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[Xetelian]

The TBR SCR and DWF are OP

The Iceferret Nova Adder Summoner Mist lynx all suck.

[KharnZor]

Yokaiko, on 09 March 2015 - 09:56 PM, said:

Its not them its TIBERWOLF OVERPOWA!!!!!
I don't even run them currently.

They are a versitile mech but as ever its the meat not the metal that counts. I mean, you can put a stupid pilot in a TW and they are about as OP as a commando that does sub 100kph

[Arc Viper]

When I was pugging it with clan wolf on CW I lost every single match because it was always a pug fest. Being on the IS side I've at least had some organized groups on my team sometimes. Maybe I'm just unlucky.

[Destructicus]

Jonny Slam, on 09 March 2015 - 10:07 PM, said:

Sorry boys, as I told you not going play those games so insult away. Just know that I'm going to talk about the subject not your distractions, unfortunately I also have to tell you that from here out I will have to report any more abuse because I just can't be bothered with giving you lads any more chances to cut it out.

Referring to people you don't like as children is a pretty cheap way to dismiss people who disagree with you.
If you're that offend by stuff you should stay off the internet.
Also
You're not a mod, quit trying to act like one and attempting to censor people you disagree with by threatening to report people you don't like.
That's not how a conversation works 'lad'

[Ten Ton]

Xetelian, on 09 March 2015 - 10:05 PM, said:

The TBR SCR and DWF are OP

The Iceferret Nova Adder Summoner Mist lynx all suck.

Do you drop with the DWF in CW much?

[Ten Ton]

Destructicus, on 09 March 2015 - 10:11 PM, said:

Referring to people you don't like as children is a pretty cheap way to dismiss people who disagree with you.
If you're that offend by stuff you should stay off the internet.
Also
You're not a mod, quit trying to act like one and attempting to censor people you disagree with by threatening to report people you don't like.
That's not how a conversation works 'lad'

Mate give it up, he is not going to bite.

And for the record to my recollection he didn't threaten anyone, in fact he asked several times, then warned and finally the guy gave you all a heads up when he had enough, which gave you more than enough room to avoid a deserved report.

All of that was way more than you deserved, but then I always hate when little groups attempt to gang up a posters.

[Ten Ton]

KharnZor, on 09 March 2015 - 10:10 PM, said:

They are a versitile mech but as ever its the meat not the metal that counts. I mean, you can put a stupid pilot in a TW and they are about as OP as a commando that does sub 100kph

But you put a good pilot in a Timby he is going to crush way more cans, then he will in any other IS heavy mech.

Which is why I'm all clan mechs, solo, group, CW.

[Destructicus]

Ten Ton, on 09 March 2015 - 10:16 PM, said:

Mate give it up, he is not going to bite.

And for the record to my recollection he didn't threaten anyone, in fact he asked several times, then warned and finally the guy gave you all a heads up when he had enough, which gave you more than enough room to avoid a deserved report.

All of that was way more than you deserved, but then I always hate when little groups attempt to gang up a posters.

All in all it's not ganging up when people who disagree with you all replay to the same post in a public forum
If you're not aware, silly posts are kind of treated in this manner on this forum, not exactly sure what op or you yourself were expecting
I'd probably have a nervous breakdown if I got this upset every time somebody disagreed with me on this forum
At least when I have an argument I don't have to call the people attacking me children in a cheap dismissal.

Edited by Destructicus, 09 March 2015 - 10:24 PM.

[Tezcatli]

They won't nerf the Clans. They make more money that way.

Edited by Tezcatli, 09 March 2015 - 10:28 PM.

[Ten Ton]

Tezcatli, on 09 March 2015 - 10:27 PM, said:

They won't nerf the Clans. They make more money that way.

Nah, not the case now that you can buy with C-bills.

[Void Angel]

Jonny Slam, on 09 March 2015 - 05:27 PM, said:

Just felt it was more a preemptive poke at clan pilots, backhanded insult of clan pilot skills. Which would be silly because there are as many great clan pilots per-capita as there are IS pilots.

Hahaha. Haha. Hah. Tell that to These Guys. The poster you're responding to is unfortunately not making that claim up.

