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[Sader325]

Soy, on 22 April 2015 - 07:32 AM, said:

I really don't see the point behind putting them in the arms, losing both actuators, and now having to expose more of the mech.

For an extra punch wep that is about 500+ meters difference in proper ranging...

...and you fire them slightly slower...

...and ammo means less survivability...

...again I'm not trying to be an ass, but, there's a reason I say the build I showed you is like the famous 3D of ancient yore...

Do your thing, I've been dogging on your build for no other reason than I think mines the best cuz it is. I'll stop bugging you now.

Because I have more freedom to aim the PPC's in my arm than you do in the torso. Putting them in my torso actually hurt me more because I can't aim as far up and down. As long as I'm firing enough to get close to overheat i'm using them at their full effectiveness.

And in close range I shred, where you're stuck with just two PPCs. Because as a sniper I've come down to the last person against 5, and if you think you're outrunning people you're wrong. The point is more often than not you will find yourself in close range and when you do, you're going to wish you had 4 machineguns.

Edited by Sader325, 22 April 2015 - 07:48 AM.

[Fuggles]

ppcs in the arms of a nova makes me want to puke, its awfull, but like soy said, do your thang

[Soy]

Sader325, on 22 April 2015 - 07:47 AM, said:

Because I have more freedom to aim the PPC's in my arm than you do in the torso. Putting them in my torso actually hurt me more because I can't aim as far up and down. As long as I'm firing enough to get close to overheat i'm using them at their full effectiveness.

And in close range I shred, where you're stuck with just two PPCs. Because as a sniper I've come down to the last person against 5, and if you think you're outrunning people you're wrong. The point is more often than not you will find yourself in close range and when you do, you're going to wish you had 4 machineguns.

Well like I edited in the PS of the brief summary, it's uhh... it's really best as a CW opener in attrition fights. It is the true Clan counter to Stalker LL turrets.

So to me outrunning people, in this mech, isn't what it's for. It's for jumping 1200 meters beyond the gate and counter sniping turrets until they backpedal their way to defeat.

My Binary Nova doesn't need to outrun people, and it brawls... cuz it's like you're thinking, it needs all the punch it can get to lower TTK...

...poptarting was never about lowering TTK.

It was always, always, always about lowering damage taken. This is why we did it back in the day.

The theory goes like this, if you're exposing minimally, in a more dynamic fashion [compared in this context to a turret Stalker], you'll take less damage. So it's really about DoT with a poptart, to be honest.

Yes, yes, pin point front loaded alpha in your butt. Yus. Of ******* course. But that's the lightning. The thunder you hear the entire round is the poptarting. Melting **** down til the situation arises where it's bang bang bang, cored.

If you like to hold onto the MGs for when people play into you or for later in the round scraping kills and ****, I get that. Word to your moms, that's gravy baby, do your thang.

You wanted me to stop bugging you. Right?

Edited by Soy, 22 April 2015 - 07:55 AM.

[Sader325]

Fuggles, on 22 April 2015 - 07:48 AM, said:

ppcs in the arms of a nova makes me want to puke, its awfull, but like soy said, do your thang

Nope, its better for peaking and I've got more freedom of movement to aim.

[DONTOR]

Sader325, on 22 April 2015 - 07:54 AM, said:

Nope, its better for peaking and I've got more freedom of movement to aim.

It isnt better for peaking, but it is better for aiming (up/down). What I would do is 2 CERPPCs on one side (1 torso / 1 arm) + 2 MGs, best of both worlds... In theory.

[Soy]

Sader325, on 22 April 2015 - 07:54 AM, said:

Nope, its better for peaking and I've got more freedom of movement to aim.

Peaking, around corner, yes... but... max JJ mech not built for corner peak..!

As far as movement to aim, you're wrong. In fact, my build with them in the shoulders, with nothing in the arms, has actuators down there, and thus actually has more arm movement for precise soaking and reticle lovage.

You want some screen shots I can whip em up in like, 2 mins to show you..?

Edited by Soy, 22 April 2015 - 07:59 AM.

[0bsidion]

Since the Nova is built like the broad side of a barn, it seemed logical to me that it would do better with poking around corners than hill cresting, so I put my PPC in the arm as well. If you guys have been getting it to work with torso mounts, that's great, though surprising.

[Soy]

for Sader:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...0f1904c30149d4a

[Sader325]

http://steamcommunit...61198022674997/

Hit Watch game in my profile, and what Obsidion said. Wide Nova is better at sniping corners and the torso is only slightly higher.

[Soy]

Cmon I was expecting a joke about how I ruined the ppc quirkage in that trollbuild...

Ok, I'm spent, nothing else to say here. *drops mic, walks off stage*

[Lily from animove]

Looking at the screen, well, now if you would had some proper opponents and some propper teammates actually apble to hit and kill something, your result would not have been like that.

