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[Gyrok]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 March 2015 - 09:11 AM, said:

yet vehemently have fought any change to the SCR and TBR which have been demonstrably just as OP........

yup, no slant or agenda here.

Actually, they are not demonstrably OP since the last round of nerfs. If you can convince me otherwise, I will gladly join your nerf herding crusade. The problem is...the math says you are wrong.

EDIT: Besides, you do realize that the 9S pre-nerf was putting out over 5.0 sustained DPS with PP FLD weapons that required no ammo, and still puts out about 3.5

Edited by Gyrok, 30 March 2015 - 09:40 AM.

[Lily from animove]

Karl Streiger, on 30 March 2015 - 06:48 AM, said:

So what? CW isn't relevant for balancing.
The Clans invading half the IS after the CEASE fire change - and at this time the IS had the "OP" Thundergod and Wubverine.
So this argument is pure nonsense

again, why does this not count yet? it counted previously as IS was 62% vs 38% as an argument?

CW was the entire time releant.

[Bishop Steiner]

Lily from animove, on 30 March 2015 - 09:27 AM, said:

again, why does this not count yet? it counted previously as IS was 62% vs 38% as an argument?

CW was the entire time releant.

for one thing, the 62% vs 38% wasn't CW, but a random forced clan vs IS Russ pushed through.
Another, it wasn't done during a scored event, where people were farming, and thus suicide dropping and massively skewing any data.

But y'know, aside from that, it's totally apples to apples.

[Lily from animove]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 March 2015 - 09:29 AM, said:

for one thing, the 62% vs 38% wasn't CW, but a random forced clan vs IS Russ pushed through.
Another, it wasn't done during a scored event, where people were farming, and thus suicide dropping and massively skewing any data.

But y'know, aside from that, it's totally apples to apples.

how does suicide dropping give you score for the event? just stop trying to fit any argument for your side, you have not a single time been objective ever since this topic came up.

iff clanenrs would own IS now, you would totally come and say: "see proof, nerf pls."

Edited by Lily from animove, 30 March 2015 - 09:37 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Lily from animove, on 30 March 2015 - 09:37 AM, said:

how does suicide dropping give you score for the event? just stop tryign to fit any argument for your side, you have not a signle time been objective ever sicne this topic came up.

because you need 80 pts. Players in events run in guns blazing to try to milk a relatively 80 pts, then die and get into the next match. Stormcrow is still the ultimate tryhard mech for milking scores, thus more farmers, more losses on PUG matches. Same as any other event.

But I'm not surprised you either can't put the two things together or intentionally choose to remain obtuse, as you have with everything else.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 30 March 2015 - 09:40 AM.

[Gyrok]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 March 2015 - 09:39 AM, said:

because you need 80 pts. Players in events run in guns blazing to try to milk a relatively 80 pts, then die and get into the next match. Stormcrow is still the ultimate tryhard mech for milking scores, thus more farmers, more losses on PUG matches. Same as any other event.

But I'm not surprised you either can't put the two things together or intentionally choose to remain obtuse, as you have with everything else.

Being obtuse seems to be on both sides of the fences...

[Bishop Steiner]

Gyrok, on 30 March 2015 - 10:10 AM, said:

Being obtuse seems to be on both sides of the fences...

Yup, you and yours seem to be masters of it.

Putting 2 and 2 together to see the big picture......?

Well, I'll leave that for posterity to judge.

[Gyrok]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 March 2015 - 10:11 AM, said:

Yup, you and yours seem to be masters of it.

Putting 2 and 2 together to see the big picture......?

Well, I'll leave that for posterity to judge.

Your goal post moving friends are not helping Bish.

[Johnny Z]

I would have added more to this but the Omni mech pilots already lost the arguement. Prepare for less cheese in your drop deck Clan pilots.

I cant see them not adding the 20% speed decrease to Omni XL side torso loss.

This engine change and a few nerfs and the fun times of cheese filled replies will be over. Sad panda.

Edited by Johnny Z, 30 March 2015 - 10:26 AM.

[Pjwned]

Gyrok, on 30 March 2015 - 06:38 AM, said:

You still ignore Clans -44 planets over the weekend.

Of course the only possible reason for that is clans are too weak and has nothing to do with player counts in each faction and other associated factors, and who cares if that's not a consistent turnout either.

Gyrok, on 30 March 2015 - 07:55 AM, said:

By your logic, then CW is not a valid reason to use to state that Clans are OP.

So, by that premise...how can you even justify that clans are OP at all?

Except that's not the same logic, the point was that planetary conquest doesn't mean very much (unless there is a very noticeable, consistent trend, which is absolutely not the case here) when determining if things are balanced and your whole fit here is about a weekend trounce of 44 planets conquered during an event.

Edited by Pjwned, 30 March 2015 - 10:37 AM.

