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[Joseph Mallan]

AUSwarrior24, on 16 March 2015 - 01:12 AM, said:

If the Grasshopper was resized height wise according to that chart, or at least in relation to MW:O's sizing of the Banshee, it would look like this:



While there's certainly a difference and it seems somewhat more natural, the size difference... isn't that big. I really think we'll have to see how it handles in game.

That Banshee looks considerably more massive. I like it!

[El Bandito]

AUSwarrior24, on 16 March 2015 - 01:12 AM, said:

If the Grasshopper was resized height wise according to that chart, or at least in relation to MW:O's sizing of the Banshee, it would look like this:



While there's certainly a difference and it seems somewhat more natural, the size difference... isn't that big. I really think we'll have to see how it handles in game.

And to imagine that PGI could have done it like this from the beginning... ...it was suppose to be no-brainer.

[Ursh]

Sweep the legs.

Someone had to say it.

[SgtMagor]

with those long legs does this mean the hopper gets a jump and speed bonus?

[Bishop Steiner]

Reitrix, on 16 March 2015 - 12:23 AM, said:

The only size tweaking i can think of is when they made the hitbox of the Centys CT 10% larger, in should be in patch notes somewhere.
The Awesome also got hitbox size tweaks as well as the Cataphract and Jager Cockpits, but i can't recall a time when a 'Mechs phyical appearance got smaller. Though i would love for my Nova to not be as large as a King Crab, I'm not holding my breath on seeing a change there.

Naw, this wasn't hitboxes. This is possibly a Closed Beta Urban Legend, but according to some who were playing it before me, the Centy was not always so wide, but that due to some early hit detection issues, they had to widen it's physical CT.

Again, I can neither confirm nor deny, but this would have been early 2012.

[KraftySOT]

Lynx7725, on 15 March 2015 - 09:51 PM, said:

Well, as far back as I could remember the MAD always had its AC in the torso. It looks "head" mounted, yeah, but mechanically I've always remembered it as RT mounted. I can check my "falling apare" 3025 TRO, but I understand there's been some retconning in recent years by Catty Lab too.

Megamek is a very nice program, I agree. Still, canon or not, I'll take Catty Lab's word for it. Even PGI has to give face to Catty Lab in that regards, on certain key things.

Pintle Mount (Marauder)
Functions like vehicle pintle mounts weighing 5% of the weapons tonnage, rounded up to the nearest half ton and occupy 1 critical slot.

The AC is actually considered a Hand Held Weapon from Maxtech:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Maximum_Tech

Its mounted to the HEAD, via a pintle mount with its critical in the single slot.

Its ammo is in the RT, with a Feed Mechanism as well as:

• Combat Computer
  
• Cramped Cockpit
  
• Difficult to Maintain
  
• Improved Cooling Jackets
  
• No Ejection System

And Megamek is MORE canon than Catalyst.


Catalyst is a pure steaming pile really.

No Ejection from a MAD either with that turret mounted above your head. Fun times.

Edited by KraftySOT, 16 March 2015 - 07:56 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

At least we get high mounted missiles, will make for a better lurm boat.

[operatorZ]

Cant Beat TBR?

DOA

[Sputty]

Like, we all complain about pay 2 win in games now but pay 2 lose with the resistance pack is pretty bold of PGI. Nice to see them trying to change the F2P dynamic.

Anyway, Clan Wave 3 looks to have good mechs with nice hardpoints. Wonder what that's about.

[Macksheen]

Burktross, on 15 March 2015 - 06:41 PM, said:

Yes, yes, It's not exact, but it's the damn well best we got.

Now we need to worry about it getting focused fire'd, and then when it releases, whine about hitboxes.

Fin.

If anyone wants to see the entire evolution of this convoluted debate, look here. i have tons of pretty pictures from my evolving viewpoint that stretch on to page 11.

