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[desolator777]

I don't even need to elaborate on this. EVERYONE in game is on the same page with this. Make the premade groups fight premade groups and have the public random groups fight public random groups. You know, how EVERY OTHER MODERN GAME DOES IT! Most versions of Halo do that. Starcraft II does that. I can't actually think of a game that doesn't do that.

I'm not joining some arrogant, "we're better than you" unit to have a pissing contest that make professional wrestling look civil. I am against all units/guilds/clans in every game. I absolutely refuse to join one. But guess what that means! I get to lose every single faction match. 100% of them are against some premade jerks with overpowered mechs and my random group has zero change of winning. Every single time I have the highest match score by about a lightyear but I get stuck with new people who have no idea what they're doing. Even with pros that have been playing forever, we just lost in 100 seconds to a 12 ice ferret rush. What the heck am I supposed to do about that? They're basically cheating. They're ganging up in a premade group to use some exploit strategy. Put a stop to it or there's no reason for normal people to even play the game anymore. I am not going to sit here and lose every single match because the developers can't figure out that premades should be blocked from playing PUGs.

Gee, anyone else maybe have a similar viewpoint? I wonder.

[Xetelian]

Clan war caters to the premade groups, not us pugs.

[orcrist86]

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

I don't even need to elaborate on this. EVERYONE in game is on the same page with this. Make the premade groups fight premade groups and have the public random groups fight public random groups. You know, how EVERY OTHER MODERN GAME DOES IT! Most versions of Halo do that. Starcraft II does that. I can't actually think of a game that doesn't do that.

I'm not joining some arrogant, "we're better than you" unit to have a pissing contest that make professional wrestling look civil. I am against all units/guilds/clans in every game. I absolutely refuse to join one. But guess what that means! I get to lose every single faction match. 100% of them are against some premade jerks with overpowered mechs and my random group has zero change of winning. Every single time I have the highest match score by about a lightyear but I get stuck with new people who have no idea what they're doing. Even with pros that have been playing forever, we just lost in 100 seconds to a 12 ice ferret rush. What the heck am I supposed to do about that? They're basically cheating. They're ganging up in a premade group to use some exploit strategy. Put a stop to it or there's no reason for normal people to even play the game anymore. I am not going to sit here and lose every single match because the developers can't figure out that premades should be blocked from playing PUGs.

Gee, anyone else maybe have a similar viewpoint? I wonder.

what?

[Virgil Greyson]

I was under the impression this was how the solo que worked. Not in clan warfare though, I think its open season there.

[desolator777]

Xetelian, on 27 March 2015 - 09:01 PM, said:

Clan war caters to the premade groups, not us pugs.

Great, well I'm not joining some immature group of arrogant jerks so stop putting me in matches with premades

[Lord0fHats]

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 09:13 PM, said:

Great, well I'm not joining some immature group of arrogant jerks so stop putting me in matches with premades

A rather arrogant and jerky brush you're sweeping there.

[Scurry]

Virgil Greyson, on 27 March 2015 - 09:09 PM, said:

I was under the impression this was how the solo que worked. Not in clan warfare though, I think its open season there.

I think he's talking about community warfare, given that he's talking about faction matches.

OP, to be clear, the random queue works the way you outline already. However, Community Warfare is specifically meant for clans/guilds whatnot. While there probably should be some form of MM, there aren't enough people per planet at the moment for such a system to work.

If you don't like clans and groups, stick to the solo queue. The game already caters for you.

Incidentally, I think there are bigger issues if 12 Ice Ferrets is a problem......

[Mystere]

What you call a "flaw", I call a "design feature".

This is not Halo, nor is this Starcraft. This is:

Mechwarrior

So toughen up or be left dying in the gutter.

Edited by Mystere, 27 March 2015 - 09:24 PM.

[Impyrium]

It continues to amaze me just how many people still struggle with the concept that not every game mode is going to cater for every audience.

If you hate working alongside pugs or the militias, yet refuse to join any sort of gaming group/unit, then Community Warfare is not for you.

I'm pretty sure that the groups you refuse to have any part in aren't the arrogant ones...

[Zolaz]

Hey CW is the big boy part of the pool. Either put your big boy swim trunks on or enjoy the solo queue.

[Aethon]

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

I don't even need to elaborate on this. EVERYONE in game is on the same page with this. Make the premade groups fight premade groups and have the public random groups fight public random groups. You know, how EVERY OTHER MODERN GAME DOES IT! Most versions of Halo do that. Starcraft II does that. I can't actually think of a game that doesn't do that.

