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[Brody319]

Fragnot, on 23 February 2015 - 04:06 PM, said:

May not be their option to allow it considering the Battletech IP which I assume is licensed to them, for how long I don't know.

I enjoyed playing Warhammer Online and that game got shut down once their 5yr license deal ran out. There were some privately run servers for the game but they got shut down also due to legal action by GW, the IP owner.

I think Microsoft owns the rights to the video game Battletech games.

so it would be up to them.

[LordKnightFandragon]

waterfowl, on 23 February 2015 - 02:15 PM, said:

will you even want to play it in 20 years? Probably not. There will probably be a better mechwarrior game out by then

Idk, Mechcommander 1 is about that old and I still play it, MW4, its almost that many years old and if I had a working joystick id be playing that for the like 50th time. Diablo 2 is older then dirt, I havent in awhile, but I still play that game. Im sure lots of people will play this game in 20 years, new game or not. Hell, Everquest 1 came out in like 1999, so it to is like 16 years old and many people still play and have returned to it.

Sooo....in 20 years will it still be played? yes. Unless of course it dies in a fire in like 2 years and PGI shuts it down...but meh.

[Divine Retribution]

If you're worried you can always wait a while after MWO hits Steam. If MWO holds a lot of those that try it out the game can last a long, long time. Even if it's just the diehards that are around now I think it will last at least a couple more years.

Edited by Divine Retribution, 23 February 2015 - 05:11 PM.

[N0MAD]

PGI is already running on whale fat..err credit, selling stuff that isnt even drawn up and wont be delivered for 4-5 months..

[Anjian]

I personally think this game is good for another 5 to 10 years. Better if Microsoft will sell the IP to PGI cheap. Given the new CEO in Microsoft I think this is very well possible.
I think of all the games I play War Thunder has given me the best value. I don't have to spend $$$ for what are essentially perpetual founders packs to get new content and it has none of those consumable content (WoT's gold shells, MWO's artillery and air strikes). It is constantly updating and improving in truly fundamental ways.

Mechwarrior Online for me has been a strong second to it though, which is good, especially when IGP was taken out of the picture. The updates are in the right direction, and more than often enough. The game remains stymied by poor map design and badly conceived mech geometries, and I believe certain maps and mechs need to have a new design pass over them. Another problem is the poor netcode and servers, there seems to be more ghosting and warping lately due to low polling rates between client and server. But over time, it is heartening to see the game has improved so much over the last six months, and I reward them by plugging another $120 for the full pack of Clan Wave III.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

They have the rights from Microsoft for another few years.

Game is making tons of money and if they release it on steam they will get tons more.

All games have a finite life and so do people frankly but given the base of this franchise it could eventually lead to MWO 2 or something in the future when the engine is completely obsolete.

Hell, StarCraft broodwar went for 20+ years so there really is no reason why this game needs to go away anytime soon.

Edited by Blueduck, 23 February 2015 - 08:03 PM.

[Kjudoon]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that PGI has the license from Microsoft through 2020 at least.

Could be wrong, but they got a lot of time to make this something truly great if they stop thinking so small and limited.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Kjudoon, on 23 February 2015 - 08:30 PM, said:

I seem to recall reading somewhere that PGI has the license from Microsoft through 2020 at least.

Could be wrong, but they got a lot of time to make this something truly great if they stop thinking so small and limited.

They did indicate this.

The game is getting lots of new content and as such I have no problems buying new mechs.

[Tezcatli]

They would probably sell their license and the game as a whole to some ****** free to play studio before dropping the game. It's obviously still profitable. People still buy the packs. In terms of cost of individual mechs it's best bang for your buck, but you have to put up a lot of bucks to get it. : /

They're constantly trying to build on the game. Though it feels like we're still beta sometimes. As long as they don't lose sight of improving the game as they go. I'll probably keep playing it on and off for years to come. If it ever becomes pay to win. Then I'll stop.

At least the pack mechs become available for in game currency. And we never lose money on a match. Unlike some games where the higher you go, the more time you have to spend time grinding or straight out pay.

Edited by Tezcatli, 23 February 2015 - 08:48 PM.

[Kjudoon]

Blueduck, on 23 February 2015 - 08:32 PM, said:

They did indicate this.

The game is getting lots of new content and as such I have no problems buying new mechs.

Yep. I bought the Resistance Wrath pack because it was a good value with all the extras.

What has me miffed is the CW experience is abysmal where even wins aren't fun because of what you have to do to get them and IS v. Clan is a joke.

Then again, beta. So I will wait for balance to start to show and hope and pray that when they finally do get around to the logistical end, I get something worthwhile like a 'Mech of Orion' level of game that makes this game have importance as a war simulator on top of a more intelligent shooter than what we currently have.

I am braced for disappointment though.

