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[Mercules]

So the OP realizes you can buy can buy Premium Time one day at a time, right? So if you are going to play in private matches every week on Wednesday nights you have two people buy $7 MC packages and host those matches for 5 Wednesdays in a row. If you are the "leader" then you should probably be one of them and you can witness the trial.

My Unit does training like that frequently. 4 man vrs 4 man or such and we simply figure out who has premium currently running or who is willing to buy a day's worth and go from there.

It's easy to understand why they do this, as each private match eats up an instance. X number of instances exist per server they run and so they are giving up those extra spaces that could be used for other players for a custom match of less than 24.

[Mystere]

Egomane, on 04 March 2015 - 04:41 AM, said:

You keep ignoring the fact that they would potentially kill their business with this. How do you suppose to counterbalance that?

If they give ther server code into player hands, it can be reverse engineered. It will be easy to setup your own private MWO world with all the mechs you ever wanted and PGI not seeing a single cent for it. This would of course be shared through the usual file sharing sites, cutting even deeper in PGI's ability to make money.

So no... they should not do that. A bad idea remains bad, no matter how often you repeat it!

Add to that the fact that a whole lot of people out there have the "pirate anything and everything" mentality. To them, all digital content -- whether they be music, movies, or software -- are nothing more that "1's and 0's" and therefore should all be free for the taking.

mark v92, on 04 March 2015 - 05:06 AM, said:

nobody will crack a f2p game p0rn site to only play with 4 friends himself.

FTFY.

Edited by Mystere, 04 March 2015 - 08:22 AM.

[Wingbreaker]

Empyrrean, on 04 March 2015 - 01:27 AM, said:

"What? I thought it was perfectly normal and acceptable to bend over and the let the PIG have its way with my ****!"

-Golds

I'm not a gold.

They're right. It's a business. Shut the **** up and spend some money if you want it to continue. I can damn well guarantee you I've put enough time into this game to make up for the investment.

Inb4 zomg ngngshill

[Egomane]

OMG A NGNG SHILL!!!

Sorry, but you provoked it!

[Scout Derek]

*Sighs*

Another one of the few people who hate the game.

Well let me tell you something brother:

If you seriously can't handle the fact that you have to pay for premium time to get to play private matches, well, looks like you're SOL.

Also if you really can't make a private 24 match....

Me thinks you needs more friends

[Tezcatli]

Only two of you needs premium time. One on each team. Start a donation or something. Or just stop playing.

[KharnZor]

Empyrrean, on 04 March 2015 - 02:39 AM, said:

I know you're in denial, but you just described everyone who's dumb enough to defend this setup. it's unfathomably sad you're too blind to realize this. Stockholm Syndrome at its worst.

You're really hitting the bottom of the barrel now.
Why dont you go back to attempting to insult me because i'm a gold, at least it was mildly amusing.

[Stoned Prophet]

SJ SCP Wolf, on 03 March 2015 - 05:24 PM, said:

Really PGI? In order for my clan to have any kind of 1v1 trials or practice for them we have to have everyone buy premium time? Are you kidding me? The hundreds and thousands of dollars we have already spent, on hero mechs, clan mechs, on premium time already is not enough? Should I just PM Russ my routing and account numbers so he can withdraw from my account at his leisure? I have put up with a lot of your monetization of my cherished childhood universe, come on man.

Before you start white whales, we pay 60 dollars for full retail games, with dedicated server support and continued patches, so don't try to play this off like we are not supporting the game. This is gouginng the customer base to the nth degree.

ah yes you want to take up a whole server slot for you and your friend so no one else can use it ehile you are but IT SHOULD BE FREE MOMMY! Cry me a river and then oat down it far far away please

[Stoned Prophet]

Wingbreaker, on 04 March 2015 - 08:17 AM, said:

I'm not a gold.

They're right. It's a business. Shut the **** up and spend some money if you want it to continue. I can damn well guarantee you I've put enough time into this game to make up for the investment.

