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[Weeny Machine]

Says it all that you only speak about ACs in whales...

[SolCrusher]

I use the UAC20 in other clan mechs. I have a nova outfitted with one, I have a summoner, and I have a kitfox with twin UAC2s. I use clan ballistics just fine. I also like clan LBXs in all sizes on all mechs.

I'd probably run a timber with a lbx20 on an arm if it fits. Something like this:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...0bd85deb24e7ab0

I don't own timbers they seem fragile.

Edited by SolCrusher, 25 February 2015 - 01:54 PM.

[Ecrof]

Bush Hopper, on 25 February 2015 - 01:44 PM, said:

Says it all that you only speak about ACs in whales...

I don't feel like doing more builds.
BNC-3E
KGC-0000

Edited by Ecrof, 25 February 2015 - 02:16 PM.

[Kahadras]

In general I do think lasers are better than ballistics. A lot of this is down to range IMHO. It's easier to hit at range with lasers (especialy with deflection shooting) and although ballistics generate less heat by the time you've invested in the weapon system and ammo you may as well have invesed in laser weapon systems and heat sinks (as well as not having to worry about ammo explosions).

While I do use ballistics I have to admit that most of my mechs rely on lasers...

Hellbringer - 2 Large Pulse Lasers, 3 ER medium lasers
Wolverine - 4 Large Lasers
Shadowhawk - 3 Large Pulse Lasers
Cicada - 4 Medium Pulse Lasers
Raven - 2 ER Large Lasers
Kit Fox - 3 ER Medium Lasers
Panther - 2 Large Lasers

Enforcer - 2 Large Lasers, 1 AC10
Griffon - 3 Medium Pulse Lasers, 3 SRM 6's

Centurion - 1 AC10, 3 SRM 6's

I was thinking about running a dual gauss Jagermech at some point as those seem to be pretty popular at the moment

Edited by Kahadras, 25 February 2015 - 04:38 PM.

[RedDevil]

Ballistics cause screen shake. They would be better if lasers didn't all hit with pinpoint accuracy.

If all beam weapons were given an even 20% increase in beam time across the board, ballistics would seem a lot more attractive in comparison.

[ThrashInc]

Crottykid16, on 25 February 2015 - 01:36 PM, said:

OK so with my Timber-S I just bought I want a hard hitter....since can only mount 2 ballistics really...what is best set up? I usually like a bit of everything on my other timbers...So shoot.

On my TBR-S I actually run a babby version of my DWF-B.

2 CUAC5's
2MPL
2ML

Ammo / heatsinks for the rest.

[Ultimax]

Mawai, on 25 February 2015 - 01:43 PM, said:

1) I find it amazing that the meta might have finally swung around to lasers.

Might have?

The meta swung to lasers pretty much a month or two after the first clan release.

Once PPCs got nerfed it went into full swing.


IS mechs are doing their best to keep up, it's risky to try and run ballistics in an IS XL vs. Clan XL survivability and it's incredibly challenging to get multiple big ballistics + lasers on most heavies and lower with a STD engine. Even lower tonned assaults struggle to combine big ballistics and big energy in meaningful amounts.

This is why when mechs get released you see comp guys like GMan build an Enforcer 4R with 0 ballistics, why we see TDR-5SS instead of Cataphracts and Jagers in CW, why we see mechs with laser quirks move up the tier lists of available IS mechs - like the STK-4N standing higher than any stalker except for the Misery.

There are few exceptions of course, mechs with ample tonnage like BNC-3E or mechs with amazing quirks, or mechs taking a single Gauss rifle (which is always a great weapon).



Overall however, it's a laser game, for both factions. One faction has superior lasers.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 25 February 2015 - 03:31 PM.

[Napoleon_Blownapart]

its harder to tell where the ballistics are coming from than to track the laser fire back to the enemy.

[Lostdragon]

I run a 6x LBX5 DWF with great success.

[Clint Steel]

They have done a good job at making lasers better (by nerfing ballistics for the most part, with some little buffs to the pulse lasers). I'm not terribly against that, though

I would like some of the projectile weapons to be more effective on the smaller mechs (Dire Wolves do great with ballistics, along with some mechs like the Jager) not sure how to do that without supercharging the Mechs that are already good with them.

Plus IS ballistics and Gauss are pinpoint, so though they are harder to use, they have much better "killing" power, which sometimes makes a someone look like they are doing less than they are since all their damage is to one body part, it is usually much better at killing than the spreading that lasers often do.

[Xmith]

I still believe an all ballistic DWF is not the best way to go.

It may be okay for a little fun but that's about it.

When it comes to Clan builds, lasers first, everything else second.

[MysticLink]

Ballistics are fine. The only one that might need a change is AC 2. Clan Mechs can't excel at everything. Their auto-cannons shouldn't be as good as IS while Clan lasers are better then IS lasers too.

[Screech]

Water Bear, on 25 February 2015 - 12:25 PM, said:

I just want to take this moment to say:

My, how the meta has changed since I started playing, eh?

It is like fashion, everything eventually comes back in style. Back in closed beta the medium laser ruled for a long time. This is just the circle completing itself, grasshopper.

[Dock Steward]

SolCrusher, on 25 February 2015 - 01:53 PM, said:

I don't own timbers they seem fragile.

Are we all just going to pretend this wasn't said?

[Mirumoto Izanami]

Screech, on 26 February 2015 - 03:59 PM, said:

It is like fashion, everything eventually comes back in style. Back in closed beta the medium laser ruled for a long time. This is just the circle completing itself, grasshopper.

Speaking of Grasshoppers...that's going to be a fantastic energy boat, if it gets any kind of decent quirks.

[Ultimax]

Xmith, on 26 February 2015 - 01:11 PM, said:

I still believe an all ballistic DWF is not the best way to go.

It may be okay for a little fun but that's about it.

When it comes to Clan builds, lasers first, everything else second.

You build and run dakka Dire Wolves when you/your team is playing short range and rushing the enemy.

You play Dual Gauss Vomit Dire Wolf when you/your team is playing at mid to long range.

[Xythius]

Dock Steward, on 26 February 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

Are we all just going to pretend this wasn't said?

No, we're just going to ignore it. Statements like that are a good indication the poster is not to be taken seriously.

[ThrashInc]

MysticLink, on 26 February 2015 - 03:50 PM, said:

Ballistics are fine. The only one that might need a change is AC 2. Clan Mechs can't excel at everything. Their auto-cannons shouldn't be as good as IS while Clan lasers are better then IS lasers too.

Reduce the extra heat for clan, leave everything as is?

[Dock Steward]

Xythius, on 26 February 2015 - 05:21 PM, said:

No, we're just going to ignore it. Statements like that are a good indication the poster is not to be taken seriously.

Uuummmm....I don't want to argue semantics, but...

[Mikros04]

Because facetime that's why, at least for IS. If clan ac only fired one slug like IS then it would apply for them too. Fire then twist, fire then twist > fire then watch, it's even >>> more better if you actually have good aim