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[Bishop Steiner]

MeiSooHaityu, on 11 February 2015 - 12:32 PM, said:

Yea, the funny thing is (unskilled) the 235 engine puts the Vindicator in the 80 kph range which is a bit too slow for how fragile the mech is at 45 tons.

Before I skilled it (speed tweak), I ran the 1R with a standard engine for survivability sake. I don't remember my load out though.

Now I run the 1R with a XL235 due to the speed tweak being unlocked (93kph). It makes me feel a bit more comfortable. Now I running full JJs, Endo, 2 PPCs with backup 3 SLasers. The PPCs in a 1R see a 40% Velocity increase so they are pretty effective.

Thing is, if the quirks were ERPPC instead, I'd move my 1AA to 2 ERPPCs w/ 1 MLaser and make my 1R the 2 LPLaser / 3 MLaser build.

The only reason my 1AA doesn't run the 2 PPC / 1 MLaser loadout now is because 1 MLaser isn't enough to deter the enemy from face hugging you, yet oddly 3 SLasers in a 1R does. Go figure

3 mEDIUM laSERS IS EVEN BETTER.
VND-1R

[Bishop Steiner]

Redwo1f, on 11 February 2015 - 04:22 PM, said:

Disagree. The value of it increases as the match rolls on. If you can survive the start and early middle, providing it isn't an enemy team steam roll, the LB10-x is pretty decent getting crits over an enemy already chewed up...it becomes clean up time....and if you are fast as well, can be very effective. That is usually how it goes with my 1X - if I can stay in reasonable shape come middle/end, it does pretty decent....the trick is IF cuz it has a pretty squishy torso - lol..

you and me both, I wreck in my CN9-D pretty regularly. Even had a nice face to face, toe to toe showdown with an Ilya because I was too pissed and stubborn to hit and run..... I walked away, Ilya did not.

[Mcgral18]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 February 2015 - 06:30 PM, said:

Yup. Originally all VNDs were going to have 1 more Missile rack, but Russ felt that would OP them.

I'm dead serious, too.

[FupDup]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 February 2015 - 06:30 PM, said:

Yup. Originally all VNDs were going to have 1 more Missile rack, but Russ felt that would OP them.

I'm dead serious, too.

I'd really like to know what other mech(s) he was using as the baseline to make that judgement. Probably not a Shadow Hawk or Griffin I'm presuming...

[Gas Guzzler]

Okay so it has PPC velocity quirks and ballistic quirks. Maybe try running PPC/Gauss?

Edit: Nvm.... too heavy.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 11 February 2015 - 06:48 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 11 February 2015 - 06:43 PM, said:

Okay so it has PPC velocity quirks and ballistic quirks. Maybe try running PPC/Gauss?

the mech weights 45 tons.
Do you run with no armor, or slower than an Assault mech?
VND-1X

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 11 February 2015 - 06:46 PM.

[FupDup]

Gas Guzzler, on 11 February 2015 - 06:43 PM, said:

Okay so it has PPC velocity quirks and ballistic quirks. Maybe try running PPC/Gauss?

VND-1X

I'm surprised that such a build is even possible (although not necessarily good) in the first place on the mech, although it does require using SHS *shudders*.

Bishop Steiner, on 11 February 2015 - 06:44 PM, said:

the mech weights 45 tons.
Do you run with no armor, or slower than an Assault mech?
VND-1X

Get on my level

Edited by FupDup, 11 February 2015 - 06:48 PM.

[Deathlike]

FupDup, on 11 February 2015 - 06:40 PM, said:

I'd really like to know what other mech(s) he was using as the baseline to make that judgement. Probably not a Shadow Hawk or Griffin I'm presuming...

Considering that the Vindicator is considered worst Medium mech since the Trebuchet... that's technically an honorable mention (and this is post-quirks too).

I mean... does ANYONE consult someone that has clue? (I don't mean NGNG.)

