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[Grynos]

Blackhand,

You do realize that the Merc Units are the only real ones with the power correct? From the inception of CW , Merc Units for the majority have decided which factions/clans do well and which ones suffer. It is not a myth, it is fact. Look at the names on the planets, over 60% of them are Merc Units. Merc Units are the deciding factor.
PGI not implementing a seperate faction for Mercs also contributed much of this as well. PGI made being a Merc Unit more valuable then being a loyalist, and although they might plan of some things in the future to change this, until that happens then being a loyalist while noble it is a hindrance to newer players.

Yes the clans have an advantage in some areas, but in others they do not. The problem I have seen when fighting the clans, is that people want to try to fight them head on.... Sorry but that is pretty much asking to get your butt kicked. Each map and each type of game wether invasion or the new skirmish type has certain intricacies to it. Yes the top units can pretty much use attrition for most other opponents against them. But what most people fail to realize, is that unless your whole 12 are very skilled , on comms, and are able to listen to and accept instructions, then attrition is going to get you killed against clans. There are tactics that some units absolutely hate , and some they always love to do. To the point where if a person pays enough attention, they can predict what the enemy is doing because of the unit tags on the other side.

[Cael Voltek]

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Blackhand is not "in charge" of anything here, what he *is* doing is stepping up and taking point on this issue...

Patently false. He said that he spoke on behalf of "all important Liao house units". I know some Liao loyalists that might take offense to that.

Also, to say that the problem with CW is the merc units shows his disconnection to what is happening. While GK was "taking a break" from the fight, merc units came to the aid of Liao to shore up their lines and keep them in the fight. Without us, there would be a lot less Liao space to call home. Kinda like I'm calling St. Ives home for the moment, but I digress.

We will continue to honor our contract and fight alongside Maxwell Albritten.

[Zvolimir the Blackhand]

dankith, on 08 February 2015 - 02:44 PM, said:

So you don't want the help of merc units in this organized fight? seems a little funny to me.

If they would work with us, yes. The problem is, even though they are mercs they want to be their own faction and are just wearing colors to pick fights. Show me where this is not true, and I'll show you a unit with a permanent House contract.

Gorgo7, on 08 February 2015 - 02:48 PM, said:

Well, he needs to hash it out with the other Leaders of the units in Capella. Until then...DEATH TO DAVION

Most of the Loyalists are on board.

There are no such thing as bird-men.

Anyone we have not contacted can reach me in the usual manner. I would be happy to talk, in person, to anyone who wishes to have their ideas heard.

Grynos, on 08 February 2015 - 03:07 PM, said:

Blackhand, You do realize that the Merc Units are the only real ones with the power correct? From the inception of CW , Merc Units for the majority have decided which factions/clans do well and which ones suffer. It is not a myth, it is fact. Look at the names on the planets, over 60% of them are Merc Units. Merc Units are the deciding factor.

We have engineered a method to utilize the merc units. Just because I don't like them doesn't mean they cannot participate, should they choose to. However, more tolerant men than I will be overseeing that bit.

Basically, they should go where they are told like the rest of us if they want this to work. As it is, everyone is just doing their own thing and it's impeding our progress.

Unless you're talking progress toward being assimilated by the Clans. That's on track.

Grynos, on 08 February 2015 - 03:07 PM, said:

PGI not implementing a seperate faction for Mercs also contributed much of this as well. PGI made being a Merc Unit more valuable then being a loyalist, and although they might plan of some things in the future to change this, until that happens then being a loyalist while noble it is a hindrance to newer players. Yes the clans have an advantage in some areas, but in others they do not. The problem I have seen when fighting the clans, is that people want to try to fight them head on.... Sorry but that is pretty much asking to get your butt kicked.

We try to never fight anyone 'head-on'.

Apply directly to the forehead.

Grynos, on 08 February 2015 - 03:07 PM, said:

Each map and each type of game wether invasion or the new skirmish type has certain intricacies to it. Yes the top units can pretty much use attrition for most other opponents against them. But what most people fail to realize, is that unless your whole 12 are very skilled , on comms, and are able to listen to and accept instructions, then attrition is going to get you killed against clans. There are tactics that some units absolutely hate , and some they always love to do. To the point where if a person pays enough attention, they can predict what the enemy is doing because of the unit tags on the other side.

Exactly so.

[_____]

I'll also point out the SoR (Daemon's unit), despite being a loyalist FRR unit, flew the Liao flag and helped tag some planets against Davions last month, when we were losing planets on a daily basis.

Was it a calculated move? I wouldn't doubt it. But if you're a Liao unit with any ounce of honor, I suggest taking that into consideration and help the FRR for at least a week when you have the time to do so.

