307 replies to this topic

[Soulstrom]

Victorion, on 28 September 2015 - 10:36 AM, said:

Then you feel wrong.

That's not how Gman ranks mechs on metamechs at all.

Hardpoint numbers might be a factor, but it's rarely a very important one.



I don't really agree with this.

My BK-6R with 2x AMS and various energy builds with a BAP sitting in the middle of an Assault lance is a HUGE boon to your team.

Not only can you prevent vulnerable heavies (KGC comes to mind) from missiles spam, but you make it impossible to ECM them and ruin their composition that way too.

This is how I run mine and in Tier 3, I win far more games then I lose in the 6R.

Glad to hear someone is making them work. I will give them another pass. Thanks.

[Finn McShae]

Almond Brown, on 28 September 2015 - 10:49 AM, said:

P.S. How would a BK vs Orion 1v1 go? That may be a fairer assessment of 2 75t machines.

It would probably lose due to CT being huge (Granted, the Orion suffered the same issue when it dropped). Should that be fixed, who knows.

[Victorion]

Almond Brown, on 28 September 2015 - 10:49 AM, said:

P.S. How would a BK vs Orion 1v1 go? That may be a fairer assessment of 2 75t machines.

As someone who owns both and has played both rather extensively, it would completely depend on the map.

If the BK has any oppertunity to side peak from a building, the BK, imo, will win the fight due to damage attrition, if he or she has their BK set up right to side peak correctly.

If they get locked up into a brawl, then the Orion would probably win due to ease of applying damage and spreading it on their own chassis.

At long range in most scenarios though, I give it to the BK, due to higher alpha and ability to pick and chose when to engage.

[Gas Guzzler]

Cathy, on 28 September 2015 - 10:39 AM, said:

Because one person out of thousands is clearly right

I would agree the 6B (the best BK) is probably Tier 3. 3/5 isn't great.

[Bishop Steiner]

Victorion, on 28 September 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

Gman, who runs MetaMech's, has already stated that at least one variant is Tier 3, and the rest probably Tier 4.

It's not a tier 5 mech, and anyone who thinks it is is a moron.

Nearly as big of one who thinks tier 3-4 is good. The gap between tier 1 meta builds, and everything else is almost as great as the void between working braincells on some people on these forums.

Victorion, on 28 September 2015 - 10:36 AM, said:

Then you feel wrong.

That's not how Gman ranks mechs on metamechs at all.

Hardpoint numbers might be a factor, but it's rarely a very important one.



I don't really agree with this.

My BK-6R with 2x AMS and various energy builds with a BAP sitting in the middle of an Assault lance is a HUGE boon to your team.

Not only can you prevent vulnerable heavies (KGC comes to mind) from missiles spam, but you make it impossible to ECM them and ruin their composition that way too.

This is how I run mine and in Tier 3, I win far more games then I lose in the 6R.

The simple fact you are preaching the merits of your dual AMS build tells me all I need to know about what they you are feeling in.

Thanks for playing.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 28 September 2015 - 01:07 PM.

[LordBraxton]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 September 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

The gap between tier 1 meta builds, and everything else is almost as great as the void between working braincells on some people on these forums.

This is the real problem that has been eating MWO for 1.5+ years now

RIP BK... and almost everything else

Edited by LordBraxton, 28 September 2015 - 01:06 PM.

[COOL HANDS]

Shiven, on 30 April 2015 - 02:39 PM, said:

It's not like we have any good options right now for a 75 ton mech. (Does anyone even use the orion?)

[Victorion]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 September 2015 - 01:03 PM, said:

Nearly as big of one who thinks tier 3-4 is good. The gap between tier 1 meta builds, and everything else is almost as great as the void between working braincells on some people on these forums.



The simple fact you are preaching the merits of your dual AMS build tells me all I need to know about what they you are feeling in.

Thanks for playing.

That's fine.

I don't use it to impress pro level forum jockeys.

I use it to protect my assaults from HBK-J's and the like that can annoy and cripple slow assault players before they even make it to the front line.

So don't be surprised when I don't give a **** about your opinion on my builds.

Also I'm a Tier 3 player, so a Tier 3 mech is perfect adequate for the games I get into.

I don't think I've ever met so many elitist ****** in one gaming community in my entire life.

Also, "What they you are feeling in", can I get a translation of that please?

Edited by Victorion, 28 September 2015 - 01:21 PM.

[LordBraxton]

Victorion, on 28 September 2015 - 01:15 PM, said:

I don't think I've ever met so many elitist ****** in one gaming community in my entire life.

this is also true

[Speedy Plysitkos]

COOL HANDS, on 28 September 2015 - 01:11 PM, said:

+9000

[MechWarrior5152251]

The Crab has pincers, so that I do not have to buy the King Crab!

[Victorion]

LordBraxton, on 28 September 2015 - 01:20 PM, said:

this is also true

Yeah, like, I respect your opinion that you think the chassis is dead, because you're not going out of your way to **** on my belief that I'm having fun in it.

It's like, just the fact that I'm enjoying the chassis in a set up that hardcore pro Tier I competitive players frown upon, seems to piss off people to the point of ridicule.

Can some people just not accept that the entirety of the MWO population isn't playing in a Tier I meta with Tier I builds?

[Gas Guzzler]

Victorion, on 28 September 2015 - 01:15 PM, said:

Also, "What they you are feeling in", can I get a translation of that please?

