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[Fire for Effect]

Thorn Blackwell, on 01 July 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

Here is something I've been tinkering with for fun.

hey not bad looks like a bucketload of work....

rance, on 01 July 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Why can't the devs come out with a sticky saying "Here is where we are with Unseen/Reseen." I know a while back (like a couple months) there was a very short quote saying "There is no legal battle over this issue." If that's so, then where do we stand? Are the old iconics going to be Premium mechs that we pay for? Are they going to be introduced over time? It would be easy to lay these threads to rest with just a little comment. I, for one, would miss them were they not to put in an appearance...especially the Warhammer...no other mech (with the exception of Madcat/Timberwolf) says BT to me.

A very good question especially since noone here could possibly be as informed as the guy who try to make a pc-game...

Steelgrave, on 01 July 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

This artist has some reinterpretations of the Marauder that I rather like:

much better that would be something one can life with. but the other interpretation is just insidiously ugly.

[Hellgardia]

I think i actually like the Reseen Battlemaster over the normal one.

Still, i think the Reseen designs should make into the game. That way, no legal troubles would arise and we would still have those mechs.

Edited by Aniquilator6, 01 July 2012 - 10:58 PM.

[Dodger79]

Absolutetly wanting the unseen. I grew up with these designs, they actually ARE BT for me.

Reseen desgins would make MWO just another random mech-game for me.

[Steelgrave]

Aniquilator6, on 01 July 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

I think i actually like the Reseen Battlemaster over the normal one.

Still, i think the Reseen designs should make into the game. That way, no legal troubles would arise and we would still have those mechs.

That's good enough reason for me. I WANT my beloved Battlemaster.

[LtColClaymore]

but guy's one thing bothers me!

HG has this constant lawsuit thingy's going on.
but how the hell did MS managed to use some designs in Mw4 Mercenaries?
There they have the longbow in it. which really pretty much resembles an unseen longbow
ok it has alot of diffrences. but ddint HG not make one bit of fuzz about it?

love to see this on Mwo. Missle boat YES sir




Caint wait till August 7th =D!
Mw4 really became boring.. to my taste. but i played it for like well. since release and till 2006
now i cant get internet connection's with it these days still dont know why

achh heck. Mwo is to be there soon =D!

[Vaktor]

Eh they will all be redesigned anyway so I don't see it as such a big deal.

[Darklor]

Urgs, the reseen do look really horrible in most of the cases...

[Hellgardia]

The Unseens are iconic for me as well but if we have to have the Reseens so they can make into the game... so be it.

One thing that as been said a million times already and it's most likely the adopted solution will be a redesign of the unseen mechs so that they are different without losing their identity

Edited by Aniquilator6, 01 July 2012 - 11:18 PM.

[MarshmallowRampage]

From the pics they have show so far all the mechs have been reciving a bit of a redesign

[Melcyna]

Actually, why would the unseen design for the mech other than the one in the original Macross (ie: VF-1 variants and the original destroid series) be a problem?

I don't recall HG owning the license for Crusher Joe or Dougram for example, and i don't recall anyone but them making so much fuss about the use of the designs.

i LOVE Dougram so if the design for Dougram or Bigfoot can be retained in MWO, then it'd be just marvelous.

[Nacon]

Steelgrave, on 01 July 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

I don't think they are all that bad, and let's be honest, they're still a far cry better than much if not most of FASA's in-house mechs from back in the day, like this abomination:

Was this one called "Hatergonahate" Mech?

[Stormeris]

Scorpion, Unseen


Scorpion, Reseen

I prefer Reseens, except for scorpion because both are equally awesome.

[Derek Icelord]

I'm not as old school as a lot of people, and don't have any particular attachment to the original version of the unseen's art. However, looking over some of these, the reseen designs just look like crap. Overall, I voted reseen.

Griffin - I like the unseen version marginally better. My only real nitpick with the reseen art is the oversized missile pod.

Rifleman - Deinitely like the unseen better. The simple over-under autocannon barrels look much better than the 7 barrels for... whatever those are supposed to be.

Locust - Unseen is better by far (except for maybe the legs). Damn reseen art should be called a Mosquito with a snoze like that.

Warhammer - All I can say on the reseen is, "***?"

Archer - Honestly, I like the reseen art better for this one.

Stinger - The missile lapels are a bit... much. Maybe if they were LRM-5s instead, but 15s? Aside from that, I don't mind the reseen art.

Battlemaster - If it weren't for the reseen's "nipple barrels", I'd like it. The original is better, but that's my only real gripe with the reseen.

Marauder - I'll be honest, I always thought the original Marauder looked really dumb. I much prefer the reseen art for this one. Yes, you may commence the ritual heretic stoning now. Though I guess the reseen kinda makes the name Mad Cat invalid for the Timber Wolf... since it doesn't look like a Catapult with (reseen) Marauder arms now (makes a mental note for new troll material).

Shadowhawk - Aside from the oversized autocannon(?) mount on the shoulder, I like this one a bit better than the original.

Ostascout - The reseen is a marked improvement over the original... not that it was hard to do.

Ostroc - I... kinda dislike these both equally, if for different reasons. I think what killed the reseen version for me was the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle-esque 3 finger hand. Works for oversized martial artist reptiles, not for a 3 story tall walking tank.

