176 replies to this topic

[Curccu]

Paigan, on 29 April 2015 - 12:02 AM, said:

Sorry but you are a very stupid person.
You bring NO arguments, you just say "no it isn't".
You say you are right just because you want to be right.

That is kindergarten level of discussion.

Please feel honored that I even took the time to respond.

If you check again I said "not it isn't" to your comment that said "wubhawk is very good"
You probably didn't bother reading rest of the quotes and responses to them.

PS. Had to lol to your "feel honored" comment...

Widowmaker1981, on 29 April 2015 - 01:24 AM, said:

You only cry about stalkers because thats all you see.

The only reason you only see stalkers is because people are sheep who cant think for themselves.

There are other IS assaults that are just as good, if not better.

Stop crying. Stop being a sheep. Think for yourself, Metamechs.com is not the be all and end all of what is good.

For CW Bang for Ton there really isn't another that good or better IS or Clan assault mech.

[Zolaz]

Put some Large Lasers with a targeting computer on your Timberwolf ... tada

[Widowmaker1981]

Curccu, on 29 April 2015 - 02:43 AM, said:

If you check again I said "not it isn't" to your comment that said "wubhawk is very good"
You probably didn't bother reading rest of the quotes and responses to them.

PS. Had to lol to your "feel honored" comment...

For CW Bang for Ton there really isn't another that good or better IS or Clan assault mech.

Try the Banshee out, if you know how to torso twist you'll be surprised - it keeps its firepower far longer than the stalker due to the shield arms and smaller STs. The Battlemaster-3S has more high mounted energy ports than the Stalker, and also has shield arms (though that does have pretty easy to hit hitboxes from the front). Both of these mechs are faster as well, and have better torso twist.

[Novawrecker]

Poisoner, on 28 April 2015 - 05:18 PM, said:

Its not that the mech is overpowered, but its the fact that between the Timberwolf and Direwolf, the Clans just don't have an effective mech in the tonnage range of the STK. Basically, the STK is so damn powerful because the Gargoyle and Warhawk are DOA.

You state that between the Timberwolf and Direwolf, the clans don't have an effective mech. Do you really need one? Or are you going to keep ignoring the fact that clans have easy access to a mech that's 10 lighter than the Stalker, and despite being a class category below Assault, still tanks like an Assault, dishes it out like an Assault, and is considered the most powerful mech in the game.

Cry me some more hypocrisy, please.

Widowmaker1981, on 29 April 2015 - 01:24 AM, said:

The only reason you only see stalkers is because people are sheep who cant think for themselves.

By your very definition, you just described the entire clan player base. Well done, Grand Sheep Of All *golf clap*

Edited by Novawrecker, 29 April 2015 - 03:15 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Ultimatum X, on 28 April 2015 - 05:20 PM, said:

IS was bringing TDRs, then the 9S got nerfed.

PGI opened up IS Decks to 250 tons which easily allows 2x 85 Ton Stalkers.

Guess what mech organized IS players are going to bring?

Organized or not. I can't bring what I don't own.

[Joey Tankblaster]

Widowmaker1981, on 29 April 2015 - 03:03 AM, said:

Try the Banshee out, if you know how to torso twist you'll be surprised - it keeps its firepower far longer than the stalker due to the shield arms and smaller STs. The Battlemaster-3S has more high mounted energy ports than the Stalker, and also has shield arms (though that does have pretty easy to hit hitboxes from the front). Both of these mechs are faster as well, and have better torso twist.

This.

Nerf the stalker-4N and we will come with 12 banshees or battlemasters or whatever. Basically every viable build thats been used by IS pilots to reach parity with the clans is claimed to be overquirked. 9S, u did it, 4N is underway, next one the 5SS? Never get tired of your insubstantial claims and criticism?

[Joseph Mallan]

Biggest problem I see with the 4N is the same thing that is wrong with all stalkers. limited torso twist.

[Insects]

The main problem is that I ran out of buckets to catch all the clanner tears over their 12 MEDIUM Stormcrows being beaten in an attrition fight by 12 ASSAULTS.

[Gallowglas]

Poisoner, on 28 April 2015 - 05:24 PM, said:

I don't think either of you get my post. The problem is not the Stalker. The problem is that Clans only have four good mechs and none of them weigh 85 tons.

How exactly is it a disadvantage to have amazing mechs that are 55, 65, and 75 tons which fight above their weight class?

[Blood Rose]

I think that when Clanners have access too Mechs that can blow the torso armour off a mech 15 tons heavier than them in a single volley (Streak Crow) or can move fast enough to dictate the engagement whilst mounting more firepower than most assaults and able to be configured to fight at almost any range with huge amounts of efficiency (Timberwolf) or are essentially fast moving, very well laid out, tough ECM heavies (Hellbringer) they should learn to use that famous Clan adaptability and try to think about a solution rather than cry about how ONE IS chassis is capable of sort or matching one of there chassis in a shooting match, said Clan chassis which is 15 tons lighter, faster, cooler running, far more agile and capable of actually torso twisting.

[Widowmaker1981]

Novawrecker, on 29 April 2015 - 03:09 AM, said:

By your very definition, you just described the entire clan player base. Well done, Grand Sheep Of All *golf clap*

Um, what?

No seriously, that makes no sense at all.

