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[Asrrin]

Mcgral18, on 10 February 2015 - 08:11 AM, said:

So, again, you've got no issues with 40% heat Badder Primes and NoVa-A's.


Just double checking. Because I'd be alright with that, it's only fair that both Bad chassis, from both factions, get adequate buffs. Because it's in no way out of line.

Correct. when everyone is as powerful as a timbergod, no one is.

[BARBAR0SSA]

Asrrin, on 10 February 2015 - 08:20 AM, said:

Correct. when everyone is as powerful as a timbergod, no one is.

How about you go record a video of you fighting two Firestarter SPLs boats in a Timber, you have a 5T advantage and you're in the best mech. There's no way you should lose.

Go brawl with a 5SS on Sulphurous using a Timber, start at 300M


After you're done getting your ass handed to you, post those videos. It's not this super god mech it's made out to be unless you're only playing 12 v 12...then you should just walk away.

Edited by shad0w4life, 10 February 2015 - 08:29 AM.

[Ghogiel]

Clint Steel, on 09 February 2015 - 06:43 AM, said:

The PPCs on the 9s are basically unnerfed PPCs from back in the day.

I do think they are very effective weapons Maybe a little less heat reduction, like 10% less would be ok. Personally I think the Catapult K2, and the Awesomes should get the same quirks as the Thunderbolt.

Blame the genius that did the tier listing and putting a TDR so low. It just wasn't a CTF 3D is all. It wasn't a 'bad' mech imo.

Edited by Ghogiel, 10 February 2015 - 08:33 AM.

[Wildstreak]

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Asrrin, on 10 February 2015 - 07:45 AM, said:

All I see in this thread are a bunch of clammers crying because they are no longer p2w and window licking IS pilots that want to nerf everything that kills them.

Cry more, and then get better.

Show who really needs to get ignored, quoted poster and others like them.

[Asrrin]

shad0w4life, on 10 February 2015 - 08:28 AM, said:

How about you go record a video of you fighting two Firestarter SPLs boats in a Timber, you have a 5T advantage and you're in the best mech. There's no way you should lose.

Go brawl with a 5SS on Sulphurous using a Timber, start at 300M


After you're done getting your ass handed to you, post those videos. It's not this super god mech it's made out to be unless you're only playing 12 v 12...then you should just walk away.

If you are stupid enough to get within 300m of any IS mech without the support of your team you deserve to lose. It sounds like you simply don't know how to play the game.

[BARBAR0SSA]

Asrrin, on 10 February 2015 - 08:36 AM, said:

If you are stupid enough to get within 300m of any IS mech without the support of your team you deserve to lose. It sounds like you simply don't know how to play the game.

You completely dodged the point of that, now you're saying it's not the mech but the team that makes a difference. Don't change the subject, you flat out know you'd get destroyed.

So here you go; have 6 teammates in laser Timbers and you fight 12 SPL firestarters, You have a 30T advantage and are in the godly mechs.

I love how you completely dodged the 5ss vs timber brawl, you know that it's going to not be this lopsided victory where the timber walks out with a scratch, it's most likely going to be beat on badly by a smaller mech.

Feel free to come tell me how to play in CW, I don't really like the 12 v 12 you spend your time hiding in thinking your a pro when you alpha shut down to score a kill since it's not as much of a death sentence as CW, am I close? hmm Pumpkin

[Weeny Machine]

Zerstorer Stallin, on 07 February 2015 - 06:45 PM, said:

Again the op and most other nerfers have missed the point. It's not the thunderbolt, the quirks or the erppc that is the issue. It's the high alpha pin point meta where stacking the same weapon and pushing the I win button is king. Until there is either a limit on what weapons can be placed in what slot, or a major increase to both cool down and heat for this kind if game play, it will be the meta king. Stop the cries for weapon and quirk nerfs and start talking about the real issue.

There was a thread about convergence. Some people were in favour of it and some screamed bloody hell because "every shooter out there would have convergence". Let's go on playing Mechfield: Call of Online Duty
Edit: And yes, I agree with you. Convergence is the root of the evil in combination with high alphas

Edited by Bush Hopper, 10 February 2015 - 09:08 AM.