Inb4 zomg ngngshill

Im between 7-8 hundred space dabloons into this game... still running at about 40 cents per hour of in match time, plus met some awesome guys in the unit i joined. Im happy too. And if someone isnt, why dont they just leave?

[Wingbreaker]

Stoned Prophet, on 04 March 2015 - 09:06 AM, said:

Im between 7-8 hundred space dabloons into this game... still running at about 40 cents per hour of in match time, plus met some awesome guys in the unit i joined. Im happy too. And if someone isnt, why dont they just leave?

If what I have gathered is true, the simple answer is that they cannot create a bully pulpit in MWO as they did in previous games.

[Heffay]

Void Angel, on 03 March 2015 - 07:57 PM, said:

Your universe? "White whales?" "Monetization?" I don't even know where to start with all this stupid. Lessee...

• You're claiming ownership of something you do not own. This is called lying, or (if successful) theft.
• You're yelling at a business for charging you money for the use of hardware that costs them money. This is normally referred to as entitlement - or possibly a psychosis; hard to be sure
• You seem to be incoherently mixing two pejoratives in a brazen and extremely ham-handed attempt to poison the well against the criticism you know is coming. This is called sophistry.
• "White Knight" is an excercise in brazen genetic fallacy and poisoning the well - you are simultaneously attempting to dismiss an argument which you have not heard due to its origin instead of its merits. This is called an invalid argument.
• Note also the appeal to public opinion, where "we" have spent "hundreds and thousands" of dollars on the game, so his opinion has weight. This is just stupid.
• "Whales" is a gambling term denoting a rich gambler who spends a large amount of money for the thrill of gambling, without appreciable skill and not caring if the gamble pays off, because the money is trivial to him. In this context it is a despicable attempt to invoke class envy and privilege by implying that anyone whoapproves of paying for server time which only they use (i.e. private matches) is 1) insensitive to the economic burdens of the poor, and 2) a fool without a grasp of the practical value of money for "the rest of us." This is called a lack of shame.

I also find the sudden, manufactured outburst of shocked rage at a long-standing policy to be laughable, but I had more than enough bullets. This entire argument fails on its own merits - indeed, it seems to have none - and if the original poster had any sense of shame, he would never have put it up. The only reason I'm even responding is to pile on the negative feedback on the off chance someone gets the idea that this silliness should be taken seriously.

You forgot the /micdrop. Here's one for you:

[Sylonce]

I read maybe the first couple pages of this long winded thread.

I understand where the OP is coming from. Yeah, premium time can be cheap, and it can come pretty easily on certain event days. What I don't understand is why people actually defend a pay-to-play private match option.

It may be a fact of life that PGI decided to charge for this, but it's really one of those things that ought not to be charged, even if you view the amounts to be insignificant. As gamers, a free private match option is much more preferable, no? I highly doubt it would even be costly to PGI even with a stretch of imagination, as certainly there are other (probably many others) F2P games that allow for private matches without asking for a dime.

Not trying to be confrontational here. I really don't play enough to care too much about the policy. It is just that some of the comments here boggles my mind.

Edited by Sylonce, 04 March 2015 - 09:39 AM.

[Fragnot]

OP, I was disappointed too when I first realized this, but I can't get too upset about it. It's very far down on the list of economic injustices that torment me. Too far down to really care actually. But I feel ya.

[Joseph Mallan]

dimachaerus, on 04 March 2015 - 08:12 AM, said:

Oh look, it's one of THOSE Smoke Jaguars.

The ones who quite literally tried to take over MW:LL,
The ones who never fought a fair match in their entire history,
The ones who when they started losing would find any exploit they could to force a draw,
The ones who would ban people off their server for kicking their butts,
The ones who were the most virulent, rude, and generally toxic mother******* ever to grace any game I've ever played.