[Star Wolves Admin Account]

Kjudoon, on 23 February 2015 - 08:50 PM, said:

Yep. I bought the Resistance Wrath pack because it was a good value with all the extras.

What has me miffed is the CW experience is abysmal where even wins aren't fun because of what you have to do to get them and IS v. Clan is a joke.

Then again, beta. So I will wait for balance to start to show and hope and pray that when they finally do get around to the logistical end, I get something worthwhile like a 'Mech of Orion' level of game that makes this game have importance as a war simulator on top of a more intelligent shooter than what we currently have.

I am braced for disappointment though.

My unit has been having a ball in CW. Its really fun when you can roll a 12 man and try all sorts of new strategies.

That said we always go out of our way to try to make sure the puggies have a good time too. We don't do stuff like 12 man stormcrow generator rushes as that is just lame.

Edited by Blueduck, 23 February 2015 - 08:53 PM.

[Kiiyor]

Senor Cataclysmo, on 23 February 2015 - 10:47 AM, said:

Meh, I don't see it ending any time soon. I think its got a few more years left in it.

I think this also.

And hopefully, an engine change once DX12+ starts becoming mainstream.

[N0MAD]

Blueduck, on 23 February 2015 - 08:02 PM, said:

Game is making tons of money and if they release it on steam they will get tons more.

Mate if the game was making Tons of money why would they ..
See how many Urby packs were sold before releasing it..
Sell packs they havent even drawn up yet and you will get in 4-5 months time?
Goto steam?
All these are indications that they are working on credit, as in needing to sell stuff to pay bills and delivering months and months in the future, and the Buy in the next 10 days for extras smelt of desperation to get some $ in quick.
Also wasnt there something about a Canadian government halt to a 17.5% subsidy for payroll? or some thing happening? if so a company whos major expenditure is wages is going to hurt alot + the Steam cut?, well anyways..

Edited by N0MAD, 23 February 2015 - 09:00 PM.

[Kjudoon]

Blueduck, on 23 February 2015 - 08:53 PM, said:

My unit has been having a ball in CW. Its really fun when you can roll a 12 man and try all sorts of new strategies.

That said we always go out of our way to try to make sure the puggies have a good time too. We don't do stuff like 12 man stormcrow generator rushes as that is just lame.

Then your unit is the extreme exception. All I have seen is roflstomps and farming from every clan unit or collection of clan pugs, because it is easy for them to do. The current map gives great annecdotal evidence to that.

I have never seen your behavior exhibited by any clan unit I ran across or fought against and took only a few matches to get it and a few more later on to reinforce my negative opinion of all things clan where if I cannot fight a balanced match of IS only, I won't play.

If I could segregate the PQs, I would but at least that is semi tolerable. Since both sides can get clan equipment.

[Alistair Winter]

Fragnot, on 23 February 2015 - 03:10 PM, said:

Same deal with property tax, you never really own your house either. Sucks.

That's a weird point of view. I don't see it like that. Having a house just means society expects you to contribute more to the economy. And if you contribute nothing, society takes what is yours. I do own it though. I can level it to the ground if I want to.

MechWarrior5152251, on 23 February 2015 - 02:51 PM, said:

Its easily one of the best 10 tactical MMOs currently in business. Why would you think it won't have longevity?

Well, longevity is relative. PGI struck gold with this game, but Transverse showed me they're not above making big mistakes. That looked like a costly mistake to make, and it seemed like a very dumb mistake, both before we knew it would fail and also in retrospect.

Now, they just made it to 15 years and they've consistently employed around 50 people for several years, which is huge. There's no sign of things going sour. But I'm the sort of person who likes to have money in the bank and a shotgun in the attic to prepare for the zombie apocalypse. So in the unlikely event that MWO does go down and under in a couple of years, and PGI decides to move on, I will still own something.

And then I can play MWO during said zombie apocalypse. In my attic.

Kotev, on 23 February 2015 - 03:40 PM, said:

I understand the OP logic and respect it, but mine is that i play for fun-recreation i go to bar-restaurant for the same thing at minimum 50-100$ a night so if i skip one or two bars i can support the game.
GG for Theme Hospital
GG for Natalie!

We can't all be ballers and high rollers.

Terciel1976, on 23 February 2015 - 11:35 AM, said:

2/3 ain't bad. Portman...I've never liked in any role.

Please open the door, Terciel. The door to your heart.

