason rules(and the Code Of Conduct in general) and punish offenders?

(Then post his screen capture reply in this topic)

If not, I will be more than happy to take that as permission to dish out immediate judgement and punishment if the person who team treasoned me shows up in my team on the next drop.

If you want chaos in the game where we only "kinda care about the code of conduct" then it works both ways. you screw up my game as the last man standing then I will be certain to screw up your game equally for every infraction.

Edited by Slepnir, 17 February 2015 - 01:57 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Bloodweaver, on 16 February 2015 - 01:30 PM, said:

You are wrong on point #1. Which invalidates most of the rest of what you say, too. Reporting your teammate's location is ALWAYS a violation of the rules, no matter what that teammate is doing or why. You can report his behavior to PGI, but giving out his location is not allowed. Period. Giving out the coordinates for a disconnected 'mech is fine, since there's no longer a player present.

If said Teammate does not reply to <TEAM>chat and hasn't moved since the drop. I will give teh location of the DC. If the player responds, I wish him/her luck and sit back and wait.


So the part that says, "We don't worry about it" Seems to be over looked. Plus what is the spirit of the game?The spirit to you is likely different than it is to me.

I'm a brawler/fighter. I like to get in the mix and beat you guys up. Others are sneaky backstabbers, preferring to weave in and out of the fight making life heck for you. Some of us are the patient sniper bringing pain at range.

All of that is part of teh Spirit of the game. If the objective is to kill each other and I am out manned 5:1, Keeping you from killing me is in teh spirit of the game. Denying the enemy their goal IS the spirit of combat/Competition.

[Mudhutwarrior]

I just know this has gone too far because every idiot instantly decides the last man is doing nothing. Last night I was #4 to fall in a very hot fight against a good team. I watched a 3l sniper just pick apart the other team. It was 4 to 2 and our guy got killed and withing seconds was reporting the 3ls position. We told him to shut up and over the next 3 minutes that raven killed the last four. The idiot apologized but it was just dumb luck the raven could move in time to save the match.

That's what bending the rules creates. Judgement before evidence or critical thought.

I generally despise such people because what they do carries into real life. Like the idiot who called police in a Walmart because a dude was carrying a toy rifle he picked up in the store. Two dead, the guy holding the toy gun and the heart attack victim because of the police gunshots.

It carries into real life. As for me I will automatically declare you and a-hole when you call out teamates in chat. Not because of that but because it means your an idiot without thought or care in real life.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Slepnir, on 17 February 2015 - 01:55 AM, said:

You want to finally settle this? Tomorrow morning get on twitter with russ AKA the big boss man, (I don't twitter so I won't be doing it)
and ask him-

Youll have to do that, he blocked me from his Twitter and I honestly dont know why. Even when I WAS asking him pointed questions he never blocked me, he did it when I hadnt said anything to him in several months so I dont know what the cause WAS

And the date was the november before UI 2.0 came out thats what last year?

And Egomane isnt a representitive or PGI anymore is he?

[Raggedyman]

Jman5, on 16 February 2015 - 10:25 AM, said:

This thread is still going on?

I'm sorry(ish), I appear to have spawned a monster.

[Slepnir]

Not really, you just have a bunch of players who feel entitled at the expense of the people who are still alive. a full 15 minutes of gameplay by the live person appears to ruffle their ADHD little world event though they agreed to it when they installed the game, and can leave at any time without penalty because they are already dead.


Now it just comes down to rather I keep reporting these team treason #@$%**s. or, I just leg them next time I see them as payment, if PGI doesn't really care. Only Russ can settle this for certain.

[MechWarrior3671771]

Zippy: If a fore mentioned "last man standing" is wasting our time by ...not making a serious attempt to kill enemy mechs...Then their position gets reported, it's as simple as that..."

And Zippy gets to determine if your attempt is "serious".... or you wlll be reported. LOL.

Edited by Fenrisulvyn, 17 February 2015 - 06:06 AM.