Wasp - The reseen is better. It's the head/cockpit that kills the reseen for me.

Valkyre - Aside from the re-breather looking mask on the head, I like the reseen just a bit more.

Phoenix Hawk - Reseen all the way for me.

Wolverine - I like the reseen. The unseen is too bulky for my tastes.

Longbow - I think both are silly in equal measure.


EDIT: Why is the abbreviation for whiskey tango foxtrot censored?

Edited by Derek Icelord, 02 July 2012 - 08:21 AM.

[Derek Icelord]

LtColClaymore, on 01 July 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

but guy's one thing bothers me!

HG has this constant lawsuit thingy's going on.
but how the hell did MS managed to use some designs in Mw4 Mercenaries?
There they have the longbow in it. which really pretty much resembles an unseen longbow
ok it has alot of diffrences. but ddint HG not make one bit of fuzz about it?

Because Harmony Gold doesn't actually have a leg to stand on (i.e. they don't own the rights to the art, just its distribution in the US). They do, however, have an army of lawyers to hide behind. Their strategy involves making legal battles too expensive for many studios to contest. However, when you go up against a company like Microsoft who has a lot more money than you do...

[Hikaru]

D.I.Y.

[Lykaon]

Not sure if someone else hit on this but...

Waaay back when FASA put out Battledroids (had to change the name George Lucas fussed over the use of "droids" ) that needed giant robots so...

FASA shopped out to a Japanese plastic model kit company (forget the name and I'm to lazy to fact check right now).

Now this company granted the use of the images of several mecha for FASA's renamed Battletech game (like the rename over battledroids anyhow)

Along comes Harmony Gold who was granted the North American license rights to import a bunch of anime shows that became Robotech in the U.S.(an in doing also had the rights to the images of several unseen)

Harmony Gold did not actually jump right on FASA for copyright violations this came later.The lawsuits actually came about when FASA sued Playmates a toy company that was producing toys for exo squad and under licence from HG repackaged macross mecha.
It seems some point prior to Playmates deal with HG they were approached by FASA to make Battletech toys,Playmates declined and apparently shortly after started kicking out exo squad toys thus the FASA vs Playmates suit. (FASA vs Playmates favored Playmates but FASA was not cited for paying legal fees to Playmates so it was a soft loss)

So...Harmony Gold counter sues FASA for the use of unseen mechs this legal battle was dragging on and on (FASA had secured use rights for images but not from HG,HG claimed exclusive rights bla bla ..so on)

HG VS FASA ended in an out of court settlement .the terms of this settlement were never made public.All we know is post settlement FASA pulled all Macross related designs and all the other images/designs licenced from that Japanese model export company that I can't for the life of me remember.

So that is where we are. The fate of the unseen seem to be wraped up in that undisclosed out of court settlement.Battletech changed hands FASA to Fanpro to Catalyst and no unseen.even Catalyst's TRO 3039 lacked the reseen images of the questionable unseen.

The issue is a tangle of international copyright and licensing law and how that mystery settlement between FASA and HG effects the new license holders for Battletech.And I can't even begin to guess...

[The Crow2k]

Griffin - Reseen
Rifleman - Unseen (the reseen version wou;d be ok if they didnt screw with the characteristic arms)
Locust - Reseen
Warhammer - Reseen
Archer - Unseen
Stinger - Unseen
Battlemaster - Reseen
Marauder - Unseen (they really wrecked this one on the reseen, maybe weapon pods like the madcat would have been ok...)
Shadowhawk - Reseen
Ostscout - Reseen
Ostrock - Reseen
Wasp - Reseen
Valkyre - Reseen
Phoenix Hawk - Unseen
Wolverine - Reseen (shoulda gave it Wolverine claws on the left hand so Marvel could have a go at suing )
Longbow - Reseen (This Macross design was also semi-ripped off in Exosquad btw)

I like a mix of both. To me they really screwed up the Rifleman and Marauder redesigns tho ans took away what game them destinctive looks.

[Carl Wrede]

Undead Bane, on 01 July 2012 - 01:36 PM, said:

There is quite some talking about unseen mechs at the forums, but in most discussions it's forgotten, that some of them were "reseen". So, here i have an assembly of pictures, that show how the reseen versions look like, and a picture of an old design, to compare. Yes, i know, you can look at sarna, but it's a pain. So, here they go.

I personally like "reseen" design (i think, i've just made a "Kick me" inscription on my back with this phrase ), even though I'm a bit nostalgic about the old design. It is new, it is more modern and it still gives a unique look to the mechs. And yes, it does resembe old one a bit. So, i would be very happy, if the reseen (and re-designed by Alex) mech would make an appearance in the game. And what do you think?

That was not hard to guess considering your wording of the poll to try to get the result you wanted.

PS. Reseens are ugly and should never have been made.

[DanishHulk]

Old design, looks better no doubt about it

[Taiji]

Ripping off the style of slightly more modern anime for the reseen. Funny considering they're unseen for being ripoffs in the first place. But mostly they don't look anyway near as good.

I'd vote for doing a better job of making cool looking mechs, in a way which doesn't just make it look like the battletech universe strangely evolves alongside our modern anime industry.

Edited by Taiji, 02 July 2012 - 04:00 AM.