48 replies to this topic

[Darth Hotz]

Greetings,

recently i was told that CASE is useless if you drive an XL engine like i do in my Jager DD, so i removed it. Guess what happens. Next 3 games i die because of ammo explosions. That never happend when i had the CASE installed.
I also remembered that ammo explosions were the reason why i installed CASE way back and never died because of ammo explosions since then. My Jager was gone when i lost the side torso because of weapon damage but never because of ammo explosions.

So im really doubting that CASE is useless for XL engines.

[InRev]

CASE prevents damage transfer to the CT from the ST. With an XL engine, the side torso will still be destroyed by the ammo explosion meaning you will still experience engine death.

In TT, CASE in XL mechs was only to prevent the pilot from going boom or from a total write-off of the mech. Neither of those things matter in this game, so CASE is just a waste of tonnage in XL builds.

[FupDup]

CASE is absolutely useless with XL engines, for the IS anyways. CASE just contains the explosion to a single body part*, it doesn't actually prevent it from happening or even reduce the damage dealt by it. So if ammo explodes in your side torso, it still destroys your side torso if you have CASE installed. And since you have an XL engine, you die when you lose the side torso.

You're experiencing a mixture of the placebo effect and confirmation bias. RNJesus has coincidentally began to favor you sometime after you put CASE back in, but the item itself does not actually help your build in any way. You've just been lucky.



*There is supposedly a bug that CASE currently isn't even preventing explosion damage from transferring to the CT, at least for Gauss that is.

[willismaximus]

You can doubt all you want. Case only prevents an ammo explosion from transferring to an adjecent component. Since an IS mech is dead with the loss of a side torso with xl equipped, case is useless.

[0bsidion]

I think there is a lot of confusion about how CASE actually works in the game because there isn't often much transparency in how some things work. The items typically have some vague description, if that. The only real way to determine how something works is to use it. So if your experience is showing that CASE works with XLs, by all means, keep using it.

[mogs01gt]

Move ammo to your legs. Running a Gauss jager simply tells everyone you already have an XL.

[PurpleNinja]

CASE nullifies all ammo explosions. Right?

[FupDup]

PurpleNinja, on 13 March 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

CASE nullifies all ammo explosions. Right?

No, it doesn't. Scroll up a few posts.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"You're experiencing a mixture of the placebo effect and confirmation bias"

Wait. CASE in his side torso *is* preventing the ammo explosion from transferring damage to the XL components in the center torso. Is it possible to have an ammo explosion transfer damage to the CT engine components without destroying the ones in the side torso first?

Edited by Fenrisulvyn, 13 March 2015 - 06:52 AM.

[PurpleNinja]

FupDup, on 13 March 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

No, it doesn't. Scroll up a few posts.

Then it halves all the ammo explosions. Right?

[FupDup]

Fenrisulvyn, on 13 March 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

"You're experiencing a mixture of the placebo effect and confirmation bias"
Wait. CASE in his side torso *is* preventing the ammo explosion from transferring damage to the XL components in the center torso. Is it possible to have an ammo explosion destroy the adjacent torso's engine without destroying the engine in the side torso first?

No it's not. If ammo explodes, your side torso will still die whether or not you have CASE installed. CASE does not prevent destruction, it just contains it to the side torso. And since the side torso is still destroyed, the XL engine mech dies anyways. That's why CASE is pointless on IS XL mechs.

PurpleNinja, on 13 March 2015 - 06:50 AM, said:

Then it halves all the ammo explosions. Right?

No. The explosions deal full damage. All CASE does is keep the explosion localized into a single body part (generally that body part is destroyed) rather than spreading through multiple body parts. In this situation, IS CASE keeps the explosion from reaching your CT...but it doesn't protect the side torsos that contain the fragile XL engine.

[PurpleNinja]

FupDup, on 13 March 2015 - 06:53 AM, said:

No. The explosions deal full damage. All CASE does is keep the explosion localized into a single body part (generally that body part is destroyed) rather than spreading through multiple body parts. In this situation, IS CASE keeps the explosion from reaching your CT...but it doesn't protect the side torsos that contain the fragile XL engine.

I recall someone stating that it redirects all damage to left leg with 0.21 multiplier.

[FupDup]

PurpleNinja, on 13 March 2015 - 06:55 AM, said:

I recall someone stating that it redirects all damage to left leg with 0.21 multiplier.

Now I think you're just trolling.

[Thorqemada]

MWO CASE is not an Ammunition Container - MWO CASE is a Damage Bulkhead that separates a Torsopart from the others in case of an Ammo Explosion.

Imho this is a very wrong Interpretation of what a CASE should be but it is that way - though CASE is for Ammuniton and not for Engines anyway!

[PurpleNinja]

FupDup, on 13 March 2015 - 06:57 AM, said:

Now I think you're just trolling.

BINGO, you need MOAR caffeine.

And I need less caffeine maybe.

[FupDup]

PurpleNinja, on 13 March 2015 - 07:02 AM, said:

BINGO, you need MOAR caffeine.

And I need less caffeine maybe.

[PurpleNinja]

FupDup, on 13 March 2015 - 07:03 AM, said:

How can you post a mirror?

[FupDup]

PurpleNinja, on 13 March 2015 - 07:06 AM, said:

How can you post a mirror?

[Kinski Orlawisch]

Dead is dead. By ST or Ammo...so it just changes why you died....

[Metus regem]

InRev, on 13 March 2015 - 05:58 AM, said:

CASE prevents damage transfer to the CT from the ST. With an XL engine, the side torso will still be destroyed by the ammo explosion meaning you will still experience engine death.

In TT, CASE in XL mechs was only to prevent the pilot from going boom or from a total write-off of the mech. Neither of those things matter in this game, so CASE is just a waste of tonnage in XL builds.

In TT, it also stopped the mech being a total write off too... usually if the CT was totally destroyed, the mech couldn't be salvaged....