This looks like a case of auto-correct of the phrase "What tier you are playing in"

[Victorion]

Gas Guzzler, on 28 September 2015 - 01:26 PM, said:

This looks like a case of auto-correct of the phrase "What tier you are playing in"

Ah ok.

I'm imagining he was being a douche and trying to label me as a Tier 5 underhiver or something (wouldn't mind that if I was.)

I'm Tier 3 smack dab in the middle of the avg player base, using a Tier 3 mid tier mech.

It works for me. Don't care that it doesn't work for everyone else in everyone else's play styles.

[Gas Guzzler]

Victorion, on 28 September 2015 - 01:27 PM, said:

Ah ok.

I'm imagining he was being a douche and trying to label me as a Tier 5 underhiver or something (wouldn't mind that if I was.)

I'm Tier 3 smack dab in the middle of the avg player base, using a Tier 3 mid tier mech.

It works for me. Don't care that it doesn't work for everyone else in everyone else's play styles.

The disconnect is some people want mechs that are good or really kick-ass, either in general or in a specific role, so when you have a middle of the road mech that could have been really awesome but isn't because PGI is quirk-gun-shy, people are like what the heck, there is no point to this mech, anything it can do X can do better.

Others, like yourself, are happy with a mech that blows stuff up.

When these two types of people argue about a mech, the conversation is full of mis-quotations, misunderstanding, frustration, and insults, when really, neither are wrong. They just each have different definitions of what makes a mech acceptable.

[Musashi Alexander]

I have to say, I really disliked the BK for the first 50 matches. However, it's slowly grown on me. I really like the manueverability and dexterity. I prefer mediums in general and it plays a lot like a medium when the engine is maxed out. Its CT is a bit squishy and requires careful play to preserve it. The low hard points require you to avoid ridge humping and go to the edge of the ridge instead. It can also get hot but with a bit of management it's not so bad for an all energy mech (another gripe - no ballistics or missile slots).

I wouldn't choose it if my life depended on it but it can be a fun mech to play, in part because it isn't always easy to do well.

Edited by Musashi Alexander, 28 September 2015 - 02:41 PM.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Victorion, on 28 September 2015 - 01:27 PM, said:

Ah ok.

I'm imagining he was being a douche and trying to label me as a Tier 5 underhiver or something (wouldn't mind that if I was.)

I'm Tier 3 smack dab in the middle of the avg player base, using a Tier 3 mid tier mech.

It works for me. Don't care that it doesn't work for everyone else in everyone else's play styles.

Is the BK bad? No, it's a perfectly average mech (if you want bad, pilot a Victor). But the problem is that there is pecking order in terms of quality of mechs and the BK is nowhere near the top simply because PGI is quirk shy.

A lot of players were banking on it getting really good quirks so the IS would have a 75t mech that could at least step up to a Timberwolf.

So far, the BK is not that 75t mech, and that's why jimmies are rustled.

[Bishop Steiner]

LordBraxton, on 28 September 2015 - 01:20 PM, said:

this is also true

Only if one hasn't played many games. Lots of Dbags here, yes...but compared to many game forums? We are downright docile.

[Bishop Steiner]

Victorion, on 28 September 2015 - 01:15 PM, said:

That's fine.

I don't use it to impress pro level forum jockeys.

I use it to protect my assaults from HBK-J's and the like that can annoy and cripple slow assault players before they even make it to the front line.

So don't be surprised when I don't give a **** about your opinion on my builds.

Also I'm a Tier 3 player, so a Tier 3 mech is perfect adequate for the games I get into.

I don't think I've ever met so many elitist ****** in one gaming community in my entire life.

Also, "What they you are feeling in", can I get a translation of that please?

Feel free to react how you will.

You barge in, tell everyone else they are bad and wrong, and take umbrage when the flaws of your argument are exposed. You are Tier 3. Bully for you. If you are regularly facing hordes of LRMs to the point where your dual AMS BLK is actually a benefit...it means you are regularly facing the lower tiers, because in any competent level of play LRMs have been all but extinct outside of weekend events for over a year.

Hence, you are apparently playing in and facing lower tier players. Which is the only place the BLK is "good". This is not a bad thing, or a good thing, simply a fact. The great news? You are playing in tiers where you can get away with running whatever you like. So enjoy

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 28 September 2015 - 05:31 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 28 September 2015 - 02:56 PM, said:

Is the BK bad? No, it's a perfectly average mech (if you want bad, pilot a Victor). But the problem is that there is pecking order in terms of quality of mechs and the BK is nowhere near the top simply because PGI is quirk shy.

A lot of players were banking on it getting really good quirks so the IS would have a 75t mech that could at least step up to a Timberwolf.

So far, the BK is not that 75t mech, and that's why jimmies are rustled.

Mine certainly aren't rustled. I knew it was going to be mediocre. And it is. When the best version is "Tier3" as rated by the Mighty MetaMechs (yawn)

I simply responded to this comment

SplashDown, on 28 September 2015 - 09:50 AM, said:

Perhaps you're just bad players?..ive seen players absolutly rip enemy teams apart with the Black Knight.
So maybe ya need to examin you're fits or learn to play better.

which proceeded to rustle Vic's jimmies.

I'm merely taking umbrage to his butting in and taking umbrage to my taking umbrage to this other buster taking umbrage to a conversation he was not even a part of.

As for the BLK, it's a mediocre laser vomit mech, as I knew it would be, and thus I couldn't really give to squirts of rat farts about it's place in Meta-Land.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 28 September 2015 - 03:46 PM.