[Naduk]

Alistair Winter, on 23 February 2015 - 10:44 AM, said:

I can play through the Mass Effect trilogy 50 years from now, though I may have trouble finding other people who are still interested in the Mass Effect multiplayer bit. I can still play Mechwarrior 2, I can still play Diablo 2, I can still play Theme Hospital, I can still play Master of Orion, I can still play Little Big Adventure.

yes but do you ?

when was the last time you played Masters of Orion (if you can even get it to work)
how long would you sit and accept the horrid visuals of theme hospital before you got horribly board
when was the last time you played 90% of your game library
how many collectors editions you got in there
when was the last time you booted any of those ?

games are just like any other media
consumable and expendable
when you have had your fill of a title , you will not come back
you might trip down memory lane once in 15 years but most of the time its over before the first level is finished

how many dvds do you own , that you dont watch

honestly its much better this way
the game will live as long as it has people who are playing it and getting involved
do you think League of legends will be going anywhere or what about DOTA
our player base is much smaller than theirs but its a growing user base, not shrinking
the steam launch later this year will grow that even more
basiclly as long as PGI keep doing what they doing (add content) it will keep growing
who knows we might even see them be able to buy the license from Microsoft one day

if you really are worried about losing MWO
then you should be taking proactive steps and recruiting new players and holding their hands through the horrible new user experience
because believe it or not , its not so bad when you have someone around to answer all the questions
be apart of the solution and all that junk
my last 3 recruits are doing very well and look like they will be long term players

[Alistair Winter]

Naduk, on 23 February 2015 - 09:18 PM, said:

yes but do you ?
when was the last time you played Masters of Orion (if you can even get it to work)

I played MOO2 last summer, I believe. Certainly in 2014, anyway.

Naduk, on 23 February 2015 - 09:18 PM, said:

how long would you sit and accept the horrid visuals of theme hospital before you got horribly board

I played Theme Hospital for hours and hours just a few weeks ago. I made it more than halfway through the game, to one of the final levels. Pixel art games tend to age a lot better than games with 3D graphics.

Naduk, on 23 February 2015 - 09:18 PM, said:

when was the last time you played 90% of your game library
how many collectors editions you got in there
when was the last time you booted any of those ?

I don't want to play 90% of the games in my library, I want to play my favourite games from time to time. I have a SNES in my living room, so I can play Super Mario World every couple of years. Maybe I'll play Streetfighter 2 with my children. I'm not going to play every game again, but I will want to play my old favourites again.

I even played through the first Starcraft game a couple of years ago.

Naduk, on 23 February 2015 - 09:18 PM, said:

games are just like any other media
consumable and expendable
when you have had your fill of a title , you will not come back
you might trip down memory lane once in 15 years but most of the time its over before the first level is finished

That may be what it's like for you. People are different.

Naduk, on 23 February 2015 - 09:18 PM, said:

how many dvds do you own , that you dont watch

Many. But how many times have I rewatched Pulp Fiction or Star Wars Episode IV? Maybe 20-30 times. Quite possibly more than that.

Naduk, on 23 February 2015 - 09:18 PM, said:

if you really are worried about losing MWO
then you should be taking proactive steps and recruiting new players and holding their hands through the horrible new user experience
because believe it or not , its not so bad when you have someone around to answer all the questions
be apart of the solution and all that junk
my last 3 recruits are doing very well and look like they will be long term players

Even if I recruit 100 players, it won't make a big difference. PGI is a company with 50+ employees. I may take some pride in having spent hundreds of dollars on this game, but the fact is, PGI spends that amount of money in less than a minute. Even if I recruited 100 players who all spent 100 dollars each, it's less than PGI spends in an hour. I can be a positive or negative influence, but I can't actually save this game single-handedly.

[5th Fedcom Rat]

N0MAD, on 23 February 2015 - 05:49 PM, said:

PGI is already running on whale fat..err credit, selling stuff that isnt even drawn up and wont be delivered for 4-5 months..

THIS is what worries me more than anything at the moment. The number of mech packs have been increasing in frequency to the point where they're asking $80-$130 every 3-4 months now for content that is increasingly unfinished at the time of announcement. Now we're down to just shadowy outlines but they want the money, in full, within 7 days of the announcement and months before we see what we're purchasing actually looks like.

To top this all off, I'm having to wait a worrisome long time to get a refund for my $80 Wrath pack because they botched the Enforcer so badly. So far, only silence from support and it's been over a week...

[Triordinant]

Senor Cataclysmo, on 23 February 2015 - 10:47 AM, said:

Meh, I don't see it ending any time soon. I think its got a few more years left in it.

It's not when it ends. It's what you get to keep after it ends.

[Triordinant]

Terciel1976, on 23 February 2015 - 10:56 AM, said:

I look at $/hour of entertainment. Those famous "AAA titles" rarely provide more than 15-20 hours for me. MWO has provided thousands (more than it should have, really).

Also...self-fulfilling prophecy here if enough people think like you, Alistair.

Most of my games have 100+ hours each, especially the Bioware ones like the Neverwinter Nights series, Knights of the Old Republic and the Dragon Age saga. You can replay them several more times using a different gender/race/class combo or group composition and by making different moral/ethical choices. Strategy games like the Civilization series or tactical ones like the Jagged Alliance series are infinitely replayable -and both of them have free mods you can get online to change the game experience or add entire campaigns.