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[bobF]

I appreciate everyone's input.

Much <3 to NKVA and i'm honored by the visit of the Space Pope. Thank you, your Eminence.

See you all on the battlefield

[Sam Slade]

JadeTimberwolf, on 10 February 2015 - 04:22 PM, said:

Harathan, I believe the issue is a little more complicated than the black and white stance that I interpret from yours and some of the other posters posts on this topic. You are right that blame can no be placed on the offended,

fixed

There is a reason they say 'intent follows the bullet'; if a nasty comment is made that doesn't intend to cause great offense, but still does, then the person that spoke should have kept their mouth shut. The 'free speech' bleed-over effect is tiresome; trolling is not a right. In fact, if you are able to cause enough offense to put someone in fear (fear of using the internet which is a fact of day to day life, then you're actually committing a crime).

Trying to blame a victim(the offended person) is spineless; offense is not measured by your own moral compass on what constitutes a thick skin, your own heroic imperturbability is not the prerequisite for social interaction you believe it to be. The arrogance of that assertion is both amusing and depressing.

[dervishx5]

Sam Slade, on 11 February 2015 - 12:33 AM, said:

The 'free speech' bleed-over effect is tiresome; trolling is not a right. In fact, if you are able to cause enough offense to put someone in fear (fear of using the internet which is a fact of day to day life, then you're actually committing a crime).

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

-This Guy below



Yeah, that's right, Zeus said that. And I think Zeus knows a little about forum trolling. QFT QED GG.

Edited by dervishx5, 11 February 2015 - 01:02 AM.

[JadeTimberwolf]

Sam where did I say that the victim should be blamed? hint no where, I merely said that people today are more thin skinned than they used to be. Yes Free-speech bleed over and you know what if you don't like it go hide in a cave till the internet no longer exists or everyone is prisoners in their own homes because of people who want everyone to bend to their wills and not be aloud to speak their minds.

Offended by my thoughts on this? so fing what.

[Chef Kerensky]

Harathan, on 10 February 2015 - 08:32 PM, said:

toxic community

Warning! Contents of community are highly toxic! May cause light burns and mild discomfort.

[bobF]

I like anime

[Ax2Grind]

Roadbeer, on 10 February 2015 - 11:09 PM, said:

You purposefully missed the point to be defensive...

No defensiveness Roadbeer, just being earnest, and your point was obvious. I didn't like the quote from Crasher either, and your right, it was uberlame in it's intent (and was already going to be addressed directly)...but aren't you just doing the same thing Crasher did? Is it really necessary to continue the witch-hunt rhetoric in a thread where the OP has taken personal responsibility and apologized? I appreciate that you seem upset, and would rather it not be so as I find you to be one of the saner and more rational folks in these forums, but most of ~MS~ are players who do not deserve the scorn your dishing out.

Every group has folks who troll, as this and the Star League thread show all too well. ~MS~ is still a young group, and it needs some work no doubt, but it's starting to get organized with some much needed structure and code of conduct. The mob outside our gates with the torches and the pitchforks though are a bit hypocritical.

With nothing but respect for you (or at least your forum persona ),

~Ax

Earnest section complete. You may now carry on with calling everyone in MS wanna be's, from other groups with poor reputations, for reasons. God knows we all deserve it. What a bunch of wankers. I bet they ghost drop and zerg everything. Death to MS! (I hate those guys)

[Joseph Mallan]

Gas Guzzler, on 10 February 2015 - 12:16 PM, said:

Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!











Did that do it?

No it didn't.

[Noesis]

Nice one bobf.

Proud of you for standing up for good principles here and recognising that those changes usually start with the self.

The fact that you saw for yourself that you were walking the line a little at least should provide confidence to others since you have interpreted and recognised a line does exist.

Smacktalk and RP fun would seem a perfect place for you to continue for you to demonstrate your own unique brand of humour, but when it comes to insulting or belittling personal matters relating to players themselves we need to remove those toxic elements from the community.

I hope your example will help to inspire others to consider this more healthy relationship with the MWO community. *thumbs up*

(P.S: If ever you need the opportunity to vent feel free to call the Dark Born Dezgra on their recruitment thread. Or PM me if you need to vent more serious topic related materials. There may be a notional fee for the tea and biscuits however).

Edited by Noesis, 11 February 2015 - 03:52 AM.

[Roadbeer]

Ax2Grind, on 11 February 2015 - 02:25 AM, said:

No defensiveness Roadbeer, just being earnest, and your point was obvious. I didn't like the quote from Crasher either, and your right, it was uberlame in it's intent (and was already going to be addressed directly)...but aren't you just doing the same thing Crasher did? Is it really necessary to continue the witch-hunt rhetoric in a thread where the OP has taken personal responsibility and apologized? I appreciate that you seem upset, and would rather it not be so as I find you to be one of the saner and more rational folks in these forums, but most of ~MS~ are players who do not deserve the scorn your dishing out.

Every group has folks who troll, as this and the Star League thread show all too well. ~MS~ is still a young group, and it needs some work no doubt, but it's starting to get organized with some much needed structure and code of conduct. The mob outside our gates with the torches and the pitchforks though are a bit hypocritical.

With nothing but respect for you (or at least your forum persona ),

~Ax

Earnest section complete. You may now carry on with calling everyone in MS wanna be's, from other groups with poor reputations, for reasons. God knows we all deserve it. What a bunch of wankers. I bet they ghost drop and zerg everything. Death to MS! (I hate those guys)

I'm not going to be able to respond as I would like from my phone, but here we go...