[Zvolimir the Blackhand]

Cael Voltek, on 08 February 2015 - 03:17 PM, said:

Patently false. He said that he spoke on behalf of "all important Liao house units". I know some Liao loyalists that might take offense to that. Also, to say that the problem with CW is the merc units shows his disconnection to what is happening. While GK was "taking a break" from the fight, merc units came to the aid of Liao to shore up their lines and keep them in the fight. Without us, there would be a lot less Liao space to call home. Kinda like I'm calling St. Ives home for the moment, but I digress. We will continue to honor our contract and fight alongside Maxwell Albritten.

I also expressly said which units were behind this when I stated that.

We "took a break" to begin our n00b training. Our system is in place now. We didn't b**ch out of anything, so can that drek.

EDIT: I should add I don't count you "temporary" Liao units as Liao units. Just because you wore the flag for a week doesn't make you Loyalists. The line of thinking that a 1-week contract (at best one per every month) somehow makes you important or loyal is PATENTLY FALSE.

Also, you should respond to invitations to make sure your views are accurately represented. I'm not lord of anything, I'm just the representative. As all decisions we made last night are formative, nothing is set in stone and I will make sure to carry the will of my true Liaoist brothers and sisters to the Council.

What's more, I will see it done.

Don't take my word for this. Please, reach out and let's get a formal meeting together. Then we can make sure all concerns were addressed.

Do note that I did make sure that the *reclamation* of our capitol worlds (at the very least) has a framework for accomplishment. What this means exactly remains to be seen, and in some ways rests on our ability to work together.

Edited by Zvolimir the Blackhand, 08 February 2015 - 03:33 PM.

[Vas79]

Funny, wasn't it a merc team that took St Ives back for Liao? I know it's a merc team that's currently holding Liao. APOC has spent 5 weeks of CW time defending and attacking for Liao, abiding by Liao's cease fires and fighting Liao's enemies. This hostility towards merc groups in general isn't understandable.

[Zvolimir the Blackhand]

Vas79, on 08 February 2015 - 03:33 PM, said:

Funny, wasn't it a merc team that took St Ives back for Liao? I know it's a merc team that's currently holding Liao. APOC has spent 5 weeks of CW time defending and attacking for Liao, abiding by Liao's cease fires and fighting Liao's enemies. This hostility towards merc groups in general isn't understandable.

You make it sound like it was done alone and in a vacuum.

HLGK was there for St. Ives, but alas time constraints kept us from keeping a round-the-clock presence. We usually do that only on the weekend, but as we acquire more warriors we are covering more and more weekdays. Usually the early evening.

Liao is currently in Davion territory.

Edited by Zvolimir the Blackhand, 08 February 2015 - 03:39 PM.

[Oddmund]

Zvolimir the Blackhand, on 08 February 2015 - 03:27 PM, said:

If they would work with us, yes. The problem is, even though they are mercs they want to be their own faction and are just wearing colors to pick fights. Show me where this is not true, and I'll show you a unit with a permanent House contract.



Most of the Loyalists are on board.

There are no such thing as bird-men.

Anyone we have not contacted can reach me in the usual manner. I would be happy to talk, in person, to anyone who wishes to have their ideas heard.

check your messages please blackhand you will see me

Edited by dankith, 08 February 2015 - 03:46 PM.

[Malphaeus]

I find it funny that there are those that are claiming there is hate for merc units. It's been said already that they have a place. It needs to be stated that this is about permanent factions teaming up to defeat the clans. I have seen no disrespect to what the mercs have done or haven't done.

I'm positive that merc units will be a valuable asset in future battles.

[Zvolimir the Blackhand]

Will do.

Edited by Zvolimir the Blackhand, 08 February 2015 - 03:46 PM.

[Oddmund]

Malphaeus, on 08 February 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:

I find it funny that there are those that are claiming there is hate for merc units. It's been said already that they have a place. It needs to be stated that this is about permanent factions teaming up to defeat the clans. I have seen no disrespect to what the mercs have done or haven't done.

I'm positive that merc units will be a valuable asset in future battles.

by wanting us out of the new star league is disrespect enough for me.

[Malphaeus]

Mercenary units work for others. That's kind of the idea I believe. It isn't meant as disrespect.

[Ajcho Delacroix]

I think that playing a metagame when there is no metagame is somewhat weird.

There is no metagame, because there are no consequences for losing territory except for losing attack lanes, and therefore fewer opportunities to play. However Liao has already the lowest amount of attack lanes of all houses/clans. (except for clan wolf maybe) There is no punishment for losing your industrial/agricultural planets except your confidence/pride whatsoever.

The only thing this political metagame achieves is creating fun for its players. However though most Liao players I know and see regularly in drops had nothing to do with this agreement. So in a way the political metagame tries to take away the fun from the general player, only that political ambitious units can have fun playing their metagame, because it's a game right?

