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[Andi Nagasia]

so will the EbonJaguar Just be a HellBringer with a different shape?


HellBringer

FreeWeight= 28.5,
CritSpace= 46,
Upgrades= None,
JumpJets= None,
ECM= yes,


EbonJaguar

FreeWeight= 30,
CritSpace= 32,
Upgrades= Ferro & Endo,
JumpJets= None,
ECM= None,


Both seem to be similar in both HardPoints and Tonnage,
HBR though has ECM, and High Head/Torso mounts, but Low arm mounts
EBJ has High Arm mounts, but Torsos hitboxes may inflate with weapon mounts,


so what are your thoughts?

Edited by Andi Nagasia, 09 May 2015 - 03:06 PM.

[bad arcade kitty]

if it doesn't have ecm it cannot be hellbringer

[Sprouticus]

The 1.5t free makes a difference, and the high weapon mounts will make it good at protecting the legs and torsos.

The key will be the hitboxes and ability to torso twist.

[One Medic Army]

Try 23.5tons free on the HBR, 22 after ECM added.

While Ebon Jag has 28.5

(Make sure you calculate with full armor, HBR is significantly under-armored stock)

Edited by One Medic Army, 09 May 2015 - 03:06 PM.

[Devilsfury]

If its anything like they have been doing, they will fill up one whole torso on each of the new clan mechs with HS and armor to ...you know, make them extra special. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD....NOOOOOOOO!

[charov]

They mount the same engine (XL325) but the Cauldron-born has also ES+FF. The free weight difference can't be just 1.5 tons unless you haven't maxed-out the armour. The Hellbringer comes with really poor armour.

[Andi Nagasia]

One Medic Army, on 09 May 2015 - 03:05 PM, said:

Try 23.5tons free on the HBR, 22 after ECM added.

While Ebon Jag has 28.5

(Make sure you calculate with full armor, HBR is significantly under-armored stock)

Very true, but the HBRs ECM can be a substitute for abit of armor,
as LRM are useless against ECM, and ECM can help with HBR Energy Sniping,

[One Medic Army]

Andi Nagasia, on 09 May 2015 - 03:10 PM, said:

Very true, but the HBRs ECM can be a substitute for abit of armor,
as LRM are useless against ECM, and ECM can help with HBR Energy Sniping,

High mounts help with sniping too, and if you need ECM to protect you from LRMs, then you need to learn about cover.

I'd gladly take the mech with 5 more tons of weaponry any day.

[Sniper09121986]

Devilsfury, on 09 May 2015 - 03:06 PM, said:

If its anything like they have been doing, they will fill up one whole torso on each of the new clan mechs with HS and armor to ...you know, make them extra special. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD....NOOOOOOOO!

What they have been doing is replicating existing CANON loadouts as accurately as possible with in-game inventory (empty tonnage for A-pods and such). That side torso on Warhawk, if that is what you are referring to, is canon, like it or not. Besides, all the loadouts are already listed in pack description.

[Koniks]

Devilsfury, on 09 May 2015 - 03:06 PM, said:

If its anything like they have been doing, they will fill up one whole torso on each of the new clan mechs with HS and armor to ...you know, make them extra special. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD....NOOOOOOOO!

They've already posted what equipment is locked: https://mwomercs.com/wavethree#mech3

There are no locked external heat sinks.

LT: 1 armor slot, 1 structure slot
CT: 1 armor slot, 1 structure slot
RT: 1 structure slot

Both legs have 2 locked structure slots. It shouldn't be hurting for crit space any more than the SCRs or TBRs.

[Monkey Lover]

It's all about.the center shape. One of.the reasons the Stk and timbers are op. You end up having to take both sides because you can't core them.

[Talynn DeRaa]

There's only one build I can think of that the HBR can do better than the EBJ, and thats the LBX-20 6xSPL build, and even then with how finnicky the hitboxes and size of the HBR, the EBJ may be able to do it better on the single merit of how much smaller it possibly may be. Afterall, the EBJ is actually supposed to be very squat, small low-profile, kind of like a heavy version of a crab or King Crab.

