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[YCSLiesmith]

Prussian Havoc, on 02 March 2015 - 07:33 AM, said:

One could argue that "Cult of Personality" was the foundation of ALL current and historic governance structures.

(i.e. George Washington, Lenin/Stalin, the "Continental System" and Napoleon, etc.)

One could argue that but then one would open oneself up to ridicule from everyone who has any understanding of government, history, or philosophy so one probably shouldn't.

Edited by YCSLiesmith, 02 March 2015 - 03:14 PM.

[The Droid]

[Prussian Havoc]

Alexander Steel, on 02 March 2015 - 07:41 AM, said:

You could argue, I would disagree. While the US had powerful figures during the Revolutionary War, it wasn't 1 person who the people followed and did whatever that person said no matter what...(snip)...

It is a well known fact that Senior Officers in the Revolutionary Army favored Military Rule rather than Civilian Rule of the fledging United States of America. This went so far as a plan to crown Washington "King" of America, in a manner vey similar to our mother country, England.

But then search it for yourself... those times were not the clean and simple Governance process you describe.

http://en.m.wikipedi..._Commission.jpg

YCSLiesmith, on 02 March 2015 - 03:14 PM, said:

One could argue that but then one would open oneself up to ridicule from everyone who has any understanding of government, history, or philosophy so one probably shouldn't.

So you would deny the Cult of Personality that so obviously came to surround Washington, Lenin, Stalin and Napoleon?

You would find that very difficult to argue effectively.

Edited by Prussian Havoc, 02 March 2015 - 05:00 PM.

[hopterque]

Prussian Havoc it's not really surprising that you're as bad as you are at this fake videogame statecraft thing you try to pull off on the forums if you're stuck at the level of trying to use the idea of a cult of personality as a buzzword to handwave a lot of incredibly complex political situations involving some of the most brilliant military and state leaders of the last few hundred years. Cult of personality explains basically not even the barest most insignificant scratch on the surface of why men like Washington or Stalin or Napoleon or whoever were able to achieve what they did. It's practically irrelevant, in the grand scheme of things.

[Prussian Havoc]

hopterque, on 02 March 2015 - 05:18 PM, said:

Prussian Havoc it's not really surprising that you're as bad as you are at this fake videogame statecraft thing you try to pull off on the forums if you're stuck at the level of trying to use the idea of a cult of personality as a buzzword to handwave a lot of incredibly complex political situations involving some of the most brilliant military and state leaders of the last few hundred years. Cult of personality explains basically not even the barest most insignificant scratch on the surface of why men like Washington or Stalin or Napoleon or whoever were able to achieve what they did. It's practically irrelevant, in the grand scheme of things.

lolz... you degrade even further the NKVA "brand," nice try though.

[hopterque]

With what, some cold hard facts about how you're incredibly ignorant about a subject you're trying to appear extremely knowledgeable about?

Woah oh man it's almost like this could apply to almost any post you've ever made on the mwo forums.
You write giant walls of text about nothing at all in the hopes that nobody will actually read them and so nobody will call you out on the dumb stuff you post. Kind of like MischiefSC, but he actually says good stuff off and on.

Dang I think i've sort of complimented mischief twice in the last half hour or so, I feel a little sick, ha ha ha

Also I didn't realize we had a brand, we all post in our own unique way, and it's all really cool and good.

[stratagos]

The Droid, on 02 March 2015 - 03:17 PM, said:

We need a "Report that this post is *awesome*" button

[Alexander Steel]

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It is a well known fact that Senior Officers in the Revolutionary Army favored Military Rule rather than Civilian Rule of the fledging United States of America. This went so far as a plan to crown Washington "King" of America, in a manner vey similar to our mother country, England.

But then search it for yourself... those times were not the clean and simple Governance process you describe.

Note that didn't happen however.

[YCSLiesmith]

Prussian Havoc, on 02 March 2015 - 04:56 PM, said:

It is a well known fact that Senior Officers in the Revolutionary Army favored Military Rule rather than Civilian Rule of the fledging United States of America. This went so far as a plan to crown Washington "King" of America, in a manner vey similar to our mother country, England.

But then search it for yourself... those times were not the clean and simple Governance process you describe.

http://en.m.wikipedi..._Commission.jpg



So you would deny the Cult of Personality that so obviously came to surround Washington, Lenin, Stalin and Napoleon?

