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[Capt_Kobalt]

Do somthing with the machine guns on BOTH sides there ~~~~~~
PITIFUL!

PITIFUL!

[Lightfoot]

Improved Cooling Jacket, ostensibly anyway. I guess this would be the first test Quirk the Awesome got where it just had a faster Cooling Rate that was not linked to any weapon. This allowed for a lot of different load-outs instead of forcing the same one on all Awesome variants. I guess you could link the Quirk to a weapon type like Energy, but I think balance is better and the fun factor higher when the weapon to be used is left open.

[ToxinTractor]

Some of the quirks I do like and am a fan of are:

LRM spread quirks; I feel if your going to quirk a missile system do NOT quirk it for just one missile type. (Kintaro is a AWEFUL example of this). While the other LRM quirks are awesome, this one stands one (Along with with missile speed.) I feel these quirks in general can make LRMs much more enjoyable to use or consider as a secondary weapon system.

Small laser quirks; These are just so much yes. Not only are they funny, it also makes small lasers a fun weapon to use.

Machine Gun quirks; Same thing, these are just so fun to use now with them <3

LBX 10 quirks (For IS); These quirks are always fun to use.. but a lot of there numbers are high to make it more competitive. The LBX spread quirks I find are a awesome idea. And wouldnt mind seeing them included in mechs that already have a AC quirk.

Though some thing I want to comment on that you guys should change:
Any mechs that have a + to internal HP should just get that number added to the armor by default so it clears up the quirk list. Instead we should be able to see it when we display our mechs armor.

Would also love to see some JJ quirks. This way itd let you guys test some JJ ideas with out releasing a version that may or may not be too strong.

[Triordinant]

Armor quirks are probably the easiest to do gradually.

[Vandomar]

I'm a rather big fan of

Ballistic Cooldown reduction
UAC5 Jam Chance reduction
Pretty much all Heat Generation reductions

Thanks Tina!

[Nik Kerensky]

WEAPONS QUIRKS. Please keep them in!

They really add to the flavor of each mech, and ultimately most people I see playing the game value these quirks as chassis differentiators.

[ShinobiHunter]

My Wolverine 7K's +25% torso twist rate is my most favoritest quirk ever

[At least I can shoot]

The 45% ballistic range on the SDR-5K... 1000m on two Ac/2s urghhhhhhh.

And the Lb-10x cooldown on the Centurion

[BananaBlaster]

I want to keep weapon quirks in, they're what makes each variant enjoyable in its own way.

[Hydrocarbon]

Armor quirks
General weapon quirks

Most of all...
CONSERVATIVE quirks. No more -28% this, +50% that. Give it a couple reasonable buffs/nerfs, but avoid a single OP quirk.

[KGADigger]

My favorite quirk is the the Locust-3V's quirk that makes it so you can have a 1000m+ optimal range on an ER large laser.

[Chados]

Armor and structure buffs...together.

General energy range and heat reduction.

Ballistic velocity.

[Tesunie]

Been meaning to post in this thread for a while now, but didn't have anything worth mentioning. Now I do.

I think the quirks I like best are:
- Small quirks that only do minor changes. Nothing drastic like the 30-50% quirks. I like the 5-10% quirked items. They feel more like flavor, than "must utilize" abilities. (Then, add those small quirks with the weapon modules, and you can some nice flavor, without it making (for example) an AC5 into an UAC5 with no jam chance. (Dragon, I look at you on this, even though I love you.)
- I actually am preferring (in particular IS mechs currently) the range buffs. When kept within reasonable levels, such as the Crabs modest 7.5% energy range quirk. It makes it feel slightly different and provide a bit of a variety between the 27 and the 27B (which has some nice, moderate and reasonable, energy heat generation quirks). Combined with a range module, it gives it a nice flavor, as well as a mech that can compete with clan ranges (currently). (I've been dubbing my Crab 27 and 27B as my Clan Buster designs. 27 has the long range ERLL to compete with clans, and the 27B just runs it a bit shorter range but cooler.)

We don't need drastic quirks to make a mech "viable". We should use quirks to produce flavor that doesn't dictate a given weapon/role/build to be a "must use".


Some of the health quirks (be it armor or structure) can also be nice. I personally would prefer more armor quirks, but not have it be free armor, but instead be extra armor someone can add to that location (costing appropriate tonnage). Use Structure quirks for mechs that need sections to live longer (such as the Awesome's side torsos, and the Hunchback's right hunch). Use (minor) armor quirks (that let us place more armor than normal for that weight class) to let a user decide if they want a mech (typically one known for being heavily armored, such as the Dragon, Awsome, and soon to come Wolfhound as examples) to have extra armor instead of other possible gear. (Would be a boon on some of the slower lights, and larger heavies/assaults.)

Just my opinions here of course. But you asked for them!

[CtrlAltWheee]

I love that the quirks made the hunch4G an ac20 monster. That's its thing. I'm okay with certain specialty mechs like that.