[Mcgral18]

Bush Hopper, on 10 February 2015 - 09:07 AM, said:

There was a thread about convergence. Some people were in favour of it and some screamed bloody hell because "every shooter out there would have convergence". Let's go on playing Mechfield: Call of Online Duty
Edit: And yes, I agree with you. Convergence is the root of the evil in combination with high alphas

It's not convergence in itself, it's the magical instantaneous perfectly pinpoint convergence.

Progressive convergence would at least require something. Servers can't handle it though.

[Asrrin]

shad0w4life, on 10 February 2015 - 09:00 AM, said:

You completely dodged the point of that, now you're saying it's not the mech but the team that makes a difference. Don't change the subject, you flat out know you'd get destroyed.

So here you go; have 6 teammates in laser Timbers and you fight 12 SPL firestarters, You have a 30T advantage and are in the godly mechs.

I love how you completely dodged the 5ss vs timber brawl, you know that it's going to not be this lopsided victory where the timber walks out with a scratch, it's most likely going to be beat on badly by a smaller mech.

Feel free to come tell me how to play in CW, I don't really like the 12 v 12 you spend your time hiding in thinking your a pro when you alpha shut down to score a kill since it's not as much of a death sentence as CW, am I close? hmm Pumpkin

So what you are telling me is that if you purposefully gimp yourself by denying your mech's biggest advantage (range) and get into the optimal range of a build specifically built to kill things inside of 300m? It doesn't matter what build you have, you are the idiot who doesn't have the piloting skills to play optimally. No amount of over powered mech is going to save yourself from poor tactical awareness.

But if you want to see a Timby that beats a 5SS in a straight up brawler fight, x4 SRM6 and x4ERML will tear it a new one in short order.

And again, against a team of 12 SPL FS, you'd be an idiot not to take SSRM6's. Those firestarters would be torn to pieces in short order.

What you seem to fail to understand is that because you personally can't use a Timby to kill better pilots than you that it must not be as good as everyone says it is. The sad truth is that even game breakingly overpowered mechs (of which the Timby is simply OP, not game breakingly so) can't compensate for a trash pilot.

[Zerstorer Stallin]

Brody319, on 07 February 2015 - 07:06 PM, said:

Even if we didn't have pin point convergence instantly, the Thunderbolt would STILL be OP. Its 2 main PPCs are on the same level as the cockpit, and in the torso, so convergence wouldn't even bother them.

This is a perfect example of someone who doesnt get that its not the erppc, the thunderbolt or the quirks... GET A CLUE.
Its the stacking of the same weapon, with pin point alphas. There would be a problem if the Thunderbolt had.. ONE ERPPC like it should have instead of 3.

This is why we have ghost heat, double armor, useless single heat sinks, add ammo per ton and so on.

[Wildstreak]

Bush Hopper, on 10 February 2015 - 07:06 AM, said:

Well, the "meta" seems to have arrived now in PuGs, too "Me drivz da 9S pew pew"...so much fun...

To be fair, not every 9S in the Usual Queue is 2-3 ERPPC.
Seen one that was a LRM boat and got jumped.
Seen one with 3-4 LPL kept venturing into focused fire while his allies stayed under cover.

But when the 2-3 ERPPC version shows up....
First one is Conquest and his 7th kill was a close range duel with a Firestarter at Epsilon.
Second is a pair.

[nehebkau]

I see how this goes -- IS gets nice stuff and the clanners get jealous? How long until you cry about the 5ss Wubberbolt -- which is 3x more powerful than the 9s-ERPPCer?

[LordBraxton]

I say swap the AWS9m and the Thud9S quirks

SWAP them, directly...

The AWS is a ****** chassis with low mounted hardpoijnts

The thud is durable with shoulder mounted PPCs

I dont think the AWS would be broken with the 9S's quirks, and then the AWS would be the premier PPC queen

[Wildstreak]

nehebkau, on 11 February 2015 - 06:41 AM, said:

I see how this goes -- IS gets nice stuff and the clanners get jealous? How long until you cry about the 5ss Wubberbolt -- which is 3x more powerful than the 9s-ERPPCer?