So, considering targeting priorities will decide whether this mech lives or dies, we must now accept that the origin of its flaws, if it comes with some, will be solely reliant on the meta of threat evaluation and gut reaction!

%$^$#*&!

Never use facts to ruin a good story, you meanie.

[Bishop Steiner]

KraftySOT, on 16 March 2015 - 07:50 AM, said:

Pintle Mount (Marauder)
Functions like vehicle pintle mounts weighing 5% of the weapons tonnage, rounded up to the nearest half ton and occupy 1 critical slot.

The AC is actually considered a Hand Held Weapon from Maxtech:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Maximum_Tech

Its mounted to the HEAD, via a pintle mount with its critical in the single slot.

Its ammo is in the RT, with a Feed Mechanism as well as:

• Combat Computer
  
• Cramped Cockpit
  
• Difficult to Maintain
  
• Improved Cooling Jackets
  
• No Ejection System

And Megamek is MORE canon than Catalyst.


Catalyst is a pure steaming pile really.

No Ejection from a MAD either with that turret mounted above your head. Fun times.

Ummmmmmm... What?


Megamek ain't remotely canon. It uses level 3 and special case rules, and even lot of made up discuss crap.

The AC on a MAD is not a little mount, not head mounted, not have held, etc. From the very first FASA publication on, it has always been mounted in the RT. Period. And whether it's been FanPro or CGL, that has never changed.

Also the legal license holder determine canon, not some fan made mod.

[C E Dwyer]

El Bandito, on 15 March 2015 - 07:10 PM, said:

The Phract has the option of only using the torsi energy mounts for minimal exposure though. Grasshopper needs to expose the whole torso for that.

You can do but I'd rather let rip with triple UAC5's, its still a beast, if you don't sit in the open.
I am going to enjoy the Hopper, but I still rate Ballistic builds above Is Laser boats, that much cooler, makes the difference.

I think in the end the Hopper will play like a jumpy MPL Gargoyle

[Ultimax]

Gas Guzzler, on 16 March 2015 - 08:05 AM, said:

At least we get high mounted missiles, will make for a better lurm boat.

I don't think one LRM 5 in the head with no Artemis can be called a "lurm boat".

[Gas Guzzler]

Ultimatum X, on 16 March 2015 - 09:11 AM, said:

I don't think one LRM 5 in the head with no Artemis can be called a "lurm boat".

I forgot to add *sarcasm* to the post

[Macksheen]

Ultimatum X, on 16 March 2015 - 09:11 AM, said:

I don't think one LRM 5 in the head with no Artemis can be called a "lurm boat".

Missile dingy?

[Lily from animove]

Stefka Kerensky, on 16 March 2015 - 01:21 AM, said:

Clam pilots didn't ride IS heavies before quirks, I can assure you

lets hope they never do and get a taste of quirked IS mechs XD

[Bishop Steiner]

Macksheen, on 16 March 2015 - 09:21 AM, said:

Missile dingy?

Kayak, bro, kayak.

[Ultimax]

Gas Guzzler, on 16 March 2015 - 09:20 AM, said:

I forgot to add *sarcasm* to the post

OK, I need more coffee.

[NeoAres]

In response to OP, great job with the surface area calculation. I fully agree that the Grasshopper is properly calibrated compared to the Cataphract, despite the difference in height. However, that does not let PGI off the hook for their scaling issues. If the Grasshopper (and Cataphract) are of the proper size, then the Banshee is too small for its 25-ton heavier weight. As the pic posted on page 2 (reposted below) makes evident, although there is more "fullness" to the Banshee than the Grasshopper, I do not believe it is the ~36% greater volume it is mathematically supposed to be. That looks more like 15% greater volume at most.

[Crotch RockIt]

Looks like it's in the neighborhood of 36% greater volume to my eyes. Heck, the Banshee's legs are almost twice as thick as the Hopper's.

Edited by Crotch RockIt, 16 March 2015 - 10:34 AM.