[Madrummer]

I absolutely love the ENF-4P's extra like 64 points of armor and frame and its enhanced mobility, and that it still gets a small but general ballistics enhancement "package." It makes for a very tanky 50-ton Medium 'Mech with the ability to feel less uncertain about the use of an XL Engine, and then lets you rock some heavy weaponry on the side.

believe I have maxed out armor on all components, a 250-XL Engine, an AC/20 and a Large Pulse Laser (which can be fired nigh-relentlessly by using double heat sinks). Of course I have to use both Endo Steel and Ferro Fibrous upgrades, but I find it's still pretty damn sufficient. Sometimes I drop the Ferro Fibrous off and hook up 2 AC/5s, 2-3 Medium Pulse lasers, and load the rest into ammo, but long story short, it's a tanky, well-armed, agile little son of a gun.

[KafkaSyrup]

My favorite quirk type is the 5% LRM velocity bonus. Yeah... yeah. But really, I appreciate how that quirk alone like that alone can subtly distinguish a mech and its traditional role/flavor without throwing off balance. If all quirks were kept to 1-2 positive quirks of 5% or less for generally viable mechs, it'd be great. For mechs like the Locust/Cicada, pshht yeah, throw em a bone.

[Mazzyplz]

i love the quirks for the energy weaps in the awesome and the agility quirks, the structure quirks are lackluster in comparison and should probably have gone to armor quirks intead

[xCico]

Dont change quirks.on Battlemaster and BlackJack!

[Karl Streiger]

I really like the quirks in the Executioner

(more serious - i don't like any Quirk
reasons:

• quirk should consist of "give" = perks
  
• quirk should consist of "take" = flaws

You don't give give give without taking something.

Quirks should be the icing on the cake - the difference between a pistachio Hunchback and one with hazelnut flavor

- the current quirk system is icing without flavor and more important without cake

Here the rule text:

Quote

BattleTech story and sourcebook fi ction is fi lled with descriptions
of various designs whose unique quirks aff ect their
abilities—from the Javelin and its off center of gravity that
makes it prone to falling at high speeds, to the Catapult and
its faulty jump jets that can break and increase its heat during
battle, to the Behemoth DropShip that requires two docking
collars and so on. There are also illustrations of ’Mechs that
often fall far outside the norm, such as the Stalker that plainly
doesn’t have arms, or the Jenner that has obvious diffi culty
torso twisting and so on.

However, game design and balance cannot be dictated by
fiction or illustrations. Therefore, while such fiction is fun and
believable and the wide variety of illustrations provides a wonderful
diversity, not seeing such unique quirks play out on the
field of battle—particularly when real-world vehicles provide
so many existing quirks—lessens the connection between the
universe and the game board.

Design quirks are a set of optional rules that allow players
to bring the individuality of illustrations and story and
sourcebook fiction—not to mention the uniqueness that can
result from an endless series of field patches by a resourceful
tech—to the gaming table. This section provides a series of
positive and negative quirks, each with a numerical value that
determines the relative strength or weakness of a given quirk.
As this section—like all sections in this book—is considered
advanced rules, it is strongly recommended that if a player
chooses a positive quirk for a design, he or she should give
it negative quirks of equal or greater value as well. All players
in a group should agree to the use of design quirks before
play begins, and so each playing group can decide if negative
quirks must balance positive quirks.

Edited by Karl Streiger, 04 November 2015 - 04:06 AM.

[PanzerMagier]

Very disappointed. When Deux gave the question of will we get more weapons and alternate weapon types
The reply from Russ was "we love this game, it's a complex hardcore game and we'll have to see we work on that complexions". What? Maybe I heard wrong but I didn't hear once the word "new weapons."
It's not even a remotely relevant answer.

I'm going to ask this very same question again for the next townhall. podcast "when or if will PGI consider implementing weapon varieties and/or new weapons" Quirks or NO quirks. I really think this is a nail biter for a lot of the veterans. There are plenty of canonical weapons within the respected current timeline that are available though rare and perhaps slightly faulty. But still usable and should be available.

Maybe I'm wrong, that weapon variety will upset the weapon balance completely, in case just nerf em.

Russ, skirting around the question is a double insult.

Listening to that Townhall podcast gave me a sick ugly gut wrenching flashback of the foreboding days when our overlord publishers ruled behind the curtains. Where a hand that does not care for the franchise and fans or even the developing company's reputation, merely beckoning for more cold hard maximum profit margins at absolute minimal cost.

Quirks is absolutely a blessing of a concept. One that many of us have been pleading for since open beta.
But I believe there is far too much emphasis on changing quirks to make more mechs viable than giving mechs a larger arsenal to play with thus allowing more variants to become versatile (AND VIABLE) and to enforce this as a CATALYST, quirks can be in-disposable.

Edited by PanzerMagier, 04 November 2015 - 08:03 AM.