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[Kjudoon]

Eldagore, on 15 March 2015 - 11:44 AM, said:

Stop crying. Every new mech can't be better then the last one. What do you people want? A game with 100 ton Firemoths so you can shoot people with 80 point alphas from 98% cover? SOUNDS JUST LIKE BATTLETECH TO ME!!

The sad part is how many people DO want that if they're the only ones who can have it.

[Burktross]

Sigilum Sanctum, on 15 March 2015 - 02:45 PM, said:

We're not complaining about the Zeus, general consensus is the Zeus is in a pretty good spot.

If you bothered to read at all, we're concerned that a 70 heavy Battlemech is the size of an Assault; height, and shoulder width.

I want to hear the exact logical reasoning why the person modeling this mech was allowed, or told to model the Grasshopper that large.

EDIT: We're not demanding every new mech be better than the last one, we just don't want our new mech to be gimped out of the gate by an obviously ridiculous scaling problem.

I'd say the Zeus needs to be a tidge taller.

Maybe even less.

[Burktross]

Bandito. For reference, could you humor me with an Orion / Atlas picture, or a Hopper / Orion?

Edited by Burktross, 15 March 2015 - 04:17 PM.

[Sjorpha]

Sigilum Sanctum, on 15 March 2015 - 02:45 PM, said:

I want to hear the exact logical reasoning why the person modeling this mech was allowed, or told to model the Grasshopper that large.

If the scaling is done by a volume per tonnage calculation, and assuming similar density across chassis, then any mech with slim legs and waist will automatically be very tall.

And since the Grasshopper is actually very slim in the legs and waist area, the models total volume looks similar to the Cataphract to me.

The shoulders being wide doesn't actually add much volume to the model since that width is mostly the attachments, the torso is still slim.

Whatever the calculation is, lights are evidently treated very differently since they have been made so incredibly small in MWO. They look like they are several times denser than all other mechs or they would have to be much larger.

Edited by Sjorpha, 15 March 2015 - 04:35 PM.

[oldradagast]

Trashhead, on 15 March 2015 - 11:59 AM, said:

^Show this to a new player and ask him which is the heavier mech. Should be fun.

Now, now - the Quickdraw is "60-ton size," which means larger than 70+ tons for some insane reason.

Yeah, PGI cannot scale mechs correctly. Everything past the original 4 has been hit or miss, mostly at random.

[Madcap72]

Mavairo, on 15 March 2015 - 05:45 AM, said:

FFS....

Seriously PGI?

Start using TT heights for mechs already. You suck at this.

[Burktross]

Madcap72, on 15 March 2015 - 04:49 PM, said:

I think he meant lore heights, not miniatures.

[Madcap72]

The fun part is everyone arguing about scale, when all the mechs have differing volume and mass among the stripped chassis as has been mentioned.

Many of your scaling arguments fall apart, and this thread as well because subjective judgments are being based on hight and width, discounting depth.

By many of the arguments being put forth a the King Crab should be near the same hight as an Atlas because they are both 100 tons.

But if you scaled a King Crab that way, it's volume and mass would increase making it WELL over 100 tons...

So really what it boils down to, is what people subjectivly like the looks of.

Burktross, on 15 March 2015 - 05:01 PM, said:

I think he meant lore heights, not miniatures.

He said TT specifically, there's TT mini's.

Edited by Madcap72, 15 March 2015 - 05:06 PM.

[Burktross]

Madcap72, on 15 March 2015 - 05:05 PM, said:

The fun part is everyone arguing about scale, when all the mechs have differing volume and mass among the stripped chassis as has been mentioned.

Many of your scaling arguments fall apart, and this thread as well because subjective judgments are being based on hight and width, discounting depth.

By many of the arguments being put forth a the King Crab should be near the same hight as an Atlas because they are both 100 tons.

But if you scaled a King Crab that way, it's volume and mass would increase making it WELL over 100 tons...

So really what it boils down to, is what people subjectivly like the looks of.


He said TT specifically, there's TT mini's.

TT connotation typically makes it a synonym to lore.
But let's stop before a Semantics™ Argument arises.

[Madcap72]

Burktross, on 15 March 2015 - 05:10 PM, said:

TT connotation typically makes it a synonym to lore.
But let's stop before a Semantics™ Argument arises.

