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[MechWarrior3671771]

"nowhere in either of my posts did I support or tear apart K/DR preservation. If I didn't say it specifically either way, don't make an assumption. It's called don't read anything into the response that wasn't explicitly said."

You threw your support (and posted only for that reason) to a post that claimed this was all about preserving K/D ratios. Now you want to pretend you didn't mean to support it. Sure.

"I've already said that it's obvious you don't want to play the team environment in which it was intended but just push boundaries in order to satisfy your whims."

Ah I see, first you say we are violating the rules. When asked what rules are we violating, you switch to some hogwash about "playing the team environment" (gee, like maybe not committing Team Treason?) When you settle on an argument that justifies not letting me finish playing the game, let me know.


"The rules for Skirmish have been posted, but since you claim that you are not doing one exact thing that could be considered a violation, then everything you are doing is fine and not breaking any rule."

Did that bit of pretzel-logic hurt? It looked like it hurt - "you are not violating the rules by making a last stand, but its still wrong" is now you position? Again, let me know.

It really comes down to this - you signed on for 15 mins when you clicked the Ready button. If the last man standing wants to move things along by surrendering, cool. But that's a courtesy on his part, not something you should be demanding.

Edited by Fenrisulvyn, 19 February 2015 - 05:54 AM.

[Kjudoon]

Rushin Roulette, on 19 February 2015 - 05:49 AM, said:

Um I seem to remember there being more than one objective for just about every game mode (The only game mode with only one objective is Attacking in CW where you need to destroy the Omega cannon)... Do you mind informing us what the complete objectives for Skirmish are?

I didn't realize that if you can't win in skirmish, you must present yourself for execution.

Seemed to miss that in the victory conditions somewhere.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"lol. no. I have only said shuttingdown/hiding/not engaging is non participation"

Yah ya did. Do I have to go find the post for you? You said that its griefing you and wasting your time when the last man standing refuses to surrender.

[Stormyblade]

Fenrisulvyn, on 19 February 2015 - 05:50 AM, said:

"nowhere in either of my posts did I support or tear apart K/DR preservation. If I didn't say it specifically either way, don't make an assumption. It's called don't read anything into the response that wasn't explicitly said." You threw your support (and posted only for that reason) to post that claimed this was all about preserving K/D ratios. Now you want to pretend you didn't mean to support it. Sure. "I've already said that it's obvious you don't want to play the team environment in which it was intended but just push boundaries in order to satisfy your whims." Ah I see, first you say we are violating the rules. When asked what rules are we violating, you switch to some hogwash about "playing the team environment" (gee, like maybe not committing Team Treason?) When you settle on an argument that justifies not letting me finish playing the game, let me know. "The rules for Skirmish have been posted, but since you claim that you are not doing one exact thing that could be considered a violation, then everything you are doing is fine and not breaking any rule." Did that bit of pretzel-logic hurt? It looked like it hurt - "you are not violating the rules by making a last stand, but its still wrong" is now you position? Again, let me know. It really comes down to this - you signed on for 15 mins when you clicked the Ready button. If the last man standing wants to move things along by surrendering, cool. But that's a courtesy on his part, not something you should be demanding.

Just for the record, I don't quit my matches - I stay and offer up radar hits or advice or warnings as I sit in the "observer" seat. I also don't demand that whoever is left should just stand and be killed. The rest is just more babble that I won't respond to again.

[Rushin Roulette]

Kjudoon, on 19 February 2015 - 05:51 AM, said:

I didn't realize that if you can't win in skirmish, you must present yourself for execution.

Seemed to miss that in the victory conditions somewhere.

Yup, afraid so. Its written on the back of the loading screen. You have to turn your monitor around during the map loading sequence to be able to read it though.

Edited by Rushin Roulette, 19 February 2015 - 05:55 AM.

[Ghogiel]

Kjudoon, on 19 February 2015 - 05:51 AM, said:

I didn't realize that if you can't win in skirmish, you must present yourself for execution.

Seemed to miss that in the victory conditions somewhere.

There are degrees of doing stuff between leroying into the enemy and not actively engaging/ hiding, if you aren't shooting back/have no weapons./ refuse to engage or are hiding, you will get reported and support will sort it out.

[Kjudoon]

According to the non-participation police, I was reportable for this match. I went 4 minutes without engaging or firing a shot. Skip ahead to 10:00 if you want to see my heinous crime in action.

Edited by Kjudoon, 19 February 2015 - 05:56 AM.

[Ghogiel]

Fenrisulvyn, on 19 February 2015 - 05:52 AM, said:

"lol. no. I have only said shuttingdown/hiding/not engaging is non participation"

Yah ya did. Do I have to go find the post for you? You said that its griefing you and wasting your time when the last man standing refuses to surrender.

