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[Lily from animove]

Mordin Ashe, on 13 February 2015 - 12:07 PM, said:

You don't need nerfs. Even now when those two Mechs are Clan meta, I rarely see them making more than 5 of 12 Mechs in game. People other things. Now make the other things more viable (Adders, Summoners, Novas, Mist Lynxes... you know which Mechs I mean) and there will be even less SCRs and TBRs.

because MM tries to make 3/3/3/3 and so when half or even all of those are tbr's and scr's it laready shows whats wrong lol.

And I guess nerfing them would be the better way than trying to bring every other mech on their level.

[Darth Hotz]

EvilCow, on 13 February 2015 - 12:01 PM, said:

Apparently the chosen direction is to tone down the best performers instead to bring up the others. The consequence should be that now TBR and SCR should be addressed.

Changing weapons would negatively affect also the other clan mechs so probably the best thing to do is to give negative quirks to specific mechs/pods instead and don't nerf the weapons even more.

For example the SCR-Prime arms could get a 10% more heat on lasers (per arm), the mech itself could get a 10% speed nerf, basically restricting it to its base speed after the speed tweak bonus.

Agility and torso twist should also be looked into, there is past experience in this, it is the way the Victor was "balanced" when it was still worth something. It suddenly disappeared so I imagine the same medicine could work for TBR and SCR. The killer machine K2 also saw similar torso movement limitations.

More ideas?

Thank you Evil Crow! This gives me back my faith in clan peoples ability to asses the games current balancing in a realistic and open minded way.

[Aiden Skye]

I wouldn't say my 2x cerppcs, 2ml, 2srm4 build that I usually run on my TBR is OP and needs a fix. Please no more weapon nerfs.

[Darth Hotz]

W A R K H A N, on 14 February 2015 - 06:14 AM, said:

I wouldn't say my 2x cerppcs, 2ml, 2srm4 build that I usually run on my TBR is OP and needs a fix. Please no more weapon nerfs.

You can keep your TBR, if the IS gets a heavy too that has an Alpha of 60, Jumpjets and runs at 89kph...

[Metus regem]

Darth Hotz, on 14 February 2015 - 06:28 AM, said:

You can keep your TBR, if the IS gets a heavy too that has an Alpha of 60, Jumpjets and runs at 89kph...

If the Orion could take a 375xl, or a CTF could mount a 350xl, you'd have all that and a bag of chips.

[Aiden Skye]

Darth Hotz, on 14 February 2015 - 06:28 AM, said:

You can keep your TBR, if the IS gets a heavy too that has an Alpha of 60, Jumpjets and runs at 89kph...

Hmm. I didn't realize all builds were considered equal.

[MikeBend]

Upping other clan mechs to Timber and Crow levels will inevitably bring more buffs to IS later, the powercreep will grow. Makes my Spider 5K sad. Maybe a compromise, tone down Timber and Crow somewhat, and then buff others to that level?

[Metus regem]

MikeBend, on 14 February 2015 - 06:57 AM, said:

Upping other clan mechs to Timber and Crow levels will inevitably bring more buffs to IS later, the powercreep will grow. Makes my Spider 5K sad. Maybe a compromise, tone down Timber and Crow somewhat, and then buff others to that level?

I have said in the past, that the Storm Crow needs an animation and hit box pass, that will more than likely fix it. As for the Timber wolf, she could use a hit box pass as well, and a slight adjustment to it's turning speed and twisting speed. Once mastered The Timber Wolf is a little too mobile, mobility should be the hallmark of the Summoner.

[Inferno86]

always have retar.ded asking nerfs, they earn it, rather than asking for an improvement in the mech which lies below, I do a lot more damage with hunkback 4J, deaths and better KD, and here asking for nerfs for the two mechs unique to clan grabs decent people just because others in its sucks most

if other clan mechs are rubbish the solution is to fu.ck tbr and scr to be sh.it like the others do not?

stop feeding the mor.ons who open this type of post

Edited by Inferno86, 14 February 2015 - 08:36 AM.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Rouken, on 13 February 2015 - 11:06 PM, said:

I'd look to someone like Gary Kasparov to see how balanced Chess is. I'd look to Joe with less than a 1300 Elo to determine how accessible the game is. I would not conclude that the four move check mate is OP because Joe falls for it every time.

Oh god lol.....that just ran the image of Chess being remade into a "modern" chess game like how MWO is a modern TT BT game.......the 4 move checkmate, we would have players on here QQing about how the Queen is OP, the bishops diagonal move is UP cuz it can only go on it's own colors, how the pawn is UP ciuz it can only go 1 space.....oh lol.....dear god...

[EvilCow]

LordKnightFandragon, on 14 February 2015 - 08:54 AM, said:

Oh god lol.....that just ran the image of Chess being remade into a "modern" chess game like how MWO is a modern TT BT game.......the 4 move checkmate, we would have players on here QQing about how the Queen is OP, the bishops diagonal move is UP cuz it can only go on it's own colors, how the pawn is UP ciuz it can only go 1 space.....oh lol.....dear god...

Well, it would be interesting to see a chess game with just queens and bishops.

[nehebkau]

DONTOR, on 13 February 2015 - 01:57 PM, said:

It used to be that when a mech was considered the best it did get nerfed (Victors, Catapault K2s). Then the forums would explode, renouncing that mech, and pgi, and everything else.

I personally am thankfull that they are done nerfing mechs, it creates problems down the road. Buffing a bunch of other things makes the game a lil bit new and exciting each time. Rather han pooping on your favorite mech with nerfs...

You clanners cried hard enough to get the Thunderbolt 9s nerfed...