Ok, put up a list of lore hights, then we can compare those to the material properties (specfically densities per volume) of material used to build mechs to determine if they are feasable, and then compare that to the PGI renditions.

[Mirumoto Izanami]

Madcap72, on 15 March 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

Ok, put up a list of lore hights, then we can compare those to the material properties (specfically densities per volume) of material used to build mechs to determine if they are feasable, and then compare that to the PGI renditions.

I'm not sure where people are getting lore heights, but...



Yes...yes...lets have a supertall locust please!

Edited by Mirumoto Izanami, 15 March 2015 - 05:33 PM.

[Burktross]

Madcap72, on 15 March 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

Ok, put up a list of lore hights, then we can compare those to the material properties (specfically densities per volume) of material used to build mechs to determine if they are feasable, and then compare that to the PGI renditions.

I'm not justifying lore heights, nor do I know what they are-- just clarifying. I'm not even sure where all of the heights are listed!

[El Bandito]

Burktross, on 15 March 2015 - 04:17 PM, said:

Bandito. For reference, could you humor me with an Orion / Atlas picture, or a Hopper / Orion?

Sorry, I do not own Orion, and there is no trial Orion this week, therefore I cannot give you an accurate picture. If you have an Orion, please take a screenshot of it and post it here so I can make the comparison picture for you.

Meanwhile, here is Timbie.

Edited by El Bandito, 15 March 2015 - 05:36 PM.

[Wildstreak]

The Zeus is not really smaller than the Victor or Quickdraw except in the arms.

The Grasshopper got hit by Trebuchet/Quickdraw disease though I missed the higher weapon mounts. They still do not make up for the size.

[El Bandito]

Madcap72, on 15 March 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

Ok, put up a list of lore hights, then we can compare those to the material properties (specfically densities per volume) of material used to build mechs to determine if they are feasable, and then compare that to the PGI renditions.

Mirumoto Izanami, on 15 March 2015 - 05:33 PM, said:

I'm not sure where people are getting lore heights, but...

Yes...yes...lets have a supertall locust please!

Burktross, on 15 March 2015 - 05:33 PM, said:

I'm not justifying lore heights, nor do I know what they are-- just clarifying. I'm not even sure where all of the heights are listed!

I want PGI to base their mechs more from this source. See how the Grasshopper is noticeably shorter than the Banshee?




But in MWO reality...




I rest my case.

[Burktross]

El Bandito, on 15 March 2015 - 05:34 PM, said:

Sorry, I do not own Orion, and there is no trial Orion this week, therefore I cannot give you an accurate picture. If you have an Orion, please take a screenshot of it and post it here so I can make the comparison picture for you.

Meanwhile, here is Timbie.

Meh. always thought the Timby was too small from the moment I saw it in game next to a hunchie.

Regardless, here's one of my Orions.
[1920 x 1080 display.]
http://i.imgur.com/CzkbXnt.jpg

Spoiler

[El Bandito]

Burktross, on 15 March 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:

Meh. always thought the Timby was too small from the moment I saw it in game next to a hunchie.

Regardless, here's one of my Orions.

As requested, Grasshopper vs Orion.




Orion vs. Atlas.

[Madcap72]

Mirumoto Izanami, on 15 March 2015 - 05:33 PM, said:

I'm not sure where people are getting lore heights, but...



Yes...yes...lets have a supertall locust please!

LOL nailed it.

[Burktross]

El Bandito, on 15 March 2015 - 05:48 PM, said:

As requested, Grasshopper vs Orion.




Orion vs. Atlas.

Dear god! I thought the Orion was big for its weight and attracted too much attention! I grow more fearful
with each moment...

At least this soothes my nerves.

It's hard to see the different pixels' colors, but orange = firing exposure, yellow = total

Done.

Edited by Burktross, 15 March 2015 - 06:19 PM.

[El Bandito]

Burktross, on 15 March 2015 - 06:13 PM, said:

Dear god! I thought the Orion was big for its weight and attracted too much attention! I grow more fearful
with each moment...

At least this soothes my nerves.

It's hard to see the different pixels' colors, but orange = firing exposure, yellow = total

Done.

The Phract can snipe with its nipple guns for minimum exposure.