Get the feeling that "actively engage" means the same thing to you.

Kjudoon, on 19 February 2015 - 05:55 AM, said:

According to the non-participation police, I was reportable for this match. I went 4 minutes without engaging or firing a shot. Skip ahead to 10:00 if you want to see my heinous crime in action.

just looking at the still I can see 11 11 on the score. Drawing the game is valid and it is assault.

[MechWarrior3671771]

LOL Kjudoon. You should report yourself

Ghogiel: "There are degrees of doing stuff between leroying into the enemy and not actively engaging/ hiding, if you aren't shooting back/have no weapons./ refuse to engage or are hiding, you will get reported and support will sort it out."

How you do know what the pilot intends when the match hasn't finished yet? Are you telepathic?

[Kjudoon]

Ghogiel, on 19 February 2015 - 06:00 AM, said:

Get the feeling that "actively engage" means the same thing to you.


just looking at the still I can see 11 11 on the score. Drawing the game is valid and it is assault.

Not according to the Non-Participation Police. I was seriously considering letting the clock run out, and if there would have been 2, I would have hid and taken the loss. With three kills and over 500 damage and 8 assists, I participated.

Edited by Kjudoon, 19 February 2015 - 06:03 AM.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"just looking at the still I can see 11 11 on the score. Drawing the game is valid and it is assault."

So happy that we have your approval. Like we ever needed it to begin with.

But what if it was 10-11 ? You going to turn us in?

Or what about 9-11 ? Do we have your permission to continue playing the game?

[Ghogiel]

Kjudoon, on 19 February 2015 - 06:02 AM, said:

Not according to the Non-Participation Police. I was seriously considering letting the clock run out, and if there would have been 2, I would have hid and taken the loss.

Well they arn't the police. They just report to the police.
Well in that case I would have reported you as well for intentional hiding out running the clock out just to save your kdr and taking an inevitable loss.

[Kjudoon]

Ghogiel, on 19 February 2015 - 06:04 AM, said:

Well they arn't the police. They just report to the police.
Well in that case I would have reported you as well for intentional hiding out running the clock out just to save your kdr and taking an inevitable loss.

So they're "Non-Participation Swatters", then.

Doesn't help the argument a mote.

Edited by Kjudoon, 19 February 2015 - 06:05 AM.

[Ghogiel]

Fenrisulvyn, on 19 February 2015 - 06:04 AM, said:

"just looking at the still I can see 11 11 on the score. Drawing the game is valid and it is assault."

So happy that we have your approval. Like we ever needed it to begin with.

But what if it was 10-11 ? You going to turn us in?

Or what about 9-11 ? Do we have your permission to continue playing the game?

Dunno, in these hypothecticals are you hiding trying to run out the clock and not participating?

[MechWarrior3671771]

Why do you ask? You're going to report us before the match is over, so you'll have no idea if we were shutting down the entire match or simply shutting down to drop off radar so we can shoot that Crab in the back.

[Dawnstealer]

Kilo 40, on 12 February 2015 - 10:17 PM, said:

I wouldn't call that Non-Participation Abuse.

but I don't make the rules either.

This. As long as you're moving around or at least trying to win (or play, or tie - as you were), it's fine.

The only time I have a problem with someone shutting down is when it's a roflstomp and someone just finds a place to hide and shut down to protect their KDR.

[Ghogiel]

Fenrisulvyn, on 19 February 2015 - 06:10 AM, said:

Why do you ask? You're going to report us before the match is over, so you'll have no idea if we were shutting down the entire match or simply shutting down to drop off radar so we can shoot that Crab in the back.

The way your teeth are gnashing you probably are a griefer, so I'll take that as a yes.

[MechWarrior3671771]

Funny how the NPPs are back on the "hide & shutdown to preserve KD ratios" strawman again, in a thread that's about Team Treason while the last man is trying to fight to the end.

Why, its almost as if they are being dishonest.

[MechWarrior3671771]

Ghogiel: "The way your teeth are gnashing you probably are a griefer, so I'll take that as a yes."

I asked if you report before the match is over and how you can tell the pilot is refusing to engage before the match is over.

You're not going to deny it, are you? You report people before you really know what they are doing?

[mogs01gt]

To the OP.

Im in the minority but if we had an in-game report tool, I'd report you for non-participation. You are trolling your opponents since you are faster then they are and are exploited PGI's poor programming. Also, you are simply forcing the other team to take a tie and receive less Cbills. You lost, go die!

Now the issue isnt necessarily you, the issue is that the game should detect the disconnects and AFK's, time them out and give the other team a kill. This could help prevent people running around trolling other players.

Edited by mogs01gt, 19 February 2015 - 06:21 AM.