I'm not joining some arrogant, "we're better than you" unit to have a pissing contest that make professional wrestling look civil. I am against all units/guilds/clans in every game. I absolutely refuse to join one. But guess what that means! I get to lose every single faction match. 100% of them are against some premade jerks with overpowered mechs and my random group has zero change of winning. Every single time I have the highest match score by about a lightyear but I get stuck with new people who have no idea what they're doing. Even with pros that have been playing forever, we just lost in 100 seconds to a 12 ice ferret rush. What the heck am I supposed to do about that? They're basically cheating. They're ganging up in a premade group to use some exploit strategy. Put a stop to it or there's no reason for normal people to even play the game anymore. I am not going to sit here and lose every single match because the developers can't figure out that premades should be blocked from playing PUGs.

Gee, anyone else maybe have a similar viewpoint? I wonder.

1. Want to play alone? Play public matches.
2. It is called COMMUNITY Warfare for a reason. Hint: It has to do with playing alongside others.
3. The whole point is to join units and take planets; this is a competitive game mode.
4. Being in a unit does not make people jerks.
5. They are not cheating; there is no 'god mode' code or anything like that.
6. Calling Ice Ferrets 'OP' tells me you have a lot to learn.

And in case you are wondering...no, I do not play CW much these days; the last CW match I played was over two weeks ago. It bores me, and does not let me play my IS mechs, so I play in the public queue most of the time.

[Johnny Z]

Couldnt care less. On the Star map let the factions do their thing. No question there is a huge push by some to divide queues and such.

Divided queues is common sense when considering new players of course. But then there should be some kind of newbie queue. Its been said that some kind of new player experience is being worked on anyway. Maybe newbie queue is in there.

Edited by Johnny Z, 27 March 2015 - 10:24 PM.

[Johnny Z]

AUSwarrior24, on 27 March 2015 - 09:36 PM, said:

It continues to amaze me just how many people still struggle with the concept that not every game mode is going to cater for every audience.

If you hate working alongside pugs or the militias, yet refuse to join any sort of gaming group/unit, then Community Warfare is not for you.

I'm pretty sure that the groups you refuse to have any part in aren't the arrogant ones...

Usually you make sense, but this I totally disagree with. They should forget making the star map cater to one play preference or another and make an awsome star map that groups can enjoy and solo players to if they are up for it.

Edited by Johnny Z, 27 March 2015 - 10:28 PM.

[desolator777]

If I sent in 12 max speed spiders (the 9.72mil build) with dual mediums and jump jets split 6 and 6 on the gates, nothing can stop that. It's an exploit. 156kph is far too fast to hit with anything reliably and it puts the spiders out of range of most weapon sets within seconds. Ice ferrets are twice as heavily armed and armored and almost as fast. You bring 12 of those and 12 assaults with SRMs wouldn't be able to stop them from blowing up a generator or two. We killed them 12-2 obviously but they took out all generators before the firepower could stop them. Assault mechs are too slow to do this effectively so it's simply cheating.

[Triordinant]

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

Gee, anyone else maybe have a similar viewpoint? I wonder.

Are you new to MWO? Here is the overview of Community Warfare and what can and can't be done about it.

[Kilo 40]

CW is broke and needs fixing.

[Kiiyor]

desolator777, on 27 March 2015 - 08:59 PM, said:

I don't even need to elaborate on this. EVERYONE in game is on the same page with this. Make the premade groups fight premade groups and have the public random groups fight public random groups. You know, how EVERY OTHER MODERN GAME DOES IT! Most versions of Halo do that. Starcraft II does that. I can't actually think of a game that doesn't do that.

I'm not joining some arrogant, "we're better than you" unit to have a pissing contest that make professional wrestling look civil. I am against all units/guilds/clans in every game. I absolutely refuse to join one. But guess what that means! I get to lose every single faction match. 100% of them are against some premade jerks with overpowered mechs and my random group has zero change of winning. Every single time I have the highest match score by about a lightyear but I get stuck with new people who have no idea what they're doing. Even with pros that have been playing forever, we just lost in 100 seconds to a 12 ice ferret rush. What the heck am I supposed to do about that? They're basically cheating. They're ganging up in a premade group to use some exploit strategy. Put a stop to it or there's no reason for normal people to even play the game anymore. I am not going to sit here and lose every single match because the developers can't figure out that premades should be blocked from playing PUGs.

Gee, anyone else maybe have a similar viewpoint? I wonder.

[RoboPatton]

Well if you like to pug in CW, this event is for YOU.

[mailin]

Simple answer to this is don't pug in CW. Otherwise, quit griping, man up, and deal with it. And speaking of arrogant and immature . . . hmm. Maybe reread your initial post, "Every single time I have the highest match score by about a lightyear . . ." and contemplate what it means to be active on the forums since March 11, 2015.

Edited by mailin, 27 March 2015 - 11:31 PM.

[Weeny Machine]

Xetelian, on 27 March 2015 - 09:01 PM, said:

Clan war caters to the premade groups, not us pugs.

True. However, it is fun to see then..1. complains about long queue times 2. PGI trying to press puggers into it (see event)3. Spending resources on a mode which caters to a small minority.