Why not try to incorporate the interests of ALL house liao units into your metagame? We want to play MWO and CW and you don't. Please always have at least on active front.

I can only guess that the Star League is mostly american timezone based, because it feels disconnected from the gameplay in the european timezone. There are more than enough defenders on all clan border planets, it takes forever (my top was 3 hours) to get into one game.

Now waiting forever for one CW-drop is NOT fun.

So I can decide, do I listen to orders from guys I never even met in a single drop, or do I have fun fighting davions.

You can dismiss the units breaking your agreement as mercenaries, not real liao units and threaten us with "consequences". But here is one thing you cannot do: You can't take the game away from us.

cheers, Ajcho

[ArchangelKenko]

the difference comes in where you are playing MechWarrior, which is fine. we are playing at a Battletech game. thus there is a meta game although it may be invented at Times

Edited by ArchangelKenko, 08 February 2015 - 05:16 PM.

[Malphaeus]

No one is even trying to take anything away from anyone. The way things are happening at the moment is the clans are winning. They are on their way to Terra. So why not join the "meta" game and try and stop them now. Truly that's much better than waiting until there are fewer opportunities.

[ShinVector]

Faith McCarron, on 08 February 2015 - 10:26 AM, said:

Yeah, I mean, the only example of WoL griefing I can think of is dragon bowling with Paul, and that was just epic. I think a lot of the "goon" reputation is overblown and/or carried over from other games. I've never seen a problem in-game with any WoL members.

Hmmm..... The height of the issue was early open beta. A lot of feuding and gaming politics back then..
My fondest memory of them, was the invention of post rolfstomp "GG GLOSE". (Was not a good experience for the 'new players' back then.)

Anyway... Water under the bridge, believe the only the well behaved WoL guys are left now.
Ever since CW started we fight Liao's enemies under one banner.

Grynos, on 08 February 2015 - 10:21 AM, said:

Yes I'll agree WoL did take a hiatus , due to the fact of a boring game mode.. But there were still some of us who continued to play in CW. If you look at the map, there are still WoL tags on planets. As far as the griefing goes, I am relatively new , but I have yet to see griefing since being here in any form.

Very good to here. However, never understood that change of faction thing that a number of you guys did in the end.

Roadbeer, on 08 February 2015 - 10:27 AM, said:

IIRC,
It was the Goonswarm that negotiated the CF between Marik and Liao.

Just putting that out there for any of Liao that wants to take a moment before they do some Forumwarrioring against the Goons.

Let's just call them WoL and the NAP with the Marikans was much appreciated.

Edited by ShinVector, 08 February 2015 - 06:26 PM.

[ShinVector]

Vas79, on 08 February 2015 - 03:33 PM, said:

Funny, wasn't it a merc team that took St Ives back for Liao? I know it's a merc team that's currently holding Liao. APOC has spent 5 weeks of CW time defending and attacking for Liao, abiding by Liao's cease fires and fighting Liao's enemies. This hostility towards merc groups in general isn't understandable.

And is much appreciated by those are continued the fight on CW showing the Liao banner.
I hear too much RP has cause major problems in other factions even clan ones too.

[FritoPendejo]

It is utterly hilarious that a unit that doesn't have their name on a SINGLE planet is trying to present themselves as the "point men" for a unified front against the clans.

If you all want to hitch your wagon to a unit that can't even defend their own planets, or do enough work to reclaim one of them that they lost, then best of luck to you all.

[_____]

FritoPendejo, on 08 February 2015 - 07:14 PM, said:

It is utterly hilarious that a unit that doesn't have their name on a SINGLE planet is trying to present themselves as the "point men" for a unified front against the clans.

And your misinterpretation of what's written is utterly hilarious to me. As well as the fact you created an alt just to troll this thread lol.

[Cael Voltek]

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I find it funny that there are those that are claiming there is hate for merc units.

Not sure how else to read it. We should be dismissed. We are turncoats. We should only do your bidding. We are what's wrong with CW. No, the word "hate" does not appear in those phrases, but it's isn't hard to understand the meaning.

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I should add I don't count you "temporary" Liao units as Liao units. Just because you wore the flag for a week doesn't make you Loyalists. The line of thinking that a 1-week contract (at best one per every month) somehow makes you important or loyal is PATENTLY FALSE.

You continue to try and put words in everyone's mouth, and then lay out your own short comings as a "Liao Unit". Never once have we claimed to be loyalists. Never once have we proclaimed to be fighting for a cause other than "we have been asked to do so". And we have done one hellava job, despite your best efforts to downplay our role. We have fulfilled our part, despite getting zero recognition for doing so. What will you do to fulfill yours?