Yeah, they charge for private matches unless you have two full teams. I'm sorry you cant scrape up 24 guys who can stomach you and your cronies. Does it suck? Yeah, it's not so great. Do you suck even worse? Yes, and I enjoy watching you squirm about it.

Good thing I bought popcorn the other day, I haven't read a good ol' "SJ" whine thread in YEARS.

I don't know... Many of the Jags I knew were good folk. They were also quite honorable.

[Mystere]

Sylonce, on 04 March 2015 - 09:36 AM, said:

I read maybe the first couple pages of this long winded thread.

I understand where the OP is coming from. Yeah, premium time can be cheap, and it can come pretty easily on certain event days. What I don't understand is why people actually defend a pay-to-play private match option.

It may be a fact of life that PGI decided to charge for this, but it's really one of those things that ought not to be charged, even if you view the amounts to be insignificant. As gamers, a free private match option is much more preferable, no? I highly doubt it would even be costly to PGI even with a stretch of imagination, as certainly there are other (probably many others) F2P games that allow for private matches without asking for a dime.

Not trying to be confrontational here. I really don't play enough to care too much about the policy. It is just that some of the comments here boggles my mind.

Then may I suggest reading some more. The reasons given are on the pages you did not read. But as a summary, they have to do with basic concepts such as "making money" and "maintaining control". PGI is a business after all and those two basic concepts are important to them.

Edited by Mystere, 04 March 2015 - 09:43 AM.

[Remarius]

Gamuray, on 03 March 2015 - 07:18 PM, said:

@Mystere

Gee, maybe because the decade long server service ended and private matches there are LAN only and 'out of date' .. meaning it plays different. The focus is on private matches, not the whole game.

I'll repeat this: There is NO VALID EXCUSE for PGI to require payment to have private matches.

Thanks for telling us that... though I am laughing at you at the moment. Were you planning to keep ranting because it is entertaining?

[Sylonce]

Mystere, on 04 March 2015 - 09:42 AM, said:

Then may I suggest reading some more. The reasons given are on the pages you did not ready. But as a summary, they have to do with basic concepts such as "making money" and "maintaining control". PGI is a business after all and those two basic concepts are important to them.

I may indulge in reading some more, sure. But if I may point out, there are many businesses similar to the PGI model that doesn't require nickel and diming little things like this in order to make money. The fact that it's good for the bottom line doesn't necessarily make it a good thing for the customer. I'm not challenging PGI's policy on this, as like I said, I don't really care, but it raises an eyebrow seeing people defend it.

Edited by Sylonce, 04 March 2015 - 09:50 AM.

[Wingbreaker]

Gamuray, on 03 March 2015 - 07:18 PM, said:

There is NO VALID EXCUSE for PGI to require payment to have private matches.

I'll bite.

Yes, there is: They have to provide a separate additional (unknown number) of servers to be at the ready for when people want to use a private match. We HAVE seen, during the transition after IGP, periods when we were actually maxxing out the server count.

Servers cost money. Servers that do nothing but sit around possibly while people may or may not use them at all times cost even more money.

Welcome to business.

Edited by Wingbreaker, 04 March 2015 - 09:49 AM.

[Mystere]

Sylonce, on 04 March 2015 - 09:48 AM, said:

I may indulge in reading some more, sure. But if I may point out, there are many businesses similar to the PGI model that doesn't require nickel and diming little things like this in order to make money. The fact that it's good for the bottom line doesn't necessarily make it a good thing for the customer. I'm not challenging PGI's policy on this, as like I said, I don't really care, but it raises an eyebrow seeing people defend it.

That might not be necessary. The post above this one already gives the basic rationale.

[Sylonce]

Wingbreaker, on 04 March 2015 - 09:48 AM, said:

Yes, there is: They have to provide a separate additional (unknown number) of servers to be at the ready for when people want to use a private match. We HAVE seen, during the transition after IGP, periods when we were actually maxxing out the server count.

Can you explain the additional server requirement in more detail? I don't get how a player deciding to play privately as opposed to publicly would require additional servers.