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 February 2015 - 06:44 PM, said:

the mech weights 45 tons.
Do you run with no armor, or slower than an Assault mech?
VND-1X

FupDup, on 11 February 2015 - 06:47 PM, said:

VND-1X

I'm surprised that such a build is even possible (although not necessarily good) in the first place on the mech, although it does require using SHS *shudders*.



Get on my level

Alright alright check my edit right before ya'll posted.

Gawsh

Edit: Apparently it was after you posted Bishop but I hadn't seen it yet.

But you are talking to a guy that ran a Triple ER PPC/Gauss TDR-9S against a good team in CW...

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 11 February 2015 - 06:52 PM.

[Axeface]

Bishop Steiner, on 11 February 2015 - 06:30 PM, said:

Yup. Originally all VNDs were going to have 1 more Missile rack, but Russ felt that would OP them.

I'm dead serious, too.

Maybe he's just as enlightened about balance as he is about art. Apparently the enforcer's head for him is "very close to the concept art. I would suggest as close as any games are".

*grumbles*

Edited by Axeface, 11 February 2015 - 06:53 PM.

[FupDup]

Axeface, on 11 February 2015 - 06:53 PM, said:

Maybe he's just as enlightened about balance as he is about art. Apparently the enforcer's head for him is "very close to the concept art. I would suggest as close as any games are".

*grumbles*

Well, at least his isn't Paul, for what that's worth...

Edited by FupDup, 11 February 2015 - 06:54 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

VND-1X

Meh?

[Deathlike]

Gas Guzzler, on 11 February 2015 - 06:56 PM, said:

VND-1X

Meh?

Why are we trying to compare bad builds from a poorly designed mech?

It's almost as if we're trying to have a Frankenmech contest.

This makes Mechjesus cry.

[Gas Guzzler]

Deathlike, on 11 February 2015 - 06:59 PM, said:

Why are we trying to compare bad builds from a poorly designed mech?

It's almost as if we're trying to have a Frankenmech contest.

This makes Mechjesus cry.

Lol that is true. At the end of the day don't run it. But it is interesting to theorize.



You could also run 3 AC2s and utilize the 15% cooldown bonus for ballistics to get some more DPS, and now that AC2 heat scale is starting to go, they can put in cooldown modules for it as well.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 11 February 2015 - 07:02 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

FupDup, on 11 February 2015 - 06:47 PM, said:

VND-1X

I'm surprised that such a build is even possible (although not necessarily good) in the first place on the mech, although it does require using SHS *shudders*.



Get on my level

think I like 44% cooling better...and a PPC I can fight at PBR

[FupDup]

Gas Guzzler, on 11 February 2015 - 07:02 PM, said:

Lol that is true. At the end of the day don't run it. But it is interesting to theorize.



You could also run 3 AC2s and utilize the 15% cooldown bonus for ballistics to get some more DPS, and now that AC2 heat scale is starting to go, they can put in cooldown modules for it as well.

Bad Build Is Bad

This is why I hate the small engine caps on 45 tonners, because you have enough critslots to equip FF but then you can't use that spare tonnage to increase your engine size. And you're out of slots to use on more equipment. :\


All 45 tonners should have their engine cap no lower than 250.

Edited by FupDup, 11 February 2015 - 07:07 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 11 February 2015 - 06:56 PM, said:

VND-1X

Meh?

facetime for ac2s is suicide for VNDs

[Gas Guzzler]

FupDup, on 11 February 2015 - 07:06 PM, said:

Bad Build Is Bad

This is why I hate the small engine caps on 45 tonners, because you have enough critslots to equip FF but then you can't use that spare tonnage to increase your engine size. And you're out of slots to use on more equipment. :\


All 45 tonners should have their engine cap no lower than 250.

Yeah it really kills it honestly.

[FupDup]

Gas Guzzler, on 11 February 2015 - 07:09 PM, said:

Yeah it really kills it honestly.

Bad Build MK II

So I found a use for that FF...but I had to slow it down to the speed of most heavies or less.

[Bishop Steiner]

best I can do......*sigh*

Yup. It's an enforcer

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 11 February 2015 - 07:14 PM.