All Clan players are sheep? for following the masses and playing clans? despite the giganitic population imbalance AWAY from clans? or is it for using only Timbers, Hellbringer and Stormcrows? because that is based on the fact that they are empirically better than the alternatives, something which is not actually true of stalkers.

[Curccu]

Joseph Mallan, on 29 April 2015 - 03:35 AM, said:

Biggest problem I see with the 4N is the same thing that is wrong with all stalkers. limited torso twist.

3F has 85 degree twist (+skill tree bonus), which made 4N obsolete before quirks.

[Joseph Mallan]

Novawrecker, on 29 April 2015 - 03:09 AM, said:

By your very definition, you just described the entire clan player base. Well done, Grand Sheep Of All *golf clap*

Actually No. My only Stalker is teh Misery. And that is because it is the closest I can get right now to the 8S "Roughhouse" used as a Wild Boy as a memeber of teh BattleCorps. We ever get an Orion IIC I can ditch the Protector and buy the IIC for Leonidas.

Curccu, on 29 April 2015 - 04:06 AM, said:

3F has 85 degree twist (+skill tree bonus), which made 4N obsolete before quirks.

I still don't buy Mechs cause the wind started blowing on them. The wind changes a lot, and I have never been one to chase the wind.

[Ghogiel]

Curccu, on 29 April 2015 - 04:06 AM, said:

3F has 85 degree twist (+skill tree bonus), which made 4N obsolete before quirks.

And that's the only reason players were using the 3F over the other stalkers as most could all replicate the same builds (ie 4PPC etc) and the only reason that the 3F was placed high on quirk lists and the others lower.. with the 4N being lowest. It's testament to the power of quirks to change mechs ranking on tier lists.

[Sjorpha]

Kain Thul, on 28 April 2015 - 05:20 PM, said:

The biggest problem is I have to see thread after thread about it every day for no reason whatsoever.

QFT + 1 000 000 000

[Ultimax]

jlawsl, on 28 April 2015 - 09:19 PM, said:

It gets 2 more damage

Yes. Two whole, entire, points of damage – for the cost of SIX extra tons of weapons.

I think if one mech spends 30 tons on lasers and another mech spends 24 tons on lasers, that the mech that spent 30 tons doing an extra 2 points of damage is getting the worse deal.


0.12s of burn time, for an extra 90M range. Seems fair.

jlawsl, on 28 April 2015 - 09:19 PM, said:

Uh, just wondering how the heat is even close? That's 54 damage, for 33.6 heat

Smurfy's says 79.80 heat for 6x LLAS.






6x LLAS = 79.80 heat
79.80 - 20% (15.96) = 63.84 heat

How did you arrive at 33.6 heat?




SO to recap:


WHK
* Alpha hit 64% heat cap
* 10 to 10.5s to cool to 0% after alpha

STK-4N:
* Alpha hit 72% heat cap
* 13 to 13.5s to cool to 0% after alpha
(You can confirm these numbers if you watch my testing videos).


The Warhawk has 28 DHS, and the Stalker has 20 DHS.

The means the WHK has a higher heat cap, and also cools off faster.





Even when firing "half volleys" where the Stalker's quirks have the best impact (27 damage for 16.8 heat) the Warhawk's higher heat capacity & faster cooling allows it to keep pace.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 29 April 2015 - 05:50 AM.

[Widowmaker1981]

Ultimatum X, on 29 April 2015 - 05:47 AM, said:

snip

Ultimatum, comparing weapons in a vacuum and pretending people alpha 6LL stalkers when he knows damn well that they fire in 2 groups of 3.

be less biased please. You and i both know the Stalker is far superior to the Warhawk, because of hitboxes and hardpoint placement.

[InspectorG]

Poisoner, on 28 April 2015 - 05:18 PM, said:

So, lets get this straight, we do need a lot of weapon balance but for right now I think we should leave quirks alone outside of a whole reset back to square one and eliminate quirks while tweaking weapon balance. (TTK, etc)

Give the Warhawk a ST pod with 3-4 high mounted E hardpoints.

Fixed.

EZPZ

[Mirumoto Izanami]

Widowmaker1981, on 29 April 2015 - 05:53 AM, said:

Ultimatum, comparing weapons in a vacuum and pretending people alpha 6LL stalkers when he knows damn well that they fire in 2 groups of 3.

be less biased please. You and i both know the Stalker is far superior to the Warhawk, because of hitboxes and hardpoint placement.

Its like you didn't even watch the videos, where he alphas, THEN fires the weapons in half groups. Stalker hits 7 half volleys and overheats. Wubhawk hits 7 half volleys, and can still keep firing.

He even mentions the hardpoint placement is an advantage to the Stalker.

Ultimatum may be a hard IS leaning poster, but the videos addressed your shiteposting crymore antics.

Edited by Mirumoto Izanami, 29 April 2015 - 06:03 AM.

[Gyrok]

Fate 6, on 28 April 2015 - 05:23 PM, said:

What's wrong with it is that Clan players can't handle the IS being able to effectively mount a counter

Sounds like the same could be said about IS players and the TWs/SCR/s/HBRs/DWs.

Especially DWs, they are really not great at all, and so many are so stupid to stop and just stare at the sun.

DO. NOT. STARE. AT. THE. SUN.