[Tezcatli]

Ten Ton, on 09 March 2015 - 10:30 PM, said:

Nah, not the case now that you can buy with C-bills.

But they got new hotness coming out. Bad for business if they nerf. Not to say they won't just throw the IS another bone. Like they did with the tonnage increase when fighting Clans.

[Jonny Slam]

Tezcatli, on 09 March 2015 - 10:27 PM, said:

They won't nerf the Clans. They make more money that way.

Well I tend to disagree with the more money theory, for the C-bill and other reasons.

And Nerfing the Clans won't fix things, they were created to be a superior tech line, pure and simple. Nerfing them would not only incense the pilots who bought them because they were Clan mechs, it would just create more confusion in a baseline that has already had too many stop-gap measures applied.

As long as we all keep fighting about whether Clan tech is more powerful (notice I didn't say OP), and taking it as a insult to piloting skills to acknowledge that fact Russ and Co. will be able to pursue the cheaper (but doomed to fail) quirks and stop-gap measures. Only when we as player base stop sniping and defending/and bitching about Clan tech advantage can we make clear to Russ and PGI that we want them to do what it takes to deliver on what they sold us all on, and what the game is based on (both online and TT versions), a superior tech line opponent versus a numerically superior opponent.

[Void Angel]

Destructicus, on 09 March 2015 - 09:38 PM, said:

I don't have a problem with tweaking for balance, but I do have a problem with IS constantly wanting us nerfed to the ground while they run around with 3 LL without ghost heat.

[Jonny Slam]

cSand, on 09 March 2015 - 10:32 PM, said:

You know what, I take it all back

Thanks, that's cool mate. Now maybe you could take the some time to read over all the good points people made in this thread with those fresh eyes. Glad you to have you onboard.

[Destructicus]

Void Angel, on 09 March 2015 - 10:42 PM, said:

It's funny because my statement was directly related to balance and the whole clan vs is thing
but w/e
imagemacroslolimadeanonpoint

Edited by Destructicus, 09 March 2015 - 10:45 PM.

[Jonny Slam]

Tezcatli, on 09 March 2015 - 10:36 PM, said:

But they got new hotness coming out. Bad for business if they nerf. Not to say they won't just throw the IS another bone. Like they did with the tonnage increase when fighting Clans.

I had entirely forgotten the "new hotness" factor!

[cSand]

Jonny Slam, on 09 March 2015 - 10:43 PM, said:

Thanks, that's cool mate. Now maybe you could take the some time to read over all the good points people made in this thread with those fresh eyes. Glad you to have you onboard.

I could but I said all I had back in my novella on page 3 or 4

Edited by cSand, 09 March 2015 - 10:45 PM.

[Jonny Slam]

KharnZor, on 09 March 2015 - 10:44 PM, said:

Obviously not as i've already given my thoughts on the subject
Quit it with the fake outrage. mate.

Kharn, I'm not real sure, what your trying to get across here but I'm not outraged, not even fake outraged. I'm just talking with some others about a pretty important issue.

[luxebo]

I spend an hour off this thread and it becomes this. Clanners please settle down and actually argue properly and stop trolling the thread to oblivion. This thread is just like the balance at the moment,

Jonny Slam, on 09 March 2015 - 10:02 PM, said:

I don't know Lux, I appreciate the thought behind your ideas here but really I worry this would be more valuable time and resources thrown at buffing and quirking our way out of a dead end and wasted in the end.

I just see all the energy spent on the quirks thus far and they have done so much more damage than good. They haven't gotten us anywhere near a usable outcome. Between Mechs that the Clans scream about to mechs that become absolutely useless in a day to IS pilots, and that doesn't even address how out of whack it will all go once the Clans start getting quirked. Any kind of consistent benchmark will be irretrievably lost and at that point it will be a mad grab for balance as both sides relentlessly lobby for their babies.

I think quirks helped massively. For example the 4N would be garbage without quirks, same as RVN-2X, and HBKs/FS9s.

The thing is that they are using quirks for the wrong purposes. If quirks continue to be in the wrong direction (i.e. force each mech into supreme DPS race) then it's sorta wasted, but if they try to start making mech roles (seeing some improvement like in the Zues/Grasshopper quirks with armor quirks etc), then it maybe improving.