However, despite that, I would equate the EBJ to being more of a slightly lighter TBR. 65 tons over 75 tons, very similar builds, but no jump jets (but JJ's have never done much good for the TBR aside from the animation exploit (which is now fixed)), it could be anybody's game. Personally, I think the EBJ will become the next tier 1 clan heavy simply for how ultimately versatile it'll be. 1 Gauss and 2 ERPPC's, all mounted in the torso, will allow for armor stripping in the arms for maximum meta-meching, and all of those weapons are above the cockpit too. Or, if you want to, you can also laser vomit with an 8 energy hard points. However, with some of the recent omnipods added for the TBR, it too can do 8 energy hard points. However, the EBJ can do 8 energy hard points -and- 2 ballistic, allowing for something like 8 small lasers accompanied by 2 UAC 5's or LBX-5's to be possible or even use the UAC2's or LBX2's if you really want to...which is actually something I'll be trying. moreover, I'll be trying 3 UAC2's with 6 or so small lasers. I've tried 3 UAC2's on the TBR in the past, and it was pretty good, up until the requirement of having jj's bolted to the mech. So this may be a return to form for me, and being able to take more ammo over space used up by heatsinks. Who knows.

And then there's what you can do with it as far as missiles go. 4x SRM4's with two LBX-5's is one possibility, or even 4 LRM 10's / 15's with a large pulse laser for maximum LRM boating.

[bad arcade kitty]

hbr is definitely a better sniper, ambusher and escort than silly jaguar simply because it has ecm

[Sader325]

Ebon Jaguar is too sexy to shoot, thats better than ECM.

[bad arcade kitty]

only if you love pig noses (:



they named the wrong mech 'boar's head'

[Andi Nagasia]

Talynn DeRaa, on 09 May 2015 - 04:19 PM, said:

There's only one build I can think of that the HBR can do better than the EBJ, and thats the LBX-20 6xSPL build, and even then with how finnicky the hitboxes and size of the HBR, the EBJ may be able to do it better on the single merit of how much smaller it possibly may be. Afterall, the EBJ is actually supposed to be very squat, small low-profile, kind of like a heavy version of a crab or King Crab.

However, despite that, I would equate the EBJ to being more of a slightly lighter TBR. 65 tons over 75 tons, very similar builds, but no jump jets (but JJ's have never done much good for the TBR aside from the animation exploit (which is now fixed)), it could be anybody's game. Personally, I think the EBJ will become the next tier 1 clan heavy simply for how ultimately versatile it'll be. 1 Gauss and 2 ERPPC's, all mounted in the torso, will allow for armor stripping in the arms for maximum meta-meching, and all of those weapons are above the cockpit too. Or, if you want to, you can also laser vomit with an 8 energy hard points. However, with some of the recent omnipods added for the TBR, it too can do 8 energy hard points. However, the EBJ can do 8 energy hard points -and- 2 ballistic, allowing for something like 8 small lasers accompanied by 2 UAC 5's or LBX-5's to be possible or even use the UAC2's or LBX2's if you really want to...which is actually something I'll be trying. moreover, I'll be trying 3 UAC2's with 6 or so small lasers. I've tried 3 UAC2's on the TBR in the past, and it was pretty good, up until the requirement of having jj's bolted to the mech. So this may be a return to form for me, and being able to take more ammo over space used up by heatsinks. Who knows.

And then there's what you can do with it as far as missiles go. 4x SRM4's with two LBX-5's is one possibility, or even 4 LRM 10's / 15's with a large pulse laser for maximum LRM boating.

1) ECM can be very useful, some times more than an extra weapon,

2) we cant know how big it will be until its released, for all we know it could be shorter than the TBR but just as big,

3) the EBJ with full armor has 28.5Tons, +2DHS to make it like the TBR, thats 26.5Tons the TBR has 27.5Tons,

i agree it could be good, but i dont think it will be game changing,

[Xetelian]

If it really comes that wide it'll suck. DOA

[Nathan Foxbane]

Best hope for Ebon Jaguar high mounts is A: Alpha configuration gives 1 ballistic in the RT and 3 energy in the LT or B: Beta configuration gives 1 energy in the RT and 2 energy in the LT. The Prime looks to have a low mount LT energy hardpoint and Charlie only has missiles in the side torsos.

[FupDup]

The Loki will mostly be obsoleted by the Cauldron, except for ECM really.

[Deathlike]

I thought this thread would talk about the Gargles Executioner being DOA.


Anyways, the Cauldron Born will serve roles that the Hellbringer didn't have, such as Lurmboat and possibly new Dual Gauss overlord of sorts.

That's about it.