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[Augustus Martelus II]

Well thats why i did stop playing CW lol

And also mostly because it was metabuild Warfare.... All the same mechs with the same weapons....after a few match you still feel it will be the same.


Beautiful maps...but its finally like a normal match...just way longer to wait.

[thatrobotguy]

Honestly i think the best and quickest thing PGI could do atm would be to write code prioritizing groups to get other groups rather than pugs. Cause while my c-bills love facing pugs, i play CW to face other organized groups, not to club pugs

[Shredhead]

Fenrisulvyn, on 03 April 2015 - 10:37 PM, said:

"Its not organized groups fault you que up solo and dont work together to get yourselves "seal clubbed". Right? I mean, WE dont choose you to be there - "

Actually it IS your fault newbies are being "seal clubbed". There is a significant percentage of you that get off on thrashing newbies and pugs and then talking smack to them about it in game chat - its pathetic.

Really? So next time I get called names and what not by a solo player, I'll go and blame all solo players for his actions? Don't be ridiculous!

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And Its a wonder any of the pugs bother to log onto CW after the way they are treated. Is your self-esteem really that low?

"Hey, lets go beat up on the crippled kids and then taunt them about how buff we are!"

Keep it up and you'll be occupying barren terrain. Playing with yourselves.

I emphasized certain parts in your rant I find honestly baffling. So you play this game with the full intent to not work together with your team, and on top of it you don't even intend to get better at it? And you have the audacity to come here and ***** and cry that PGI doesn't cater to your needs?

That is your fault!

I also pointed out the possibilities provided by the community for all those players who don't want to join a unit, for whatever reasons they might have. There are public and faction specific TS servers where you can group up within minutes with random people. Getting better at the game and not using terrible mechs is on you and you alone! Using the VOIP in game and following a confident guy who speaks up to make a plan is on you and you alone!

[Sandersson Jankins]

If someone is unwilling or unable to take measures within themselves to adapt or coordinate or improve in order to have fun, they should wait until CW is something different.

I can't put it more plainly than that.

The absolute venom that certain players throw at each other because they play the game differently is absurd. Some of you solo players that caterwaul for the game to be changed to suit you would NEVER consider joining a group. Because....they're those dirty trash 12-man seal clubbing pug stompers, right? They're the BAD GUY, right?

Holy **** boys!

Most units I see field 2-3 people at a time. Are you upset at THESE groups too? Hell, these last games I was impressed at the spread in games; there would be 6 or so "united" people on one side with the same on the other, rest pugs. You guys that are repeatedly getting slammed in "12 mans" (no, I promise you that you if you played 30 games out of 40 games as pugs vs a literal 12 man, you're playing a different game than I am, try the mwo .exe next time) are probably repeatedly queueing up for the same ****** common defense planets from steiner or kurita if you're IS. I don't know what you're doing as clan to find these guys, because I'm FRR to the bone, and I'm not close to participating in 12-mans. More like 4-mans, you think that's too much?

And you group-only players that are admittedly far and above better than many solo players. Telling people "stop whining buddy, go play solo" IS NOT going to help. Well, I guess it'll help them get out of CW, which is perversely what you want. Don't we want CW to thrive and succeed? Hell, I really wanted it to be the entire game when I heard of MWO's release and the concept. Teach, educate, document, and lead the pugs! Invite them to your friends list, hell. I know you boys that "don't want to deal with unit drama" (just lol at that, you guys must attract real scum) could make a "unit" ONLY for solo players. You don't have to say a word if you want. If all you ******* want the same thing, why don't you MAKE it happen?

Or keep shoveling excrement down one another's throats. After all, you've got to win the forum argument and secure YOUR future for mechwarrior like some Maud'Dib of Battletech, right?

PS: Still seen maybe 5 instances of in-game rudeness out of hundreds. Not including proper clan-IS banter, which I love. Some of you must have thin skin, or you are indeed still playing another game than myself.

PPS: Meta mechs? My most successful dropdeck so far has included a 90kph XL engined SRM/MPL JJ "tackler" Quickdraw, a Battlemaster BLR-1S (lol@tonnage to c-bill ratio), Wolverine (with NARC ayyyyylol), and an admittedly meta-as-hell FS9. I gotta have 1/4 meta to get success. That's all. Try harder, folks, and I DO mean that. Use your noodles, your noggins, your brain-boxes.

Edited by Sandersson Jankins, 04 April 2015 - 12:17 AM.

[Sorbic]

I do agree that ideally there would be a better match maker which would pit large groups against each other and only pit puggers against smaller ones. Sadly we don't have enough people playing CW for this to work and peoples "go play solo newb" attitude doesn't help grow the population any. Of course we have to remember that it's still beta and many of these people simply like being able to rake in big/quick cash through stomps while waiting for another group.