You would find that very difficult to argue effectively.

I would say that a) you obvious don't know what cult of personality means and should probably look it up, and B ) you said that cult of personality was the foundation of all government structures but that's a laughably stupid statement deserving of nothing but ridicule. Washington, Lenin, Stalin, and Napoleon didn't found every government. Stalin didn't found ANY government. There are many historical and modern systems designed specifically to nip the whole 'cult of personality' thing in the bud, but even if there were just one counterexample you'd still be wrong and dumb. That's what happens when you make sweeping statements and then say b-b-but napoleon!!!

Edited by YCSLiesmith, 02 March 2015 - 08:09 PM.

[Prussian Havoc]

stratagos, on 02 March 2015 - 05:49 PM, said:

We need a "Report that this post is *awesome*" button

They Live is a fun, campy 80's movie with the amazing WWF Wrestler, Rowdy Roddy Piper in the lead role: http://en.m.wikipedi.../wiki/They_Live

[Prussian Havoc]

YCSLiesmith, on 02 March 2015 - 08:09 PM, said:

...(snip)...

It is known that you and NKVA are relentless Trolls... always looking to derail threads and never offering anything constructive.

You do House Kurita no honor by performing such low-brow forum behavior here in a Marik thread.

You simply prove once that while NKVA has skills in game, NKVA does not possess the means to truly debate in the forums.

[Alexander Steel]

Wait, you make some silly claims, they refute you.... and then you get all smug and claim they are trolling?

That's... funny.

[Tasker]

Prussian Havoc, on 02 March 2015 - 09:41 PM, said:

You simply prove once that while NKVA has skills in game, NKVA does not possess the means to truly debate in the forums.

Personally, have nothing held against you. However, you make silly claim and then double down.

Pick bad argument and stick to guns, well, this happen.

[Scoops Kerensky]

Liesmith is NKVA though and offering a cogent argument.

[Taisa Sodai Lopez Kerensky]

Washington was elected first president because he was in all likelihood the best leader amongst them.

Stalin and Napoleon essentially fostered a cult of personality (and Stalin propped Lenin up as well) in an attempt to solidify their power, not to create a government system.

The Westminster system of parliament isn't based on a cult of personality, its the culmination of centuries of English lords picking away at the power of the king. It works pretty well for the most part.

Your disregarding of what Liesmith said as "trolling" is pretty telling that you are not willing to engage in a discussion of what you are saying. If you are gonna say stuff like this, then be prepared for people to pull it apart and challenge what you are saying.

Edited by Taisa Sodai Lopez Kerensky, 02 March 2015 - 10:57 PM.

[Prussian Havoc]

Ilithi Dragon, on 16 February 2015 - 10:21 AM, said:

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My apologies, for contributing unintentionally to your thread's high jacking. I shall now close this thread until such time as we might continue our fan fiction bit... though I will await your PM before doing so.

[stratagos]

Prussian Havoc, on 02 March 2015 - 09:33 PM, said:

They Live is a fun, campy 80's movie with the amazing WWF Wrestler, Rowdy Roddy Piper in the lead role: http://en.m.wikipedi.../wiki/They_Live

Thank you for sharing. I never would have caught the extremely well known pop culture reference without your help.

[Alexander Steel]

Prussian Havoc, on 03 March 2015 - 12:13 AM, said:

My apologies, for contributing unintentionally to your thread's high jacking. I shall now close this thread until such time as we might continue our fan fiction bit... though I will await your PM before doing so.

Goofy fan fic... that doesn't match the lore. Sort of like writing some fan fic where the Kurita Noble lines are actually Dragons, and sometimes attack Davion Mechs in their dragon form while breathing fire.



I guess it's better than the Clan guy who claims as part of his character fan-fic that he's over 250 years old. Also better than the Shipper Fan-Fic that tried to hook up Victor Steiner-Davion with one of Theordore Kurita's kids.... Hohiro.

Edited by Alexander Steel, 03 March 2015 - 04:03 AM.

[LoklanZFG]

Hey, make sure the fancy new mall has one of these in it!

http://mwomercs.com/...nt-in-the-dcms/

[starwolf1991]

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