The reason you see so many laser-vomit builds is that there is something, in game, that many of us IS people have noticed with clan laser-vomit....it is front-loading its damage (doing more in the first 1/4 second then the remaining time) quite often. That is where the most improtant nerfing is needed.

Edited by nehebkau, 14 February 2015 - 09:59 AM.

[Rear Admiral Tier 6]

Darth Hotz, on 14 February 2015 - 06:28 AM, said:

You can keep your TBR, if the IS gets a heavy too that has an Alpha of 60, Jumpjets and runs at 89kph...

Grasshopper is coming,apply 7 MPL + 1 LPL for maximum wub

[Aiden Skye]

nehebkau, on 14 February 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

You clanners cried hard enough to get the Thunderbolt 9s nerfed...

The reason you see so many laser-vomit builds is that there is something, in game, that many of us IS people have noticed with clan laser-vomit....it is front-loading its damage (doing more in the first 1/4 second then the remaining time) quite often. That is where the most improtant nerfing is needed.

And what about those of us that don't laser vomit. Should we be blanket nerfed too?

[LordKnightFandragon]

EvilCow, on 14 February 2015 - 09:51 AM, said:

Well, it would be interesting to see a chess game with just queens and bishops.

I could see Chess: PGI

Bishops can move 1 square in any direction before moving diagonally as many spaces as they want.
Pawns and move and eliminate opposing pieces in any direction they want
Queen may only move up to half the board in any direction
Rooks maybe now jump over any pieces in it's way
The King may now move up to 2 spaces and if it eliminates a piece, it may move 2 more spaces, repeating this process until it moves 2 spaces without killing a piece
Knights maybe move 3/3 instead of 1 up and 3 over, or 1 over and 3 up like it can now.

And it would all be subject to change based on Reddit QQ.

[Slow and Decrepit]

I wonder out of all the people that are calling for the TBR/SCR nerfs, how many of them had or have a Victor or Highlander? They just completely ruined the Victor and it ain't worth a damn today. While they have removed the nerf on the mech, the things that made it so good are still nerfed. It could jj in the air and spread the damage across the whole mech and then come down and nail you with high powered AC's/SRM's combo. Being that the pop tarters killed both mechs JJ, and with the IS AC's slowed wayyyy down, either mech is but a shadow of it's former self. Throw in the fact that the avg alpha has gone up by 10-12 pts, it makes the Victor really weak because it doesn't have the armor to dance with the TBR. The Highlander isn't much better. I would have hoped that we would have learned from this, but with all the people calling for the same crap, I guess they would all rather have every mech with 2 ml and one stick to play with. Powercreep? Maybe alittle, but I would rather that then 2 ml and a stick! All you who want more nerfs go play with a Victor for the next month and then we'll talk.

[Golden Vulf]

F4T 4L, on 13 February 2015 - 09:51 PM, said:

Right, more or less, but if the other clan mechs are brought up to tbr/scr(/hbr?) levels, clans will be hugely OP, ttk will drop, and we get another bullshit round of interminable forum QQ.

How will people using mechs that are still worse than the TBR and SCR make clans op? Quirks won't make them better. It's almost as if some **** players need to rely on opponents dropping in bad mechs to stand a chance.

nehebkau, on 14 February 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

You clanners cried hard enough to get the Thunderbolt 9s nerfed...

The reason you see so many laser-vomit builds is that there is something, in game, that many of us IS people have noticed with clan laser-vomit....it is front-loading its damage (doing more in the first 1/4 second then the remaining time) quite often. That is where the most improtant nerfing is needed.

The 9S was buffed as a sniper, and its ability to use non ER PPC weapons was also buffed. Part of this community has some reading comprehension problems.

And it was IS players who got the TDR-9S "nerfed."

Edited by Golden Vulf, 14 February 2015 - 12:41 PM.

[Adiuvo]

Golden Vulf, on 14 February 2015 - 12:31 PM, said:

How will people using mechs that are still worse than the TBR and SCR make clans op? Quirks won't make them better. It's almost as if some **** players need to rely on opponents dropping in bad mechs to stand a chance.

Quirks won't make them better? **** mechs like the Thunderbolt got quirked and got to the top of the list due to that.

[nehebkau]

W A R K H A N, on 14 February 2015 - 10:17 AM, said:

And what about those of us that don't laser vomit. Should we be blanket nerfed too?

Let me be clear ... FIX THE DAMN HITREG AND THE DAMN HSR FIRST.

That clear enough?

[Lily from animove]

beleneagle, on 14 February 2015 - 11:36 AM, said:

I wonder out of all the people that are calling for the TBR/SCR nerfs, how many of them had or have a Victor or Highlander? They just completely ruined the Victor and it ain't worth a damn today. While they have removed the nerf on the mech, the things that made it so good are still nerfed. It could jj in the air and spread the damage across the whole mech and then come down and nail you with high powered AC's/SRM's combo. Being that the pop tarters killed both mechs JJ, and with the IS AC's slowed wayyyy down, either mech is but a shadow of it's former self. Throw in the fact that the avg alpha has gone up by 10-12 pts, it makes the Victor really weak because it doesn't have the armor to dance with the TBR. The Highlander isn't much better. I would have hoped that we would have learned from this, but with all the people calling for the same crap, I guess they would all rather have every mech with 2 ml and one stick to play with. Powercreep? Maybe alittle, but I would rather that then 2 ml and a stick! All you who want more nerfs go play with a Victor for the next month and then we'll talk.

nerfing does not have to mean making it trash, of course when PGI overdoes it this happens, but some slight nerfs are needed.

and no its nto a little powercreep, if you know what the holy clantrinity cn pull off, you know that this is not a "little" powercreep we will get if everthign should go to their level.