I'll never get tired of group players calling CW hard mode. lol yeah folks, it's hm for the puggers, not you. Pull your noses out of the air.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Augustus Martelus II, on 03 April 2015 - 10:42 PM, said:

Well thats why i did stop playing CW lol

And also mostly because it was metabuild Warfare.... All the same mechs with the same weapons....after a few match you still feel it will be the same.


Beautiful maps...but its finally like a normal match...just way longer to wait.

Beautiful maps? Not really, they are all jsut basically like BF2142's Camp gibraltar...

[MechWarrior3671771]

" So next time I get called names and what not by a solo player, I'll go and blame all solo players for his actions? Don't be ridiculous!"

I said: There is a significant percentage of you that get off on thrashing newbies and pugs and then talking smack to them about it in game chat. Do you understand what I meant by "significant percentage" ?



"So you play this game with the full intent to not work together with your team, and on top of it you don't even intend to get better at it? And you have the audacity to come here and ***** and cry that PGI doesn't cater to your needs?"

Uhm, I'm on a team and we drop in CW. But I've also dropped solo into CW and have seen many examples of what I'm talking about. I've played on elite MW teams before (100+ win streaks in MW2-4) and, when we outclass others to such a degree that its not even sporting, we dial it down a notch (try out low-percentage defenses, gimp our heat, etc) to keep it interesting.

Why? Because we want the other teams to feel like fighting us isn't a total waste of their time. So they will keep coming back to fight us. So that one day, they will have invested enough time and energy in the game to really be a challenge. Keeps the game interesting.

Rolling over weaker teams gets real old real fast. At a certain point, you are just thrashing noobs to compensate for the fact you are a loser in RL. I would prefer to lose a close game than win 48-12 every single night.

Edited by Fenrisulvyn, 04 April 2015 - 11:31 AM.

[Augustus Martelus II]

LordKnightFandragon, on 04 April 2015 - 08:11 AM, said:

Beautiful maps? Not really, they are all jsut basically like BF2142's Camp gibraltar...

Well i did need to give a quality lol

[Mystere]

thatrobotguy, on 03 April 2015 - 11:21 PM, said:

Honestly i think the best and quickest thing PGI could do atm would be to write code prioritizing groups to get other groups rather than pugs. Cause while my c-bills love facing pugs, i play CW to face other organized groups, not to club pugs

But isn't that what is already happening, at least with regards to full 12-mans teams? As such, if your PUG groups finds itself facing a full 12-man, that means there are not enough 12-mans playing on your side at that time.

Edited by Mystere, 04 April 2015 - 11:50 AM.

[Bobzilla]

Mystere, on 04 April 2015 - 11:46 AM, said:

But isn't that what is already happening, at least with regards to full 12-mans teams? As such, if your PUG groups finds itself facing a full 12-man, that means there are not enough 12-mans playing on your side at that time.

I don't think there is any restrictions on CW, not even elo. And look how long it takes for matches. Not enough people are interested, and with no balance of teams in anyway (worse than solo que) it's just going to get worse.

Separate ques will make it worse for larger groups, maybe better for smaller/solo.

Like I said, not solo friendly, not enough players. Good luck with the 'team mode' that doesn't have enough teams but can fill with solo's paradox.

Best solution is to have way less planets in contention at any given time with group only. Or the number of planets available to attack/defend are directly related to the teams MM can make for that faction.

[Mystere]

Bobzilla, on 04 April 2015 - 12:18 PM, said:

I don't think there is any restrictions on CW, not even elo. And look how long it takes for matches. Not enough people are interested, and with no balance of teams in anyway (worse than solo que) it's just going to get worse.

Separate ques will make it worse for larger groups, maybe better for smaller/solo.

Like I said, not solo friendly, not enough players. Good luck with the 'team mode' that doesn't have enough teams but can fill with solo's paradox.

Best solution is to have way less planets in contention at any given time with group only. Or the number of planets available to attack/defend are directly related to the teams MM can make for that faction.

I wasn't referring to Elo at all. As far as I know, full 12-man teams get to "skip the line" and immediately get dropped when an opposing team is found.

[Stoned Prophet]

Fenrisulvyn, on 03 April 2015 - 10:37 PM, said:

"Its not organized groups fault you que up solo and dont work together to get yourselves "seal clubbed". Right? I mean, WE dont choose you to be there - "

Actually it IS your fault newbies are being "seal clubbed". There is a significant percentage of you that get off on thrashing newbies and pugs and then talking smack to them about it in game chat - its pathetic. And Its a wonder any of the pugs bother to log onto CW after the way they are treated. Is your self-esteem really that low?