Obviously "not all...", its actually something that has been coming up a lot in society lately. Not all cops. Not all feminists. Not all etc. I'm sorry Ax, but I'd hoped you wouldn't have had used such a lazy argumentative tool. Yes, you and I and everyone else knows not "Not all MS are douchebags". Sigh.

But here is the thing. There are two levels at play here. On one level, you have the people in MS who make decisions of what they're going to do, then on the next level you have the shitposters on the forums backing their play, and both are telling everyone else who is not MS that they're having fun wrong, and we're here to make you feel bad about it. That's very Lordesque.

On the otherside, you have those who make the decisions going around doing whatever they want and exploiting a broken mechanic to prove a point. That is very WoL. The difference is, when WoL does it, it's because they're trying to get the broken mechanic fixed (something a lot of people don't realize) in MS's case, they have made no such statement to that effect, they're just doing it for muh tags and muh mechbays.

You see what I'm getting at here?

Axe, you I like. In fact I can't think of a person in TFF that I dont. Bob I find funny, he just has a habit of becoming tiresome, no fault in that. Bizzle I get along with, and until the other night when Marik made a specific request of MS and Antonious Rex told us, "**** you we're doing what we want and you can't stop us" I liked him too.

So no, not all MS...

Having said that. You are part of TFF, who is part of MS. You have given your proxy to those in charge of MS to move and speak on your behalf. MS (like every other group) has shitposters, and when not policed by those in charge, are also speaking on your behalf.

Everyone knows that Crasher is not Ax, but both are part of MS. So when you take the things said by Crasher and combine them with the actions of those in charge of your org, it's just easier to say MS because I don't have the full roster of MS to be able to list off each individual member and put a checkmark in the douchebag column Every time I'm going to write a post that involves MS.

So with much respect Ax, your right, not all MS, but.....

[HARDKOR]

Whats funny is, this forum is populated by about 100 people. About eight of them are MS. MS has 300 people. Referring to those posters as members of the forum is more accurate than referring to them as MS members, if we are going to blame a group for being toxic.

See, the forum itself is toxic and attracts those who like to argue.This is always true. There's 240 MS people who never post here and have nothing to do with this forum.

We're all part of the the group "forum posters" and that group is the more verbally active subculture within all the units. Judging a unit by the people that post on the forum is like judging America for reality TV. Sure, you can do it, but it IS disingenuous.

Of course, the opinions of forum posters on the actions of other forum posters has relevance inside the forum, but the truth is, 95% of the people playing aren't reading this crap, aren't affected by this crap, and think we're a bunch of neckbeard wanks who need to get a life. Actually, they don't think of it at all, because posting on a forum is not part of their game.

In short, each and every one of us is a troll for being here. It's all about how you go about working your bridge.

[Joseph Mallan]

Am I or anyone else supposed to be upset by what someone thinks???

[HARDKOR]

I dunno. I can't find the stats page for ForumwarrionOnline(aka Mechnarcissist).

Edited by HARDKOR, 11 February 2015 - 07:31 AM.

[Mr D One]

Mycrus, on 10 February 2015 - 06:36 AM, said:

not all trolls are bad trolls... case in point... me

Mycrus, you are pure scum troll bag.


And I love you.


Achievement unlocked : for whom the bell trolls...

[Mordin Ashe]

Every troll deserves a second chance. When I grow up I want to be accepted back into human race as well.
+1 Bob.

Edited by Mordin Ashe, 11 February 2015 - 07:59 AM.

[Kodyn]

I love how this entire thread was just the OP looking for yet more attention, and everyone fed the troll, including now, me....

I read some BobF posts once, then I realized the quality and started just glazing over them. If he wants to apologize, it should be for failing to even be a very interesting troll.

A narcissist who was unhappy with the level/quality of attention he was receiving, posted an apology, got 4 more pages of attention.

Forums, feeding trolls since the interweb's inception....

/end pointing out the obvious.

[Noesis]

Joseph Mallan, on 11 February 2015 - 07:17 AM, said:

Am I or anyone else supposed to be upset by what someone thinks???

Nope, but I prefer a rational and beneficial conversation that considers viewpoints as opposed to mindless insults.

[Joseph Mallan]

Noesis, on 11 February 2015 - 07:59 AM, said:

Nope, but I prefer a rational and beneficial conversation that considers viewpoints as opposed to mindless insults.

When I'm sitting around here on the forum... Sure. In teh game, I expect smack talk to rival any Jarhead or athlete! Anything less an your not trying

[BadgerWI]

JadeTimberwolf, on 11 February 2015 - 01:07 AM, said:

Sam where did I say that the victim should be blamed? hint no where, I merely said that people today are more thin skinned than they used to be. Yes Free-speech bleed over and you know what if you don't like it go hide in a cave till the internet no longer exists or everyone is prisoners in their own homes because of people who want everyone to bend to their wills and not be aloud to speak their minds.

Offended by my thoughts on this? so fing what.

What this guy said. As some who was the victim of real life bullying for nearly 10 years (beaten on a nearly daily basis; made fun of by people bigger stronger and a hell of a lot meaner; had my arm broken; locked on a locker for 6 hours; and that's just the start of the list) I am offended by those that would crush other people's freedom of speech because some jerk in cyberspace said something mean.

Edited by BadgerWI, 11 February 2015 - 06:19 PM.

[dervishx5]

BadgerWI, on 11 February 2015 - 06:18 PM, said:

What this guy said. As some who was the victim of real life bullying for nearly 10 years (beaten on a nearly daily basis; made fun of by people bigger stronger and a hell of a lot meaner; had my arm broken; locked on a locker for 6 hours; and that's just the start of the list) I am offended by those that would crush other people's freedom of speech because some jerk in cyberspace said something mean.