[Chrome Magnus]

Lily from animove, on 30 March 2015 - 09:37 AM, said:

how does suicide dropping give you score for the event? just stop trying to fit any argument for your side, you have not a single time been objective ever since this topic came up.

iff clanenrs would own IS now, you would totally come and say: "see proof, nerf pls."

I often get enough damage in my first mech alone to be sure I would get 80 points. At that point I could just DC/winidow/suicide or phone it in... I mean it's not like it's even remotely difficult to attain said goal.

I agree with the second point. Everyone min'maxes when it comes to having arguments. err, I mean conversations.

My two cents? I like the idea of a speed penalty as it just sounds logical. But 20% is too much, maybe just 10% which would effectively leave them as they were before the speed tweak. And then throw the lower tier clan mechs some better quirks.

[Khwaj]

can someone explain to me why this topic has gone so far afield? it is a simple question, should clan mechs get a bigger hit to stats when one of the ST gets taken off. I'm in the camp of yes, if I lose big chunk of my engine I should take a huge hit to my stats. But I give PGI my money so they can do the testing and make sure I'm still having fun at the end of the day.

[Bishop Steiner]

Khwaj, on 30 March 2015 - 11:11 AM, said:

can someone explain to me why this topic has gone so far afield? it is a simple question, should clan mechs get a bigger hit to stats when one of the ST gets taken off. I'm in the camp of yes, if I lose big chunk of my engine I should take a huge hit to my stats. But I give PGI my money so they can do the testing and make sure I'm still having fun at the end of the day.

because when it became obvious the OP was losing his argument, it was bring out every tangent and phantom argument imaginable to try to obscure that fact, time?

[Gyrok]

Pjwned, on 30 March 2015 - 10:31 AM, said:

Of course the only possible reason for that is clans are too weak and has nothing to do with player counts in each faction and other associated factors, and who cares if that's not a consistent turnout either.



Except that's not the same logic, the point was that planetary conquest doesn't mean very much (unless there is a very noticeable, consistent trend, which is absolutely not the case here) when determining if things are balanced and your whole fit here is about a weekend trounce of 44 planets conquered during an event.

A weekend trounce of 44 follows a week where the clans lost 20 planets over the course of the week before...so 64 planets in 10 days...
Consistent enough trend for you yet?

[Gyrok]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 March 2015 - 11:13 AM, said:

because when it became obvious the OP was losing his argument, it was bring out every tangent and phantom argument imaginable to try to obscure that fact, time?

Bishop...blanket nerfs solve nothing, and do not even accomplish the goals of most people.

If you asked someone if they felt the s*itfox was OP, what would they say? The Nopeva? The suckoner? The badder? The peacedove? The fridge? The gargamel? The baddog? The MythLynx? I would even bet you that 60% or so would say the Whale is not really OP because you sacrifice so much mobility to be a turret that crawls at a snails pace...some would even say once the TW JJ animation patch goes in, that would change the TW massively...

[Pjwned]

Gyrok, on 30 March 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

A weekend trounce of 44 follows a week where the clans lost 20 planets over the course of the week before...so 64 planets in 10 days...
Consistent enough trend for you yet?

Still not consistent or noticeable enough nor does it consider enough other factors, but I don't expect you to be able to produce enough conclusive, reliable data anyways.

Get me something more in-depth with a bigger sample size and I might be more convinced, but again I'm not expecting that to happen.

[Gyrok]

Pjwned, on 30 March 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

Still not consistent or noticeable enough nor does it consider enough other factors, but I don't expect you to be able to produce enough conclusive, reliable data anyways.

Get me something more in-depth with a bigger sample size and I might be more convinced, but again I'm not expecting that to happen.

That is an average of losing 6.4 planets per day, if the trend continues clans will be hurting in another week...

[Metus regem]

Gyrok, on 30 March 2015 - 11:47 AM, said:

That is an average of losing 6.4 planets per day, if the trend continues clans will be hurting in another week...

And just watch, the good merc units will swing back to clans, and the tables will be turned... I think Merc's have too much power in CW right now...

[Gyrok]

Metus regem, on 30 March 2015 - 11:49 AM, said:

And just watch, the good merc units will swing back to clans, and the tables will be turned... I think Merc's have too much power in CW right now...

I can totally agree with that...

[Yokaiko]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 March 2015 - 09:39 AM, said:

because you need 80 pts. Players in events run in guns blazing to try to milk a relatively 80 pts, then die and get into the next match. Stormcrow is still the ultimate tryhard mech for milking scores, thus more farmers, more losses on PUG matches. Same as any other event.

But I'm not surprised you either can't put the two things together or intentionally choose to remain obtuse, as you have with everything else.

You do know you can't death zerg CW right? You are locked out until your drop deck is free.