"Hey, lets go beat up on the crippled kids and then taunt them about how buff we are!"

Keep it up and you'll be occupying barren terrain. Playing with yourselves.

hey you want to go into the lion's den and then cry when the lion eats you that's your fault not the lion. I look forward to the day when no pugs come to CW and even if I couldn't find a single match it would still be better then playing with pugs you can't bother to be a team. so you keep going with your victim complex where the whole world out to get you and I'll keep enjoying myself except when I play against pugs who are too stupid to learn to work together or not show up and cw

[Mystere]

Stoned Prophet, on 04 April 2015 - 12:57 PM, said:

hey you want to go into the lion's den and then cry when the lion eats you that's your fault not the lion. I look forward to the day when no pugs come to CW and even if I couldn't find a single match it would still be better then playing with pugs you can't bother to be a team. so you keep going with your victim complex where the whole world out to get you and I'll keep enjoying myself except when I play against pugs who are too stupid to learn to work together or not show up and cw

<steps out of the shadows>
Psst! There are solo players currently enjoying CW. Why do you want them gone?
<steps back into the shadows>

[Timuroslav]

People wanted a Community Warfare mode that was for the hardcore Competitive scene, while catering to the Lore and the Storyline. Russ even said it was a game mode for the dedicated Die Hard fans of Battletech and Mechwarrior to get what they wanted.
PGI said it was going to be a no ELO no bars held back. Full Throttle hardcore mode.
PUGs said "let us in we won't complain."
Pugs were let in.
Pugs Complained "it was too hard."

I feel this is actually a pretty self explanatory problem.
I feel like the PUGs go to justification for anything they want is. "We wanna do this too, but I don't want to play a teamplayer in a Team game."

In defense of them they are the majority of the players in the solo queue. So Idk. Masochism maybe?

I just get tired of "This game hates PUGS cater to me because this game is hard..."

I want to support Pugs but these complaints don't go away. Where's the line people?

They want to be Competitive in a Team game, while not acting or being a Teammate, which is what I don't understand.

Edited by Timuroslav, 04 April 2015 - 01:44 PM.

[Stoned Prophet]

Mystere, on 04 April 2015 - 01:17 PM, said:

&lt;steps out of the shadows&gt;
Psst! There are solo players currently enjoying CW. Why do you want them gone?
&lt;steps back into the shadows&gt;

if you carefully reread what I wrote I didn't say I wanted solo player gone I said I wanted solo players who can't be bothered to work as a team God. Please actually read the post before responding

[Mystere]

Stoned Prophet, on 04 April 2015 - 01:37 PM, said:

if you carefully reread what I wrote I didn't say I wanted solo player gone I said I wanted solo players who can't be bothered to work as a team God. Please actually read the post before responding

Ahem, here is an exact quote:

Stoned Prophet, on 04 April 2015 - 12:57 PM, said:

I look forward to the day when no pugs come to CW ...

If that is not what you meant, then I suggest modifying your sentence construction.

[TB Freelancer]

thatrobotguy, on 03 April 2015 - 11:21 PM, said:

Honestly i think the best and quickest thing PGI could do atm would be to write code prioritizing groups to get other groups rather than pugs. Cause while my c-bills love facing pugs, i play CW to face other organized groups, not to club pugs

Yeah but unfortunately you're in the minority on that one bud. Just look at how hard most groups fought tooth and nail to keep the pug queue from splitting using pretty much the same arguments they are using right now.

The sad truth is that most groups really just want to farm cbills and stats and will do anything they can to protect things that work in their favor. The health of the game and pugs be damned.

[Stoned Prophet]

Mystere, on 04 April 2015 - 01:43 PM, said:

Ahem, here is an exact quote:



If that is not what you meant, then I suggest modifying your sentence construction.

,ahem when you take a quote out of context by removing the second half of the sentence then you proved how foolish you are. if you do not take the sentence as a whole you were only fooling yourself it has nothing to do with what I said

[Peter von Schleier]

I exclusively pug. I face at least the same amount of pug groups in cw compared to group drops.

I even like some games against groups, as it is part of my fun to try to get pugs to beat them (light rush cant be, sadly)

Why should i leave CW as some here stated, please explain that to me?

[Mystere]

Stoned Prophet, on 04 April 2015 - 01:50 PM, said:

,ahem when you take a quote out of context by removing the second half of the sentence then you proved how foolish you are. if you do not take the sentence as a whole you were only fooling yourself it has nothing to do with what I said

As I said, sentence construction was the problem. The context tends gets lost when not properly worded.

Edited by Mystere, 04 April 2015 - 01:57 PM.