I see how it really is. As it was in every 9S topic I saw, someone claims anyone having an issue is a Clanner.
Even worse with nehebkau's Sig, he does not even listen to it or he would see he is not reading posts either.

Quote

"I'm Convinced that no one really reads posts anymore; they just fabricate what they think the post says then ramble on about red herrings."
-- Bob

Edited by Wildstreak, 11 February 2015 - 06:53 AM.

[MechWarrior5152251]

If you use up all your tears now you wont be able to cry to mommy for your next toy....

[MechWarrior5152251]

Wildstreak, on 11 February 2015 - 06:20 AM, said:

To be fair, not every 9S in the Usual Queue is 2-3 ERPPC.
Seen one that was a LRM boat and got jumped.
Seen one with 3-4 LPL kept venturing into focused fire while his allies stayed under cover.

But when the 2-3 ERPPC version shows up....
First one is Conquest and his 7th kill was a close range duel with a Firestarter at Epsilon.
Second is a pair.

WOW someone finally showed a screen shot of a TDR 818 damage win! Impressive, but I can show dozens of screens of direwolves, firestarters, etc. scoring 1200+ damage, though not as many with 7+ kills...

[Lily from animove]

Zerstorer Stallin, on 09 February 2015 - 07:28 PM, said:

What amazes me in these threads of qq is how far off both sides are about the real issues. Thunderbolts arent broken, the erppc is not broken, the quirks are not broken....

STACKING THE SAME WEAPON,
FRONT LOADING DAMAGE PIN POINT ACCURACY...
I WIN

its the meta of MWO ... its bad... and I dont think PGI will fix it. Thats why next mech on the qq train will be the firestarter. Then there will be another after that and that and that just like there already has been the small laser hunchie, the splat cat, the dual gauss cat, the 6 erppc stalker, the dual ac 20 jager.... and the list goes on till the end of MWO. Until people stop cryng about the stuff that isnt the issue and ask why there is one of these ******** threads every month then the end is nigh.

The firestarter? I don't care if hitreg would work. actually light mechs only weapons are small or medium lasters in most cases thats fine. But when a light mech absorbs more shots goven to him than 2 assaults, then something is wrong. Especially when this ability is restricted to only a selection of lights.

MechWarrior5152251, on 11 February 2015 - 07:10 AM, said:

WOW someone finally showed a screen shot of a TDR 818 damage win! Impressive, but I can show dozens of screens of direwolves, firestarters, etc. scoring 1200+ damage, though not as many with 7+ kills...

I have those screen sin a Nova as well, but what? the issue with OP-ness is how likely in the hands of a skilled pilot do you make these results. play a scr or tbr and basically going dead with less than 500dmg is a shame. and 600+ is normal, and 800+ rather often. then you have chassis where even getting 400 is nearly a pain. and maybe 1 of 50 games is 800+. reliability and how easy and unaffected by skill a mech can achieve specific results is to be judged and its truly a differenc eif 1/50 matches are like this or 3/10.

Edited by Lily from animove, 11 February 2015 - 07:15 AM.

[Mcgral18]

nehebkau, on 11 February 2015 - 06:41 AM, said:

I see how this goes -- IS gets nice stuff and the clanners get jealous? How long until you cry about the 5ss Wubberbolt -- which is 3x more powerful than the 9s-ERPPCer?

It's already been nerfed; it went from 25% less heat to 15% hess heat.

The 9S went from 25 to 50%. 15% is reasonable; 30% is reasonable; 50% is outrageous.

Edited by Mcgral18, 11 February 2015 - 07:57 AM.

[BARBAR0SSA]

Asrrin, on 10 February 2015 - 09:30 AM, said:

So what you are telling me is that if you purposefully gimp yourself by denying your mech's biggest advantage (range) and get into the optimal range of a build specifically built to kill things inside of 300m? It doesn't matter what build you have, you are the idiot who doesn't have the piloting skills to play optimally. No amount of over powered mech is going to save yourself from poor tactical awareness.

But if you want to see a Timby that beats a 5SS in a straight up brawler fight, x4 SRM6 and x4ERML will tear it a new one in short order.