Uhhm cornerpopping? lol, you expose so much emch, people with aim and reaction time will simply hit you, because you have to expoase half a mech if you want to get a line of sight and line of fire.

I have a lot matches with similarresults, and most of them reveal the teammates and opponents were inable to hit stuff properly. This may also be affected by them having bad hitreg or whatever. But its mostly because the other people around you were bad.

Edited by Lily from animove, 22 April 2015 - 08:25 AM.

[Sader325]

Lily from animove, on 22 April 2015 - 08:18 AM, said:

Looking at the screen, well, now if you would had some proper opponents and some propper teammates actually apble to hit and kill something, your result would not have been like that.

"You only did good because EVERYONE ELSE WAS BAD."

Ok.

[Soy]

I just logged on and played a single round, here's the scoreboard:

Soy, on 22 April 2015 - 07:21 AM, said:

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...7e99a284178fbe2

Check the scoreboard, 4:13 time. Lets take away, say, 45 secs of that. Ok, so 3 1/2 mins of viable 'shooting' time. This build has a DPS of ~3.

580 within 3 1/2 minutes, 210 seconds................. you figure it out......

poptart sniping with ppcs is about DoT. that's why I say double down on heatsinks... ride the heat... own the heat... BE the heat... just keep poppin n tartin, ropadope..!

here i am still posting in this thread, bah.

ps - i only got hit 1x by a Victor who hit me in apex near end, hehe

Edited by Soy, 22 April 2015 - 08:25 AM.

[DONTOR]

Sader325, on 22 April 2015 - 08:06 AM, said:

http://steamcommunit...61198022674997/
Hit Watch game in my profile, and what Obsidion said. Wide Nova is better at sniping corners and the torso is only slightly higher.

When you peek a corner dont you still have to be far enough out to see your enemy? Thus exposing the same amount as if they were in the side torso.
I peek alot in my summoner with both gauss and PPC on one side while shieding with my left side as much as possible. Could you atleast try both PPCs on the right side, to try and compare, with 2 MGs in the left torso. I want to know if it would work aswell as what you are running now

[Fate 6]

Soy, on 22 April 2015 - 06:51 AM, said:

You realize no?

Since it got velocity buff.

Btw using MGs with this build is dumb, where is the ******* synergy for these weps...............ugh... put the 2 ppcs in shoulder, so you can tart properly with em, n shave off arm armor to double down on more cDHS.

Same concept as the old 3D...

I was, obviously, referring to the heat. Clearly the velocity buff is new

[Sader325]

Soy, on 22 April 2015 - 08:23 AM, said:

I just logged on and played a single round, here's the scoreboard:



Check the scoreboard, 4:13 time. Lets take away, say, 45 secs of that. Ok, so 3 1/2 mins of viable 'shooting' time. This build has a DPS of ~3.

580 within 3 1/2 minutes, 210 seconds................. you figure it out......

poptart sniping with ppcs is about DoT. that's why I say double down on heatsinks... ride the heat... own the heat... BE the heat... just keep poppin n tartin, ropadope..!

here i am still posting in this thread, bah.

ps - i only got hit 1x by a Victor who hit me in apex near end, hehe

And I literally just won a game where i ended up with 0/3000 MG ammo left and 850 damage leading the charge and getting in peoples faces.

I can do exactly what you're doing with the option of getting close and personal.

[Soy]

I don't think that a dual PPC Nova with a few MGs can lead any sort of charge against any real mechs or players, to be honest.

I promise I'll stop posting in here this time!

[Lily from animove]

Sader325, on 22 April 2015 - 08:21 AM, said:

"You only did good because EVERYONE ELSE WAS BAD."

Ok.

sry but its true, if your teammate would all have done a more decent job of like 250+ there wouldn't be much left you can shoot at. The only reason why your low dps build could rack up that amount of damage is because your teammates did not do any damage.

Edited by Lily from animove, 22 April 2015 - 08:37 AM.

[John80sk]

Soy, on 22 April 2015 - 06:51 AM, said:

You realize no?

Since it got velocity buff.

Btw using MGs with this build is dumb, where is the ******* synergy for these weps...............ugh... put the 2 ppcs in shoulder, so you can tart properly with em, n shave off arm armor to double down on more cDHS.

Same concept as the old 3D...

What I've been running. PPC's in side torso's, stripped arms and as many heat sinks as I can jam in it. It's no stormcrow, but it ain't bad either.

[Sader325]

Lily from animove, on 22 April 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

sry but its true, if your teammate would all have done a more decent job of like 250+ there wouldn't be much left you can shoot at. The only reason why your low dps build could rack up that amount of damage is because your teammates did not do any damage.

Does it change the fact that i did 1300 damage with a "low dps" build, and won? Because what you're describing doesn't make what I did easier... It makes it HARDER.

Edited by Sader325, 22 April 2015 - 08:40 AM.