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YCSLiesmith, on 24 February 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:
maybe you should stop your shrill accusations about what was and was not agreed if you don't even know where the kurita teamspeak is, dude. you don't know anything but what you've been told and guys like Scoops who are actually in kurita high command say different.
I actually haven't been accusing anyone of anything. If you've been reading my posts, I've been posting a "from our perspective" and recognizing your statements as well.
Problem with what Scoops (and some other Kuritain command) seems to say, it seems to contradict what I've seen, what I've heard, and what I've been told. A lot of Marik command has posted their perspective. Even some Davion command posted their perspective. Now, I'm not saying anything specific here, but when what Davion and Marik says seems to line up well, what I saw and experienced lines up with what they say, and what Kurita seems to say doesn't seem to match... (Still sounds like it's just a breakdown of communications.)
As far as Teamspeak goes:
Kurita: You should go over to our TS to find out what's going on! (Does not provide IP.)
Marik: No, you should go over to our TS to talk things over. (No IP address.)
Kurita: Well, if you want to talk to us, you have to head over to OUR TS. (Still no IP address provided.)
Marik: Well. We feel if you want to sort things out with us, you should get on OUR TS and sort things out. (Still not providing any IP address.)
Round and round this goes for infinity!
(PS: I also find it hard to respect someone who makes posts like this.)
Vlad Ward, on 24 February 2015 - 01:08 PM, said:
I don't see how it matters what you did or didn't know since you've explicitly stated on multiple occasions that you're not in any position to influence anything anywhere, even in your own unit.
No one's going to go around ensuring that every member of every unit is up to date on faction politics. It's your leader's job to make sure you guys know what you're doing. If they failed to provide you with the proper information on attack routes and/or keep in contact with relevant faction units, they're the ones who screwed up.
My leaders, whom I do not believe would lie to me, told me that we were moving to Kurita to aid them against the clans. They said that we were asked to go over there (miscommunication between Marik and Kurita maybe?) and specifically help with clan targets.
Believe it or not, we hold a meeting every week. All members get a say in things for most items. Sometimes we are just told what is expected of us and our targets for the next week, with updates daily if needed. There is plenty of communication in my unit I find.
Have you considered that maybe there was/is a break down of communications between our houses? That it is also not the responsibility of every member of each faction but the commanders of each house (equally) to maintine communications?
Now, each side seems more interested in pointing fingers at each other and throwing blame. I haven't seen as much real communication on either side anymore...
pwnface, on 24 February 2015 - 01:45 PM, said:
MS showed that the wormhole experiment was a liability and potential weakness for House Kurita. We elected to close the wormhole down. Marik was interested in having a discussion/negotiation about retaining wormhole planets. Kurita wanted to shut things down. If Marik was able to connect their island to their main body we might have been able to share borders as happy allies, instead of trying to connect the island to their mainland they opted to resist Kurita attempts to close the wormhole.
Marik leaders then decided that they didn't need our permission to operate in our territory, because they deserved to be the defenders of Terra. Marik then launches a full scale surprise attack on Kurita instead of just resisting our attempts to close the wormhole. Kurita responds by committing all of our forces to both shut down the attack and shut down the wormhole in a 24 hour period.
Maybe better communication might have reduced the friction between our factions. It still doesn't change the fact that Marik was arrogant enough to believe that they could control our territory. Maybe not having any conflict zones will allow both sides to cool down, maybe not. If the Star League was truly formed to fight against the clans, going to war with Kurita is in direct conflict with those goals. I guess we'll see what happens though if/when a Marik/Kurita border is opened.
Marik leaders then decided that they didn't need our permission to operate in our territory, because they deserved to be the defenders of Terra. Marik then launches a full scale surprise attack on Kurita instead of just resisting our attempts to close the wormhole. Kurita responds by committing all of our forces to both shut down the attack and shut down the wormhole in a 24 hour period.
Maybe better communication might have reduced the friction between our factions. It still doesn't change the fact that Marik was arrogant enough to believe that they could control our territory. Maybe not having any conflict zones will allow both sides to cool down, maybe not. If the Star League was truly formed to fight against the clans, going to war with Kurita is in direct conflict with those goals. I guess we'll see what happens though if/when a Marik/Kurita border is opened.
Umm....
So, if we could connect the wormhole to Marik proper... you would have left it alone? If we had concentrated on not defending the island and instead tried to connect it instead and we managed to... you would have stopped?
It sounds more like Marik leaders were trying to delay the closure of the wormhole so that they COULD talk about it. As it was, when the wormhole was closed, do you realize how close we were to it? Even now, we sit at only one planet away from Kurita. That's a hint.
Question: How many planets were left of the Island before (some) Marik forces started to counter attack?
It doesn't seem like Marik was trying to control territory as much as delay a permanent action so that talks could happen. Also, you continue to forget that many Marik aligned mercs were actively inside your own territory at the time of these events. They had reduced numbers because we were trying to help you. Even then, some of us are still out in the FRR, helping them with what we intended to help you with instead.
You keep saying how "attacking Kurita is in direct conflict with the NSL". Really? And I'd have to say closing down the Wormhole completely (instead of only trimming it and reclaiming pieces of it) was "in direct conflict with your relations with Marik".
It is a two way street here.
Also of note: If Marik attacks Kurita from their angle, they will actually cross paths and block any clans from "getting to Terra", which wasn't that the goal of the NSL? Strangely enough... it falls right into the reasons the NSL was formed. Just not in the envisioned means originally thought of with it's creation...
PS: Can you guess why MS allied with Marik... and then expanded the Island? They manipulated your entire house to do what they wanted, which was cause confusion, hinder the IS houses, and make it easier for Ghost Bear (whom I believe MS calls their home faction for the most part) to attack Kurita/gain Terra. By causing you to close the wormhole down, you actually aided MS and Ghost Bear by removing one more obstacle from their path. A new and unknown element to them. We all have played right into their hands. But, you have to give MS respect and admire their skills at being able to pull off such a feat so effortlessly.
I'd like to mentioned again for the record, I'd rather not attack Kurita. I'd rather have a peaceful resolution here. If we keep arguing in circles, we will get no where fast and hostilities will continue.