And again, against a team of 12 SPL FS, you'd be an idiot not to take SSRM6's. Those firestarters would be torn to pieces in short order.

What you seem to fail to understand is that because you personally can't use a Timby to kill better pilots than you that it must not be as good as everyone says it is. The sad truth is that even game breakingly overpowered mechs (of which the Timby is simply OP, not game breakingly so) can't compensate for a trash pilot.

Timber advantage is range, but I'm bringing SSRMS to a fight? You can't just sit there and list an optimal build for EVERY situation you deem fit.

4MLL 4xSRMS vs 9s you're done for and it's a waste of a build in CW, also 5ss would tear it a new one, 2-3 CT alphas=dead timber, 5ss can get off 2 alphas before timbers erMLs are ready to fire again.

4xSSRM build, again a waste and a stupid build to bring in CW, they don't drop in lights, you pick this build. You're done for vs any non light build.

2LL, 4ML typical laser vomit build, is slightly out ranged by the 9s, does 10 less dmg, but you can get some scan damage. Will be chewed up in a light rush.

Look at that I can make up scenario's that don't work well.

In summary the Timbergod you refer to is not a god, it's the king of multi builds but the all mighty laser vomit build that is what people reference when they call it OP, isn't the be all end all build, 2 firestarters would chew it up.

Actually pretty sure even if it had SSRMs 2 fires would chew up that CT like no tomorrow, they only need 3 alphas. I unloaded 48 SSRMs in to the rear of a 5ss and it didn't even make the core red.


Keep dishing out the insults though, very classy. I love having my pilot skill questioned when I constantly get compliments on my CW performance, guess all the MC I made in challenges was a complete fluke. I'll go to my corner now.

MechWarrior5152251, on 11 February 2015 - 07:10 AM, said:

WOW someone finally showed a screen shot of a TDR 818 damage win! Impressive, but I can show dozens of screens of direwolves, firestarters, etc. scoring 1200+ damage, though not as many with 7+ kills...

What if he ended the match with 7 kills, and 98% armor? that's a lethal machine. On those 1200 Dmg matches, did your mech end the fight in mint condition or were you forced to rush in brawl and become severely crippled?

12 v 12 does not translate in to CW balance very well and should stop being used as an example 95% of CW is a 12 man rush, not a few people here and a few people there with lights flanking, people forced to spread out(Conquest) etc. Along with fights ending when people could still keep on fighting another wave. Along with tonnage limits, Are 2 Timbers, a SCR and a myst lynx better than a firestarter, 2x 9s, & 5ss? Lynx is a write off, and if you're fighting at range it may be quite the epic fight.

Edited by shad0w4life, 11 February 2015 - 08:36 AM.

[Summon3r]

Major Tryhard, on 07 February 2015 - 05:17 AM, said:

I will save you some time by condensing all the replies you are going to get in this one post.

- lolwut, l2p

- zerg rush them with brawlers and hope they run out of coolshots before your team runs out of mechs.

- me and my leet unit roll lightningbolts all the time, I have no idea what you are talking about, probably bad player.

- yeah, but what about clans, they also have OP mechs, so there.

- some more l2p

this made me LMFAO only cuz its so true......

and to OP i couldnt agree more, as a clan wolf player i havent seen many IS engagements in the last month but we ahev started dropping to defend CSJ and CJF planets to try and get some and the laughability factor of a TDR is off the charts.... as you say in the normal pug que they are tolerable in the CW que the ppc's machine guns are beyond ridiculous....

now we all know PGI could care a less about canon lore and all that stuff but you really do have to rofl at a mech that was built in the 2400's yea thats right 2491 lol and can quite literally spam ERPPC's like they are are small lazors.. i mean whats an omni-mech? some junk box that can barely fire 2-3 salvos of 2 erppcs? oh and the mpl's on the TDR just lol

anyhow good for the units that are taking advantage of this right now and bad on PGI for creating even more "stuff" that makes an already barely tolerable CW game less fun..... btw long live the firestarter/jenner/spider zerg-gheynation ... lol?

btw anyone see the panther quirks yet? ROFL.....

Edited by Summon3r, 11 February 2015 - 08:26 AM.